Integration "Juice Charger Me" (Modbus/OCPP/EEBus) #3099
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Achso, da ist ein Bender-Controller drin… 😅 |
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Nach erstem Test (evcc charger): [main ] INFO 2022/04/06 08:12:25 evcc 0.89 |
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Das ist doch schon mal eine gute Grundlage. |
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Das kann ich heut Abend machen. Ich gebe Rückmeldung |
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Ergebnis bei angeschlossenem Fahrzeug und autorisiert: [main ] INFO 2022/04/06 20:10:04 evcc 0.89
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Ergebnis beim laden: [main ] INFO 2022/04/06 20:11:57 evcc 0.89 |
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[main ] INFO 2022/04/06 20:12:19 evcc 0.89 |
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Hier stimmen die Modbus Functiosn nicht. Leider sind viele Hersteller der Meinung solche Details aus ihrer Dokue weglassen zu können… |
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Also prinzipiell lädt das Auto und ich kann zwischen allen Modi wechseln |
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Fertig. Siehe #3103 |
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habe es schon beobachtet. Kommt mit dem nächsten Update? Dann kann das Thema hier geschlossen werden. Danke! |
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@robhei89 Könntest du bitte noch die Info posten wie die Freischaltung funktioniert hat oder wo man sich melden müsste dafür? Finde dazu nichst im Netz außer einen User der sagt dass für private User Modbus+OCPP geperrt sei. Danke! |
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erstmal versuchen über den Browser auf die Box zuzugreifen. Login: |
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Und dann beim Punkt Lastmanagement auf "Open Modbus..." umstellen |
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Top, danke! |
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Fehlt uns da noch ein Stück Doku? /cc @premultiply |
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Hello, Login: operator Gibt es ein anderes Passwort das funktionieren könnte? Vielen Dank und Grüße |
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Habe eine Lösung gefunden. |
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Ist der Juice Charger Me zu Empfehlen für EVCC? Sehe ich das richtig, dass die RJ45 Buchse unten frei zugänglich ist und man das Kabel einfach abstecken kann? |
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Also: Ich habe den Support ausgiebig genervt. Ergebnis war: verkauf der Wallbox und kauf einer cfos Wallbox. Einfach mal durch die Anhänge durcharbeiten. 1 Bildschirmfoto.pdf |
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Warum genau muss es ein MID Zähler sein? Normaler mit separater Kommunikation tut es nicht? Sollte mit evcc ja darstellbar sein |
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Ich habe mir auch die Juice Charger me relativ günstig gekauft. => Ich schätze ich habe auch keinen MID. |
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Klasse, vielen Dank! Das hilf mir sehr weiter. Ich denke nicht, dass das nur der Juice Support kann. Es ist ja keine große Sache das root Passwort des Ladereglers rauszufinden, die Box schreibt das ja großzügiger Weise in die Config Files (Stichwort ZIP-Passwort) beim dumpen der Config und logs auf einen USB Stick. Dann kann man vermutlich auch alles selbst einstellen. Komischer Weise geht das root Passwort zwar zum Login per SSH auf der CC613 aber nicht als manufacturer in der Web-Oberfläche. Ich muss noch rausfinden warum. Das Menü für den Zähler wurde ja leider im operator Modus ausgeblendet, aber das geht mit Sicherheit in irgendeinem Config File oder einem SSH Befehl. Ich lasse Euch es wissen, sobald ich das rausgefunden habe. Ach ja: Alle die keine Elektrofachkraft oder was nahe dran sind und wissen was sie da tun lassen das bitte sein!!!!! Wir wollen nicht, dass ihr Euch oder andere gefährdet. Bitte. Danke. Dass nach so einer Aktion die Garantie weg ist, ist klar - aber die Hardware de ME ist einfach fantastisch, der CC613 ist ein großartiger Regler und auch alles andere in der Box ist hochwertiges Material. Das Risiko ist also recht klein und wer einen Zähler einbauen kann, kann zur Not auch selbst richten.... Die Wallbox gibt es ohne Zähler aktuell bei energieloesung.de für 379 €. Den Zähler im Netz für 190 €. Das ist es mir wert, das jetzt einfach mal zu testen. Der CC613 alleine kostet ja schon mehr, wenn man ihn einzeln kauft. @b2222 --> Nein, dafür brauchst Du keinen MID Zähler. Einen Zähler brauchst Du nur, wenn Du abrechnen möchtest, nicht zur PV-Steuerung, denn die PV Steuerung macht am Ende der Laderegler zusammen mit dem Auto (Du musst eh am Ende dem Auto vertrauen, dass es nur soviel Strom zieht, wie der Regler vorgibt, aber das ist in der Praxis schon sehr zuverlässig). In meinem Fall möchte ich die Ladestation halb-öffentlich betreiben und dazu brauchst Du einen MID Zähler. Streng genommen muss sie eigentlich sogar Eichrechtkonform sein, das geht mit dem CC613 auch, aber ich hab dazu noch keine Doku gefunden. Mit dem von Juice vorgeschlagenen Zähler geht es aber nicht, man müsste einen anderen nehmen, der ist aber zu große und muss dann aber in ein externes Gehäuse, das einsehbar ist (wegen dem Public Key und dem Display), das sieht doof aus und dann musst man noch ganz viele Sigel kleben... Außerdem ist das vermutlich am Ende auch viel zu teuer. Viele Grüße, |
