Wireless CarPlay/Android Auto possible?

[kentherzz]

Hi Jille. As Discover Pro headunits (at least in Europe) has WiFi module it seems very much that it is only the software that is the limitation. Can you dig into if this could be activated? I know you do stuff for free and we appreciate it but I would really like to donate a good amount if you found a way... And I dont think Im the only one 👍

[jilleb]

Yes, this topic has been on my mind for a loooooooong time. I've even used some binaries from Audi to try to enable it, but the problem is: missing user interface. There's no front-end for the wireless connection (yet), so I'm completely in the dark how to activate such a thing. But......... I have good hopes there's a way.

If anyone knows which firmware versions support wireless AA, I will investigate those for inspiration.

[andy0172]

In MHI2_US_AU57x_K3324_1 wireless Carplay and AA is implemented. I have this firmware available if needed.

[kentherzz]

@andy0172 So it is usable? have you tried it?

[andy0172]

Yes in a Audi its working, but the question is, how to get this functionallity into our VW software, because in the audi its a MIB2 high system like ours.

[nicof38]

In MHI2_US_AU57x_K3324_1 wireless Carplay and AA is implemented. I have this firmware available if needed.

Do you have access to ER variant of any 3xxx MHI2 firmware ?

[fsonmez]

In MHI2_US_AU57x_K3324_1 wireless Carplay and AA is implemented. I have this firmware available if needed.

is it possible for you to provide the firmware with aa wireless on audi a3 mib2 europe version?

[AndrexOfficial]

Yes, this topic has been on my mind for a loooooooong time. I've even used some binaries from Audi to try to enable it, but the problem is: missing user interface. There's no front-end for the wireless connection (yet), so I'm completely in the dark how to activate such a thing. But......... I have good hopes there's a way.

If anyone knows which firmware versions support wireless AA, I will investigate those for inspiration.

VW MIB3 SW 1560 EU has Wireless CarPlay and Android Auto with even the user-interface, this should work also on very latest MIB 2.5 units with SW 1367 or 1427.
Tell me if you need MIB3 firmware ;)

[Hamburgpriat]

Hi,

do you have by any chance info how to activate Audi smartphone interface / Android Auto/ Car Play ?

No...
https://github.com/jilleb/mib2-toolbox/blob/master/FAQ.md#can-this-enable-android-auto--carplay

[arcangel321]

Any progress about this? It would be so perfect!!

[AndrexOfficial]

i think there need an Firmware of MIB3... to check the Code and have to implemented in MIB2 Firmware...
Maybe in the future it is possible to upgrade MIB 2 to MIB 3... (i read there is an GPS Problem after update. But Hackers work on it...)

Where did you read it?

[Hamburgpriat]

i think there need an Firmware of MIB3... to check the Code and have to implemented in MIB2 Firmware...
Maybe in the future it is possible to upgrade MIB 2 to MIB 3... (i read there is an GPS Problem after update. But Hackers work on it...)

Where did you read it?

Oh sorry. He change the hole Columbus... But have problem with the GPS after replace...

in german:
https://www.jestex.de/tag/mib-3/

[jilleb]

Please stay on topic or else I will have to clean this topic and remove most replies...

[Aintejo]

Hi,

Some light, hope this may help :

Discover Pro 2017 ==> Supports App-Connect (No wireless)
https://webspecial.volkswagen.de/vwinfotainment/ch/fr/index/infotainment-systeme#/?detail=a7208a1f-88e4-4be9-b8c4-5cb805deaa59
Available on this cars :

• Golf/Variant/Sportsvan/GTI/GTD/R/GTE/e-Golf from MY2017
• Passat from MY2017
• Tiguan from MY2017
• Tiguan Allspace up to MY2019
• Arteon up to MY2019

Discover Pro 2019 ==> Supports App-Connect (No wireless)
https://webspecial.volkswagen.de/vwinfotainment/ch/fr/index/infotainment-systeme#/?detail=3583374f-d3ca-4260-a078-3a363d11b06a
Available on this cars :

• Tiguan from MY2019
• T-ROC from MY2019
• T-Cross
• Touran and Golf Sportsvan from 2019

Discover Pro 2019 ==> Supports appConnectWireless
https://webspecial.volkswagen.de/vwinfotainment/ch/fr/index/infotainment-systeme#/?detail=a7208a1f-88e4-4be9-b8c4-5cb805deaa59
Available on this cars :

• Passat from MY2019
• Arteon from MY2019

The screen is the same in the 3 cases, and the skin of menu as well. If VW information is not wrong and Passat/Arteon from 2019 really support App-Connect Wireless, do you think it would be the "easiest" way to do it ?

