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MAPK cascade- Signaling Project #1592

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ukemi opened this issue Jul 11, 2017 · 19 comments
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MAPK cascade- Signaling Project #1592

ukemi opened this issue Jul 11, 2017 · 19 comments

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@ukemi
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ukemi commented Jul 11, 2017

Google spreadsheet of annotations to genes annotated to the MAPK cascade:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/198q2DtHRmzbXa9icUIu30DoaRjwKKQkCROfE1KsoO6I/edit#gid=1361703775

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ValWood commented Jul 17, 2017

mapk

This is the "PomCam" (automatically generated from GO annotation) model of the 3
MAP kinase pathways today.
If you connect the MF's up correctly, the models resolve themselves without requiring Noctua

Our next step for the network generating work is to have more labelling so that you can see what the actual gene products, activities and relations are...

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Can you colour the nodes according to annotation to a specific GO pathway?

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ValWood commented Sep 26, 2017

Hi @RLovering I put some notes on this in a ticket if you are interested pombase/curation#1699

Can answer questions at the meeting...

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@hattrill
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Hi @ukemi @sabrinatoro
I know there was discussion on the role of MAPK scaffolding proteins at the GOC meeting, but I am not sure if any firm conclusion was reached wrt regulation vs within pathway.
Can you advise?
Thanks.

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

I think the conclusion was, that @ukemi thinks they are regulators and I don't ;) ...I think they are part of pathway, because they are effectively a 'complex' with the MAPK'/K/Ks.

They prevent "incorrect signal flow" it prevents cross-talk signaling but I'm not convinced that they regulate pathway choice.... because the complex exists before the pathway is 'activated'.

.....But, I'm happy to annotate them as "regulators" if that is the consensus.

@hattrill
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Hmmm.....then there is only one way to decide - an arm wrestling contest!

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hattrill commented May 31, 2018

Just to completely trash this ticket with side-issues - did anyone define where Ras signaling ends? I have annotations to ksr to Ras protein signal transduction. This applies to older papers when the assays are essentially looking at genetic interactions. Before I move them and get UniProt to chip in, I'd like to be sure.

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Based on the publications, the scaffold protein is necessary to bring the MAPKinases together. You can look at it as a protein which assemble the complex, but is not really part of that complex. David and I agreed that it regulates the pathway. (I am not sure what the 'latest' correct relation is: directly_activates, or directly positively regulates,...)
However, it is GO, so we can review the publications and discuss this during one of our calls...

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

Hmmm.....then there is only one way to decide - an arm wrestling contest!

I'll put that down for the Cambridge Montreal meeting...

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

but is not really part of that complex.

I thought it was...why is that?

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

OK I just found this.

Abstract
The scaffold proteins of signaling pathways are thought to act as passive tethering devices bringing together catalytic components of signaling cascades. Good et al. (2009) now reveal that in the budding yeast the scaffold protein Ste5 acts as an allosteric activator of the mitogen-activated protein kinase Fus3, rendering it competent to be a kinase substrate for signal transmission.

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The Ste5 scaffold directs mating signaling by catalytically unlocking the Fus3 MAP kinase for activation. [Cell. 2009]
PMID: 19303841

So in this case it is regulating the pathway.
But passive tethering devices/scaffolds are not generally "regulators".

This would need a separate annotation IMHO
under "enzyme regulator activity". It isn't a scaffold activity.....

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ukemi commented May 31, 2018

There are other cases/experiments like this one.

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

My expert thinks it is "part of the pathway":

I would argue that it is a bit of both. It is a physical component of the pathway, thus a.

It is and is not an upstream regulator. The scaffold holds the various kinases (KKK, KK and K) together into a signaling complex. Loss of the scaffold would therefore lead to loss of signaling.

Is it upstream? Yes, in the a mutation that activates a MAPK would suppress the loss of the scaffold.
No, in that a mutation that activates the MAPKKK or MAPKK would not suppress the loss of the scaffold, since you would still have a defect in signaling to the MAPK.

Charlie

On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 11:50 AM, Valerie Wood vw253@cam.ac.uk wrote:

A quick  (hopefully) question.

Is a MAPK scaffold

a) 'part' of the MAPK signaling pathway

b)  an 'upstream regulator' of a MAPK signalling pathway?

Val

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ValWood commented May 31, 2018

So here is my take on this.

  1. The scaffold is part of the pathway.

  2. The scaffold has another function as an direct upstream regulator (always or sometimes?).

I would have annotated for the example above

  1. MAPK scaffold activity part_of MAPK signalling pathway has_input MAPKKK, MAPKK,MAPK

AND

  1. enzyme regulator activity (or more specific child) has_direct_input MAPK (In the above eg) part_of MAPK signalling pathway
    (because here, it is acting as a canonical allosteric activator and this is separable from its scaffold activity)

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hattrill commented Jun 1, 2018

That's a good point about the enzyme reg function, as it certainly isn't just a passive scaffold.
I think that for now I will go with "part of", to distinguish it from casual (not causal!) interlopers that modulate the cascade.
(But happy to yield)

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pgaudet commented Jan 31, 2024

Looks like the suggestions here were all implemented. MAPK annotations have been reviewed for the 2023/2024 signaling cascade project:
#4930
#4929
#4928
#4865

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pfey03 commented Feb 1, 2024

@ukemi
is it GO:0000165 MAPK cascade? I'm agains obsoleting this term.
Explain exactly what terms are obsoleted? or in discussion?
OK, when I see the tickets linked from @pgaudet then I'm not concerned

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pgaudet commented Feb 1, 2024

To clarify: GO:0000165 MAPK cascade is not being obsoleted

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pfey03 commented Feb 1, 2024

Thanks @pgaudet

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