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Hi @kjustie I dont have one to test with! If you can send me the relevant debug output from the plugin perhaps I can put something together but otherwise not really an ETA |
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Yes, cameras are enabled. In Home app (Mac and iPhone), OUTDOOR cameras (2) appear along with the INDOOR ones, but instead of showing the actual camera view the OUTDOOR ones only show the "no response" icon. RE the debug documentation link you sent: It first says to add debug:true to the config, but that's already there as a result of turning it on in the plugin's config. It then refers to https://github.com/homebridge/homebridge-raspbian-image/wiki/How-To-Enable-Debug-or-Insecure-Mode, but my Homebridge UI settings screen doesn't include the Startup Option section shown in the screen shot on that page -- perhaps because it's for the Raspberry Pi version, but I'm running it on a Mac? I have only "Network" and "Reset" sections in my Homebridge UI settings, no debug option. Also tried "homebridge -D" in Terminal but that didn't appear to give anything additional for the OUTDOOR cameras in the log either. So... ? But what I am seeing now, with debug turned on in the plugin, is a chunk like the following for each INDOOR camera: [Garage] The image snapshot handler for the given accessory is slow to respond! See https://git.io/JtMGR for more info. I also now noticed that while the INDOOR cameras do initially display single frames in the Home app (normal), updating them every 30 seconds or so, if I click or tap on one of them, it never goes to a live view: spins for a while, then says "no response." I'm running Homebridge on an old and very slow Mac mini, so maybe this is a result of the "accessory is slow to respond" log notation? (And again, the OUTDOOR cameras show "no response" all the time in Home app. All cameras do work fine in the SimpliSafe app.) And now wondering if the slowness of my system is perhaps related to the OUTDOOR cameras not working in your plugin. Presumably to preserve battery life, they appear to be more "asleep" when not in use than are INDOOR cameras. In the SimpliSafe app, INDOOR cameras show "Connecting" for a couple seconds then display the live view. OUTDOOR cameras, on the other hand, always display "Waking up the camera" first, and then "Connecting," before going to live view. Sometimes this goes as quickly as for an INDOOR camera, but more often it takes 3-4 times as long, up to 10 seconds. And not infrequently, it takes even longer, displaying a third message, "Launching live view" before going live. So perhaps the fact that OUTDOOR cameras are not always fully on is why single frames don't appear in Home app as they do for INDOOR ones, and then the combination of their slow wake-up time and my slow Homebridge server results in the plugin giving up waiting for a response? Maybe your comment that "I'm surprised that it doesnt just work as is" is accurate and the problem lies entirely in my system. As I said, I'm happy to do any additional testing/debugging that you might find helpful -- other than being able to run it on a faster system! |
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Yea this might be hard to do without an actual camera to test.
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Yes, on latest Config UI X (4.41.2). (Not on latest node.js (12.x) but on a version good until 4/2022 according to documentation.) The second log that I sent ("slow to respond" etc.) was what each camera generated at Homebridge restart. I subsequently tried viewing a camera in Home app -- which results in "no response" -- and got the same log content, if that's relevant. Those log entries are the only additional entries that appear with debugging on in the plugin; definitely not what I would consider "tons of output." But I'm still confused about turning it on at command line. If, with Homebridge running, I do "homebridge -D" (absent the option in Config UI X), should that restart it in debug mode? Terminal output includes the QR code and a "sigterm," but does not show everything that typically appears in the Config UI X log window following a restart done using the restart option within Config UI X. And, with that same command line-generated restart, Config UI X log window doesn't show any of the normal restart entries; it looks as if nothing happened. So is Homebridge really in the "debug" mode you're looking for when I do that? Is the restart that "homebridge -D" does not as "complete" as stopping it first and then starting it? And if so, how do I stop homebridge first? (Sorry if I'm being dense on this. Have some Unix / Terminal experience; more than beginner, but definitely not expert.) |
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If you have homebridge installed as a service with When you stream cameras, with debug fully enabled, there should be a whole lot of output, e.g. #126 (comment) not to mention more output from other things. |