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Naja so großartig sind die Controller jetzt auch nicht. Und der Rest ist leider auch schon ziemlich angestaubt. Diese Controller sind halt überall drin wo Firmen ohne echtes Entwickler-Knowhow in dem Bereich Wallboxen anbieten möchten. Schön wäre wenn Bender zumindest auch die unveränderte Originalfirmware veröffentlichen würde damit man eine Chance hat zumindest halbwegs aktuelle Software zu installieren. |
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@robhei89 danke fuer seine foto. Kennst du mir bitte sagen, was fuer eine energie messunggeraet ist dort? Genaue Kennzeichnung oder Foto des Etiketts bitte. Ich weiß, es kann sein ein Carlo Gavazzi EM340...? ich also finde liste_der_kompatiblen_zaehler |
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Hi, es ist ein EM340DINAV23XS1PFB oder ein EM340DINAV23XS1PFA sollten beide gehen. Der Unterschied ist nur, dass einer beide Richtungen zählen kann, der andere nicht. Aber den A Typ bekommt man nirgends. |
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Moin, der Juice Charger Me müsste doch über die evcc configure (nicht advance) direkt funktionieren, oder? Irgendwie steuert er aber nichts. |
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@mreschka schon Neuigkeiten zum manufacturer oder zip Passwort? |
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@Jordan87 If you want the manufacturer password, first check if it is the same as the ZIP file password, by downloading the logs directly to an USB stick: The ZIP file password could also have been changed by another owner, so it's not guaranteed to be still the same as the manufacturer password. Possibly, your manufacturer password is the same as mine. I don't want to post the manufacturer password of my box in public, but you can find it with this link for three days. Will be deleted automatically after someone has viewed it, so copy it directly after opening. Remember to visit /legacy/manufacturer/manufacturer on your box with username 'manufacturer' and the password. |
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Thanks @drfisheye but already somebody have used that link. That instruction says that we should modyfy "OperatorPwd_custom" downloaded earlier with logs. Because my password is unknown and i cant download logs do you suggest to create file "OperatorPwd_custom" with my new password on my own? |
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@Jordan87 I sent my manufacturer pw to you. |
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Thanks a lot, you password was correct for manufacturer but it seems I just cleaned all setting with "Factory Reset & Reset", currently no Juice configuration on Bender module and i errors i see "Type 2 actuator stuck, cannot unlock" and all three leds are blinking :/ If somebody can share config from Operator and Manufacturer tab this could be useful for me. |
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@Jordan87 as posted somewhere else in this thread, the screenshots: |
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Hello, I just bought this charger for cheap as well. The EASTRON SDM72D-M-2-MID meter is only € 52 and should be supported as well. Or the EASTRON SDM120 for € 30 if you only need one phase. Haven't yet checked if these fit in the box. |
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I can confirm that EASTRON SDM72D-M works with Juice Charger me. I used the empty slot in the upper area of the wallbox to install the meter: I used 6 mm² cables to connect it to the connection box on the left side of the wallbox. Having failed several times I finally got this setup to work. connections:SDM72D-M MODBUS A -> Bender CC613 MODBUS A I used telephone cable to connect the meter to the charge controller (Bender CC613). meter configuration:Meter slave ID: 1 Please see manual for details: wallbox configuration (sorry, got this only in German):
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My wiring:
Best regards, |
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GND einfach weglassen. |
