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Typo in Rim Archaeology 1? #2540

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Amazinite opened this issue May 22, 2017 · 14 comments
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Typo in Rim Archaeology 1? #2540

Amazinite opened this issue May 22, 2017 · 14 comments
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@Amazinite
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https://github.com/endless-sky/endless-sky/blob/master/data/transport%20missions.txt#L997

We've heard rumors from the Quarg that an alien civilization used to exist in the Rim, a hundred of thousand years ago.

Shouldn't it be "hundreds of thousands of years ago" or "a hundred thousand years ago," because "a hundred of thousand years ago" doesn't appear to be right.

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Seems like a typo to me.

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Good catch. Fixed in 1abd93d.

The Sheragi discovered spaceflight around 100,000 years ago, about the time of the peak of the Hai empire, around the same time that the ancestors of modern humans began "banging rocks together." The Sheragi civilization survived less than a millennium after that.

The Hai discovered spaceflight about 120,000 years ago, and their civil wars stretched from about 95,000 to 90,000 years ago. 90,000 years ago, the Hai pulled back from "human" space and from the ruined worlds to the north of them, and 80,000 years ago the Wanderers moved into that northern territory.

The Korath, Saryds, Kimek, Arachi, and finally the humans, discovered spaceflight 40, 17, 14, 10, and 1 thousand years ago, respectively. Note that that means that new spacefaring species have been appearing more and more frequently in recent history, which is part of why the Archons have been having so much trouble holding things together lately.

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Amazinite commented May 22, 2017

Holy lore, Batman.

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Amazinite commented May 22, 2017

So the Unfettered are chill with telling us they discovered space flight 10 times earlier than they actually did? (One says over a million years now gone in "First Contact: Unfettered.") Aight, that's another lie detected.

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80,000 years ago the Wanderers moved into that northern territory.

Let it be known that 1 Wanderer cycle = 8 years, as in "Wanderers Conversation" they say they've been at their current location for 10,000 cycles.

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ff83158 nope

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Amazinite commented May 22, 2017

Lol, time to change my own time line.

Edit: speaking of which:

~4000 BC [6000 1HE] (Sojourner description, "Coalition: First Contact", and #2540 (comment)): The Coalition war against the Quarg begins.
~3000 BC [7000 1HE] ("Coalition: First Contact"): The three species of the Coalition successfully run the Quarg out of the Southern Arm, beginning the 6,000 years of prosperity.

From what I can tell, the Coalition-Quarg war lasted about 1,000 years.

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I didn't really bother to nail down a precise chronology back when the Hai were the only other civilization you could actually visit. But now that there are so many species interacting with each other, it's become necessary to nail down the times a bit more precisely.

I'm not sure if I should add some of that timeline and species information to the wiki, or if it'd present way too much of a spoiler for new players.

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Amazinite commented May 22, 2017

I think it might be worth putting somewhere since most of those dates can't be found via the game itself, namely when the Hai, Korath, Saryd, and Kimek discovered space travel (my dates for the latter two were off by 1000 years since the planet and ship descriptions I got them from didn't account for the 1000 year Coalition-Quarg war).

(Maybe that kind of info could even go somewhere in the game. I imagine that hanging around the Wanderers so much, we'd figure out about how long a "cycle" is in human time units.)

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Now that I have all the important dates when the civilizations invented space travel I need population numbers...

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Very roughly, I'd say:

  • Humanity: 100 B
  • Hai: 40 B
  • Wanderers: 1 B
  • Korath: 1 B (mostly the Kor Efret)
  • Saryds: 30 B
  • Kimek: 200 B
  • Arachi: 50 B
  • Pug: unknown; at least 1 B in our galaxy.
  • Quarg: unknown; > 1,000 B per complete ringworld.

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Thanks.

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Amazinite commented May 22, 2017

Remnant? Or is that a secret for now? :)
(Or are they included in the Humanity numbers?)

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EndrosG commented May 22, 2017

I think these information should be added to the wiki - mostly for reading by content creators.

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