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Definitely not seeing anything in the log like what's in that link in your second paragraph. Your comment about restarting not helping definitely seems to describe what's happening. Tried to quit HomeBridge in Activity Monitor, but it starts back up again (further confirm it's running as a service?). So again, is there a way -- command line or otherwise -- to stop the Homebridge service, so that I can then start it -- from scratch -- with -D option? I installed per this page -- https://github.com/homebridge/homebridge/wiki/Install-Homebridge-on-macOS -- which says it's being installed as a service, and it does start at boot. Yet when I try to update node.js per the MacOS instructions on this page -- https://github.com/homebridge/homebridge/wiki/How-To-Update-Node.js -- it says it can't because "Non-standard installation path detected" (which is why I'm still on the older node.js). So clearly something is out of whack on my system (though it works fine other than these cameras), and I'll likely wait until I can start from scratch with a new install on a newer Mac rather than trying to figure out what's wrong with the current setup. |
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I just got the outdoor camera too and am interested in helping to get this setup. I am running HOOBS on a RP4. I can get in to the terminal no problem, but I'm having a hard time figuring out how to start the SimpliSafe plugin in debug mode... I can start and stop it via the hoobs CLI, but adding the -d flag doesn't seem to change the output in the standard log... Little help? I'm fairly comfortable tinkering around in the terminal... |
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Was there any update on this? I bought that outdoor camera as well and am getting the same thing. I was hoping once i added it to my simplysafe account it would work since my other cameras are already showing but the outdoor camera is just giving a no response error. |
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Sorry, again, I don’t have one to test with and there seems to be something different about the outdoor cam. FWIW the plug-in was updated to have an easier way to enable full debug logs (now you just change the plug-in setting, don’t need to change Homebridge setting). If someone can send me a full log from startup through when they start trying to stream the outdoor camera I can take a look but without being able to actually try it out I’m not sure how much I can do. |
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@shamoon, I'm also having an issue with outdoor camera. Here's the error I'm getting when attempting to view the camera on Homekit. [11/5/2021, 3:21:58 PM] [Home Alarm] libavutil 56. 51.100 / 56. 51.100 [11/5/2021, 3:21:58 PM] [Home Alarm] [https @ 0x3eea260] No trailing CRLF found in HTTP header. Adding it. [11/5/2021, 3:21:58 PM] [Home Alarm] [https @ 0x3eea260] HTTP error 404 Not Found [11/5/2021, 3:21:58 PM] [Home Alarm] https://3.210.93.210/v1/752ada1eddca4313b7f8407bf1003eff/flv?x=1280&audioEncoding=AAC: Server returned 404 Not Found [11/5/2021, 3:21:58 PM] [Home Alarm] Error: FFmpeg exited with code 1` |
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Again, its incredibly difficult for me to sort this out without one of those cameras to test with. If someone wants to look in the SS web application what the URL is for video, perhaps the format is different. E.g. when I play a video on the website my browser streams from https://media.simplisafe.com/v1/xxxxx/flv?x=944&audioEncoding=AAC , I'd like someone to copy and paste the URL used for the outdoor cameras. Not sure that'll help much but again, I dont really have a way to look into this myself. |
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Here's the browser request for the outdoor cameras: Summary Request |
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Thanks for that. Well it confirms my hunch which is that those cameras use a different format than the old ones. The old cameras streamed in an flv container and though I cant tell what the new ones use from the URL it could be different (or just a different URL scheme I suppose). It also pretty much guarantees I wont be able to get this working without one to test, terribly sorry everyone. Obviously open to help from anyone on this. One thing if someone wants to help me out so I can at least have the plugin warn users about this, if someone can copy / paste the log output (with debug enabled) when you startup the plugin for these cameras. It would start with |
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Hi all, for anyone interested in helping, this could be useful to figure out the issue:
According to above the outdoor cams may use a different URL scheme. The above 2 pieces of info might help figure it out. |
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It appears Simplisafe is using Amazon Kinesis Video Streaming. the URL structure is complete different and points to Kinesis servers. So at this point, I am unsure how to get you the proper camera stream URL. But here is the log output: [1/11/2022, 10:46:48 PM] [Home Alarm] { |
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Thanks a lot. Can you provide the URL that you see when streaming via web app for that same camera? It should be visible in browser network tab when you start playback. |