[jilleb]

The 2019 Passat/Arteon Discover Pro's are identical to the ones in Tiguan and Golf... Wireless App-connect is not supported. Audi is currently the only one that has an MIB2 firmware that supports wireless app-connect, but I haven't been able to get it working on other units.

[BobHackett2]

Is this something that can be activated in my 2018 S4?

[tronny87]

Wireless App-Connect possible in MY20 Jetta?

[mathieuedet]

I think it's not possible on these vehicules. Android auto requires wifi 5ghz and it's only 2.4ghz on these cars.

[brianyou0524]

As I know , there's 3rd party device to implement wireless Apple Carplay.
However, Andorid Auto doesn't have this device. and after studying Wireless AA.
It's using WIFI Direct to implement what we need. WIFI Direct is one of the WIFI function .
MIB2 discovery pro2 doesn't support WIFI Direct . It should be upgraded by WIFI module firmware

[mathieuedet]

@brianyou0524 Honestly, I have some doubts about an update from VW for this module but it could be really nice ;)

[spikked27]

This would be killer to get, so frustrating having a wireless charging pad but still have to plug the phone in to use Android auto 😠

[OneB1t]

VW MIB3 SW 1560 EU has Wireless CarPlay and Android Auto with even the user-interface, this should work also on very latest MIB 2.5 units with SW 1367 or 1427.
Tell me if you need MIB3 firmware ;)

@AndrexOfficial
Is it possible to obtain that MIB3 firmware? i have MIB.2.5 unit SW1367 (unit is actually AUDI unit flashed with VW firmware)

[AndrexOfficial]

@OneB1t Yes I have MIB3 firmware but I think it is not compatible with MIB 2.5

[veso266]

@OneB1t Yes I have MIB3 firmware but I think it is not compatible with MIB 2.5

Well, even if its not compatible, if you could share it anyway, that would be great

[Omario79]

If you have wifi in your System you can activate it with obdeleven
I did it

[andrewleech]

If you have wifi in your System you can activate it with obdeleven I did it

Was this on an Audi / mmi system? Certain Audi models support it this way but there's no publicly known way to do this via coding on other brand mib2 / mib2.5 systems.

[ferpraes]

Any new about this topic?

[qba667]

@andrewleech
I just looked over script and assemblies of mentioned by @andy0172 MHI2_US_AU57x_K3324_1, can not find any socket related operations beside Exlap in GAL assembly. Maybe it is not part of the GAL.
The WiFi link over 2.4 GHz seems to be sufficient to handle h264 media streaming.
Interesting could be:
remotehmi.jar
libdsiandroidauto2proxy.so
libdsiandroidautoproxy.so
smartphone_integrator

[LuboszLB]

I have Touran 2019 with Discover Pro - HW H55/SW 1367 and I am looking for last update (latest firmware). THX

[jfalmeida]

Yes, this topic has been on my mind for a loooooooong time. I've even used some binaries from Audi to try to enable it, but the problem is: missing user interface. There's no front-end for the wireless connection (yet), so I'm completely in the dark how to activate such a thing. But......... I have good hopes there's a way.
If anyone knows which firmware versions support wireless AA, I will investigate those for inspiration.

VW MIB3 SW 1560 EU has Wireless CarPlay and Android Auto with even the user-interface, this should work also on very latest MIB 2.5 units with SW 1367 or 1427. Tell me if you need MIB3 firmware ;)

Hey @AndrexOfficial , I've got 1560 on a MIB3, Carplay wifi works but android auto doesn't. Do you have any firmware update for MOI3? like 2700, 2760 or even earlier version?