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Thanks DFS-90! @premultiply, as far as I know RS485 does need a common ground, like most electrical components. It's a two wire protocol where the ground is just assumed to be common; but that doesn't mean the ground doesn't exist. After all, the modbus meter has a ground terminal for a reason. If the Bender is grounded you should ground the modbus meter to the same ground. No matter if that's the PE terminal or any other ground in the box. (Unlike ethernet which uses transformers on both sides.) The RS485 protocol does have some margin for differences in ground potential, so it might just work without common ground. (Until it doesn't.) The external modbus connection on the Bender (terminal block I) does have 3 terminals, one for ground. Because the external meter might be on a distance, metering a system with a dedicated earth ground wire, so then you need to use the third wire to ground the external meter with the ground from the Bender. So it makes sense it has 3 terminals to connect a three wire modbus cable. |
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I can cofirm that it didn't work without Ground in my case. |
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I have ordered a connector for the external meter on terminal block I, because I want to use the load balancing feature. I hope I identified the right connector: |
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I haven't succeeded in getting an external load meter to work. I have connected an Eastron SDM 120 meter (single phase setup) to the I terminalblock. I programmed the Eastron for address 2, 9600 bauds, no parity and 1 stop bit. But the Bender keeps saying it's getting no data. I also connected an RS485 USB adapter to the I terminal block, to monitor the data, but I got no reading. I expected the Bender to request values from the external meter, but it is not requesting anything.. |
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off topic: Try it on your own risk: |
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My Fiat 500e hasn't arrived yet, so I can't test. But it should support Autocharge according to the EV Database and Fastned. It probably doesn't support ISO 15118. |
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I can confirm the Fiat 500e outputs a MAC address and the controllers picks up on it:
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What is the output of |
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It doesn't output much: Charge status: C |
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Sorry, should have enabled outputing the UID. This now outputs this line (changed it a bit to obfuscate): Identifier: 001823218950 Which is the MAC address without the colons (:). |
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I got an 'ALLNET ALL-WA0150N' wifi adapter, which should be supported according to the documentation, but it doesn't work. So I guess they ship that adapter with a different chip in it now. Had an old Belkin N300 high gain wifi adapter lying around which works fine, but the antenna doesn't fit in the box. So still searching for something. |
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I can recommend any of the listed Realtek Chipsets, I bought sticks that are built with them.
In general, this list seems to be quite a good base: |
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I can confirm a RTL-8192CU based wifi adapter works fine. My ALLNET ALL-WA0150N adapter based on the MediaTek MT7601UN doesn't work, eventhough it is on the list. |
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I can confirm that, too. I ordered another Wifi adapter (BIGtec 150Mbit slim USB WLAN Mimo Wireless Stick) which is based on a Ralink RT3070 chipset. Works perfectly "out of the box". |
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My RTL-8192CU based stick kept loosing the connection after a while. It would work for half a day or so and then fall of and not coming back without a reboot. I had an old tplink travel router laying around that fits in the box. It connects to the Ethernet of the controller and takes USB power, so no reliance on the Linux wifi drivers anymore. Has been stable and fast so far. |
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My Wifi adapter (BIGtec 150Mbit slim USB WLAN Mimo Wireless Stick) which is based on a Ralink RT3070 chipset still works fine. No connection losses up to now. If your wallbox is mounted in a protected environment (e. g. garage), it might be a good idea to use a USB extension (for example this one) in order to improve wifi reception. |
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The controller, which is build into the juice charger, has no external RS-485 interface. |
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You are showing the manual for the internal meter, on Slave ID 1. But I want to add an external meter for the load balancing feature, which uses Slave ID 2. However as it turns out, the CC613_ELPR variant of this controller that's in the Juice Charger Me doesn't actually have the silicon for the second meter, even though it has the physicial connector and all the software. |