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There are two Live View URL calls, one with request code GET, one with request code OPTIONS: https://app-hub.prd.aser.simplisafe.com/v1/cameras/79b3dba30e7240b1911a00f9f1017eef/1103818/live-view I also see a URL calling out to Amazon Kinesis videos streaming servers. I'd prefer not to post that publically, but I can email that to you if that would be helpful. |
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I briefly looked at this, it's using AWS Kinesis with a web socket stream. As far as I can tell, ffmpeg does not support a web socket input, so I think the solution is going to be more involved. I'm not familiar with Kinesis really, but it looks like it does support HLS streams, so that could work, but I'm doubtful we'll be able to get that from what Simplisafe is providing with the proper authentication to AWS. |
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Ah bummer, thanks for the update. Yea sounds like will need more work than a quick fix so not much I can do without one of them in hand. Again, open to PRs of course if someone figures it out. |
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I am posting this here for potential future collaboration, but still not sure this will be possible. Also, I still cant test =/ As @dbeard said we would likely be limited to WebSocket streams as opposed to HLS (we dont have AWS keys). My guess is SS are providing the wss stream URL using something like https://github.com/awslabs/amazon-kinesis-video-streams-webrtc-sdk-js/blob/master/README.md#class-sigv4requestsigner . It could be helpful to see the content of the |
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@shamoon Are you in the states? I recently moved and purchased an extra outdoor camera for the new house... I'd be willing to mail it to you (on loan ;) ) if that would help? |
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Appreciate that but loan wouldn't make sense, I would need to have one for testing on an ongoing basis for when things inevitably break. Also I'm not comfortable accepting money (/things). But I don't really have the need for one right now and frankly I expect this is going to be challenging to implement (but maybe it wouldn't, hard to say). |
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Spent a little bit of time looking at this - I'm thinking this library could possibly work if you take the webrtc info from the https://github.com/versatica/mediasoup They provide some examples of taking a transport stream and piping it into ffmpeg. One thing I'm realizing is that this is having to negotiate a P2P connection every time, so no matter what we do, I think there will be a higher delay than what we've seen with the other cameras. My knowledge of WebRTC is basically nothing, so just sharing progress |
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Which is a super bummer - the delay is already so long to wake up the cameras |
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Is the wss stream actually Dynamic Adaptive Streaming over HTTP (DASH)? https://aws.amazon.com/kinesis/video-streams/faqs/ |
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Just ordered camera and have RPi4 with homebridge. Tracking conversation. |
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I just got the outdoor cam today and have it all connected and as noted previously several times I just get a camera with line thru it and a No Response message w/in Home app. Below is the error text that displays in Homebridge. |
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Thanks, @shamoon for all the work you are putting into this. I know you told @benregan that you weren't all that comfortable with accepting money/things from people, but I insist! The Lord has blessed me with more than I need. If I were to buy you an outdoor camera and have it shipped to your house (or I just Venmo'd you the money for you to purchase your own), about how long do you think you'll need to make something work? I'd be glad to invest in your skills and buy you a camera. It'll help me and a lot of other people too. Thanks again. |
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I do appreciate that but it's not really on the table at the moment. Maybe with a little info here there's someone out there with the ability to take this further. Also, my understanding is the outdoor cams are super slow which honestly makes me wonder how useful this would truly be. One would be trying to get a stream from a [slow] device to aws, down to homebridge to be somehow converted then streamed via ffmpeg finally to a client via HomeKit. Doesn't really sound like a great recipe for a good end-user experience, but again, who knows... |
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It would be valuable to even just get the motion detection signal.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 1, 2023, at 11:07 PM, shamoon ***@***.***> wrote:
I do appreciate that but it's not really on the table at the moment. Maybe with a little info here there's someone out there with the ability to take this further.
Also, my understanding is the outdoor cams are super slow which honestly makes me wonder how useful this would truly be. One would be trying to get a stream from a [slow] device to aws, down to homebridge to be somehow converted then streamed via ffmpeg finally to a client via HomeKit. Doesn't really sound like a great recipe for a good end-user experience, but again, who knows...