[qba667]

Comparing libs of GAL between my Skoda and Audi:
Audi:
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libirc_mmx_adapter.so]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libpps.so.1]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libaoa-lite.so.1]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libautoreceiver_qnx.so.1]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libprotobuf-lite.so.1]

Skoda:
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libservmngt.so]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libusbdi.so.2]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libautoreceiver.so]
0x00000001 (NEEDED) Shared library: [libprotobuf-lite.so]

[isopix]

I've got Arteon 1.5 TSI 2018 with MST2 (MIB2 Standard: Composition Media, Discover Media)

Device part number:
3Q0035846B

Hardware:
851

Navigation Database:
3G0919866BJ
0915
ECE1 2018
2300

App-Connect:
755

Radio database version:
Version 1.9.4

USB surfstick version:
1.0.0

Installed SW Train Version:
MST2_EU_VW_P0883D

Installed SW MU Version:
0883
# was 0867

Part number:
3Q0035846B

Software Version:
H29.319.120_STD2Nav_EU
# was H29.319.28.3_STD2Nav_EU


HMI Software:
H29.319.120_STD2Nav_EU

Model:
GuideModel_29.319.32

Software Base:
H29.319.120-202003251528

CGRun Number:
H29.319.120-202003251531_STD2Nav_EU_202003...

Android Auto works over USB cable. (I've unlocked everything in car, so there's AppleCar, Android Auto and Mirror Link)

I'm able to connect both car to phone's WiFi(it tries to get to internet that way) and phone to car's hotspot.
So connecting works both ways. If I remember good, the same goes for bluetooth(but less sure about that).

Pressing "connect button" (like stated in "Android Auto settings" to connect wirelessly doesn't appear anything.

Anyway I don't know how to connect Android Auto wireless. From previous replies it sounds it impossible.
Option to add cars and wireless in disappearing randomly in Android auto settings (Xiaomi 14 Ultra, Global version)

Should I buy adapter (like Motorola MA1/AA Wireless, it will take USB ports and space in cockpit) or is there any hope I can enable it by replacing files from Audi?

(I'm pretty technical person, advanced CLI linux user, and I've upgraded and unlocked everything by OBD2/Car Scanner, file patching and certificate generation to sdcard
I don't have telnet enabled and was unable to later downgrade from 883D, so unfortunately can not enable it now)

[Korni22]

If you look at one of the earlier comments, Jille states that this may or may not be possible, but even if you swap the necessary files, you're still lacking the user interface to set things up:
#22 (comment)

While I'm not entirely sure, I think this is pretty much a dead end, the MIB3 retrofits are getting easier by the minute, especially if you don't have Dynaudio (or the version for your specific model)

[OneB1t]

replace gal binary from audi and maybe it will be possible to have working wireless android auto
that is where it makes sense to start experimenting

[veso266]

I dont think retrofitting MIB3 is souch a good idea at this time

GEM is FEC protected there and there is no toolbox for it yet

[andrewleech]

Well I'm quite happy with my AAWireless dongle on mib2, apparently they're also adding carplay support to the same dongle too so the one unit should work with both.

[twistedpixel]

Well I'm quite happy with my AAWireless dongle on mib2, apparently they're also adding carplay support to the same dongle too so the one unit should work with both.

Which dongle do you use? I have considered CarLinkit 5 but the reviews are either “it’s great” or “it’s great but disconnects all the time.” My Lightning port is dodgy enough so if I want something that disconnects all the time I’ll just keep using the cable!

[andrewleech]

It's called AAWireless.

Yeah sometimes it disconnects, but usually that means the cable it's connected with isn't quite good enough. I've never found a lightning cable for my partner's phone that lasts longer than a few months in the car really.

Also, from a quick Google search built-in wireless Android Auto / carplay disconnects pretty often for some people too...

[twistedpixel]

It's called AAWireless.

Yeah sometimes it disconnects, but usually that means the cable it's connected with isn't quite good enough. I've never found a lightning cable for my partner's phone that lasts longer than a few months in the car really.

Also, from a quick Google search built-in wireless Android Auto / carplay disconnects pretty often for some people too...

The product you have seems way better than the CarLinkit thing. Reviews are unanimously positive and they have a blog post outlining that version 2 is due to be released soon. There is currently a CarPlay beta and apparently it’s very good. I think I’ll wait for version 2 but it looks very promising - thanks for mentioning it.