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Just for reference: I got a meter connected for the load balancing feature of the Bender controller, using the optocoupler input. Look at the wiring schema here: So tap off the 12 volt '+' power supply of the charger and route it to the '+' of S0 meter. Route the '-' of the S0 meter to the Optocoupler In+ of the controller. And route the Optocoupler In- of the controller to the '-' of the 12V charger power supply. Configure the controller to use the S0 meter as second meter. I got the 4P DMFC '1790124' connector for the B terminal block of the charger here: https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/1005005980421246.html?spm=a2g0o.new_account_index.0.0.b1cca3beFseEuh&gatewayAdapt=glo2nld For metering, the cheapest version of the Eastron SDM120 will do. This is of course only for single phase applications. |
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Unfortunately, load balancing with the S0 meter input turns out to be pretty useless. The controller assumes the measured load is spread equally over three phases. So for a single phase system (and single phase house) it compensates for a load three times lower than it is. |
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Yes ist is. S0 is completly outdated. |
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Yes, S0 outdated and crude. But configuring the pulses per kwh to 333 on the controller instead of the 1000 the meter applies, thereby effectively multiplying the value by 3, compensating the division by 3 by the controller, it works good enough for preventing blowing my house's main fuse. :-) |
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Hi, I am interested in this wallbox. According to Bender support, the car should deliver useful values here. As I understand the car should send how much kWh it needs to be fully charged. |
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The settings |
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@Jordan87 Which firmware version do you use? Do you reduced the logging in the controller? The logging is filling up the file system of the controller and then the controller crashes. I will try to test ISO 15118 with a other car. My Tesla does not support ISO 15118... |
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Juice Charger me is supporting only 22kW AC so afaik CCS/fast charging is not supported on it.
Now I cant connect to controller not even for short moment after power reset. I think there was only standard logging level enabled. |
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The default log level is "debug" ebee Wiki I had this error too with this log level. Sometimes the webinterface was not responding, sometimes it took a few minutes for a respond. Here are the commands from their KB the juice support gave me: I used the root access... Probably the fix for me was a newer firmware that the juice support sent to me (5.32.1). This release does not work with J+ |
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In my case Juice support already tried remote support session and have confirmed that there is problem with my controller (we are unable to connect or ping device) and they have to replace/fix it but its over a week and they still didnt responded if I just have to wait or send my controller first... From Juice support email: |
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Hi,
I just tried with my BMW i5 which should support ISO communication – I activated ISO, got certificates after reboot, ISO status of Wallbox looks good, but the communication does not start. Session state remains inactive and reading 713 always gives 0. The state in register 740 (15118 Smart vehicle detected) and following ID are all zero, too.
But I do not have any charging contract in my car – maybe it deactivates ISO communication to AC Wallboxes in this case.
Bender Version: 5.20.0-12975
Status of Bender shows this in the 2.0 Webfrontend overview:
ISO 15118
15118 Fahrzeuginfo.
Name Wert Beschreibung
Sitzungs-Status Inaktiv Zeigt an ob die Session aktiv ist, inaktiv, pausiert oder beendet.
Cheers,
Markus
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Hi, I am interested in this wallbox.
Did anyone read out this register:
713 EV Required Energy(Wh)
According to Bender support, the car should deliver useful values here.
Can anyone please confirm this and share the experience with this value?
As I understand the car should send how much kWh it needs to be fully charged.
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Ich habe eine freigeschaltete "Juice Charger Me" Wallbox und zugriff auf alle notwendigen Parameter der Wallbox. Die Dokumentation habe ich aus der WB ausgelesen. Mit openHAB habe ich bereits die Stufenweise Erhöhung des Ladestroms von 6A auf 16A über Modbus erfolgreich getestet.
Die WB bietet bei Modbus 3 unterschiedliche Register-Sätze an (Phoenix, TQ-DM100 sowie Open Modbus Charge Control Interface OMCCI). Registertabellen sind beigefügt.
Die Integration über Custom habe ich noch nicht hinbekommen. Eventuell helfen ja die Dokumente um eine Implementierung zu erstellen?
OCPP-Paramter-Dokumentation.pdf
Fehlerdokumentation.pdf
Modbus TCP-Slave Register.pdf
Auszug-Lastmanagement.pdf
REST-Protokoll-Parameternamen.pdf
OCPP-Parameter-Zuordnung.pdf
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