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Streaming has nothing to do with motion detection (well, with respect to this topic). At least for all of the other cameras, motion detection is passed via their websocket stream, I would be surprised to learn that the outdoor cams do that differently as well. |
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Maybe interjected where I should not have - all I was trying to say even if a plugin that supporter outdoor cam only supported motion detection that would still be of value.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 1, 2023, at 11:36 PM, shamoon ***@***.***> wrote:
Streaming has nothing to do with motion detection (well, with respect to this topic). At least for all of the other cameras, motion detection is passed via their websocket stream, I would be surprised to learn that the outdoor cams do that differently as well.
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Motion works for me on my outdoor cam. I'd love to have video too but having the motion at least allows me to have the lights turn on when someone pulls in the driveway. I just hooked it up last week...and I have to agree, the video speed is disappointing and would probably be a bad user experience even if there was a way to get it working through homebridge. |
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For what it's worth, I'm a developer with an outdoor camera. I'd be willing to explore creating this functionality and support. |
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That's worth a lot! That would be awesome! |
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Any Update on this one? |
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I'd be more than willing to help beta test if it gets that far. Not having the outdoor camera integration is a huge paint point as that's how I protect the outside of my property. The doorbell cam integration is awesome but I'd rather see who's approaching before they get to the door. |
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Chiming in here with a suggestion. Someone mentioned poor performance via a complex solution given the cloud based nature of the cameras. Honestly. Even 10fps would be kinda useful. |
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Not an expert on WebRTC, but based on my initial findings several years ago, it's not about poor performance, but about making any implementation work period. These cameras technically work in a way that is fundamentally different from the old ones and it would not be trivial to implement a solution for (WebRTC -> RTSP). It's unfortunate that SimpliSafe doesn't offer a true API. |
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Man, I feel like a moron trying to decide this convo. But I am in search of whether it’s possible to stream my SS indie cam via your plug in? I get notifications with images but when I go to stream it in home I get the attached. I feel like that’s the crux of the cinco but can’t fully tell… |
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Indoor cams are supported. Not sure if the new indoor cam is supported just yet though. |
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Agreed. Think of the use case. I want to be able to see who or what is
approaching the camera. I’m not filming to make quality cinema.
I mean the better the quality the better the court case goes I guess if it
came to that but something like 10ths would be just fine for the vast
majority of uses I would think. Definitely true for me.
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Seconded. I’m dumping Arlo and moving over to the Simplisafe cams. Support is MUCH better than a year ago when I got my system and now I feel like I can actually use them. However I’d love to tie them into HomeKit and reap the benefits of triggered recording and better notifications than what the SimpliSafe app offers. |
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I have some information that may be useful. I have an outdoor camera named "Back Yard". When motion is detected, the following event comes via websocket: {
"id": "id:37774838924",
"time": "2023-12-08T23:06:12.000Z",
"type": "com.simplisafe.event.standard",
"source": "messagequeue",
"specversion": "1.0",
"datacontenttype": "application/json",
"data": {
"eventUuid": "60a9f380961e11ee8e9ef851281b6abd",
"eventTimestamp": 1702076772,
"eventCid": 1170,
"zoneCid": "1",
"sensorType": 17,
"sensorSerial": "f11b6abd",
"account": "00499ff8",
"userId": 5913258,
"sid": 6720379,
"info": "\"Back Yard\" Camera Detected Motion",
"pinName": "",
"sensorName": "Back Yard",
"messageSubject": "Camera Detected Motion",
"messageBody": "\"Back Yard\" Camera Detected Motion on 12/08/2023 at 3:06 PM",
"eventType": "activityCam",
"timezone": 3,
"locationOffset": -480,
"internal": {
"isSubscribed": true,
"shouldNotify": false,
"type": "pir",
"mainCamera": "6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd",
"mainCameraName": "Back Yard",
"mainCameraFirmwareVersion": "1.18.23.5603",
"micEnable": true,
"cameraSupportedFeatures": {
"providers": {
"allSupportedProviders": {
"webrtc": [],
"recording": [],
"live": []
},
"webrtc": "kvs",
"recording": "kvs",
"live": "none"
},
"audioEncodings": [
"aac"
],
"resolutions": [
"480p",
"720p",
"1080p"
],
"id": "6520320c6ad44a16feca068b",
"pir": true,
"videoAnalytics": true,
"privacyShutter": false,
"microphone": true,
"fullDuplexAudio": true,
"wired": false,
"battery": true,
"networkSpeedTest": true,
"speaker": true,
"spotlight": false,
"colorNightMode": true,
"videoFlip": true,
"doorbell": false,
"videoAnalyticsZones": true,
"pairedToBasestation": true,
"siren": true,
"forceStatusLightsOn": false,
"supportsEventUuid": true,
"deviceManagedRecordings": true,
"videoEncoding": "h264",
"aspectRatio": "16:9",
"doorbellChimeSupported": false,
"canTriggerBSAlarm": false,
"cameraEventsWithSystemState": false,
"monitoredLiveStream": false,
"wifiAwake": false,
"outdoorMonitoring": false
},
"cameraModel": "SSOBCM4",
"maxDigitalZoom": 10,
"triggerTimestamp": 1702076769,
"webrtcProvider": "KVS",
"objectsDetected": [
"human"
],
"dispatcher": "rrms-internal"
},
"senderId": "",
"eventId": 37774838924,
"serviceFeatures": {
"monitoring": false,
"alerts": true,
"online": true,
"hazard": false,
"video": true,
"cameras": 10,
"dispatch": false,
"proInstall": false,
"discount": 0,
"vipCS": false,
"medical": false,
"careVisit": false,
"storageDays": 30
},
"copsVideoOptIn": false,
"videoStartedBy": "6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd",
"video": {
"6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd": {
"clipId": "25729548569",
"preroll": 3,
"postroll": 7,
"cameraName": "Back Yard",
"eventId": "37774838924",
"sid": 6720379,
"timestamp": 1702076772,
"recordingType": "KVS",
"account": "611485993050",
"region": "us-east-1",
"actualDuration": 0,
"status": "PENDING",
"_links": {
"_self": {
"href": "https://chronicle.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/recordings/25729548569",
"method": "GET"
},
"preview/mjpg": {
"href": "https://remix.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/preview/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076779?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1{&fps,width}",
"method": "GET",
"templated": true
},
"snapshot/mjpg": {
"href": "https://remix.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/preview/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076773?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1{&fps,width}",
"method": "GET",
"templated": true
},
"snapshot/jpg": {
"href": "https://remix.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/snapshot/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1{&width}",
"method": "GET",
"templated": true
},
"download/mp4": {
"href": "https://remix.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/download/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076779?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1",
"method": "GET"
},
"share": {
"href": "https://remix.us-east-1.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v2/share/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076779?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1",
"method": "POST"
},
"playback/dash": {
"href": "https://mediator.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/recording/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076779/dash?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1",
"method": "GET"
},
"playback/hls": {
"href": "https://mediator.prd.cam.simplisafe.com/v1/recording/6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd/6720379/time/1702076769/1702076779/hls?account=611485993050®ion=us-east-1",
"method": "GET"
}
},
"uuid": "6172311af9da430ab2e11c59f11b6abd",
"initiated": true,
"aspectRatio": "16:9",
"cameraModel": "SSOBCM4"
}
}
}
}I am able to use curl with the Authorization: Bearer ACCESS_TOKEN header on the snapshot/jpg link to get an image of the detection event, and I am able to download the download/mp4 and play it in VLC. I did not try the other links. For me, this is the more important feature I'd want. I am less interested in a live feed from the camera. But I do want the image and video associated with a motion detection event. |
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I wonder if the outdoor camera could be handled as if it was a "doorbell"? |
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They are practically the same. Both support motion-triggered notifications and video streaming. Also, you cant ring a camera =) |
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i can give it a shot, just need to know where in the json config i can assign the outdoor camera as a doorbell, and test functionality |
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I have been working on this with @bachya. Motion "media" urls (an image and a mp4 clip) will be present in SIMPLYSAFE_EVENTs when last_event_type=camera_motion_detected. These are used in a couple of new services that can be used to save these media files locally (to view in a gallery, send notifications, etc). The simplipy library has been released, and now a PR is being done on HA to use this new library. Hopefully it will be available soon! |
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thanks for the update on this. let me know if there is anything i can do to help! |
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Any plans for, or time frame for, supporting the new Simplisafe outdoor camera?
thx!
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