Remove Manager Part 1

[brianteeman]

This is the Pull request for the first part of the work by @rgmears to remove the word manager which is pretty redundant joomla/user-interface-text#42

This PR only looks at the top menu and the quicklinks. The screenshots below show you the before and after.

[zero-24]

Also this RTC Thanks Brian 😄

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[brianteeman]

Thanks for setting this RTC but I am removing the RTC label as this change needs testing and approval as it changes something that's been this way for over 10 years.

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[MATsxm]

successfully tested.

Thanks

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[wilsonge]

Personally this looks a lot better to me. I'll bring it up in the CMS Maintainers Group though for you Brian :)

[brianteeman]

If accepted I will make all the extra PR that are needed

[rdeutz]

Isn't for Users, Menu and Extension the word Users, Menu and Extension redundant?

Menu -> Manager -> ... makes more sense for me as Menu -> Menu

[brianteeman]

Thats an interesting idea. Is this how it is done in german?

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Isn't for Users, Menu and Extension the word Users, Menu and Extension
redundant?

Menu -> Manager -> ... makes more sense for me as Menu -> Menu

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[brianteeman]

And how would it be handled on the quick menu

[Bakual]

Is this how it is done in german?

In german it's "Menüs" -> "Menüs", "Benutzer" -> "Benutzer" and "Erweiterungen" -> "Erweiterungen".
Looks indeed a bit ugly, especially in the manager itself where you have "Menüs: Menüs" and "Benutzer: Benutzer" as the title.

[MATsxm]

Agree that having 'Menus : Menu(s)' inside the manager itself is a bit weird but then, what would it be on the Control panel?
"Structure
->Menu(s)"
?

[zero-24]

Menu -> Manager ->

Menu -> Manager -> Add New Menu?
Extensions -> Manager?
Users -> Manager -> Add new User?

For the Toolbar it means:
(old) Menu Manager: Menus
(new) Menu: Manager

Extensions (nothing changed)
Extensions: Install

(old) User Manager: Users
(new) User: Manager

Personaly I don't think this is much better.

[zero-24]

In german it's "Menüs" -> "Menüs", "Benutzer" -> "Benutzer" and "Erweiterungen" -> "Erweiterungen".
Looks indeed a bit ugly, especially in the manager itself where you have "Menüs: Menüs" and "Benutzer: Benutzer" as the title.

Hmm for sure only these 3. The other components (under the Components Dropdown) don't have this issue ;)

[zero-24]

maybe we can remove the manager only particular for

Extensions -> Template Manager
Extensions -> Module Manager
...

And leave for the "Top entrys" like
Extensions -> Extensions Manager
Users --> User Manager
...

[rgmears]

Menus -> Menu(s)
could be
Menus -> Manage

Users -> Users
could be
Users -> Manage

And Configuration -> Global Configuration
should be
Configuration -> Global

[brianteeman]

But what would you do on the quicklinks module?
And when you drill down into the manager page (PR2) what should it then show?

[rgmears]

Do the same on the Quicklinks module. Except:

Structure
-> Menu(s)
-> Modules

(However I would rather go to Menu Items than Menus from that quick link.)

Not sure what you mean. Drill down? PR2?

[wilsonge]

PR2 i think means the second PR part here #7432

[brianteeman]

For drill down I mean #7432 If the menu is just Manager what does it say in the list view title

[rgmears]

Sorry for being so thick here. What is "list view title"?

[brianteeman]

This is the view I am referring to.

[rgmears]

This is how I think it should look.

[brianteeman]

But then you have a menu item called manager that loads a page with the
title menus.

That was the inconsistency I was trying to highlight
On 15 Jul 2015 13:39, "Robert G Mears" notifications@github.com wrote:

This is how I think it should look.

[image: mgr_menus]
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4270063/8698500/6f3b0494-2ac4-11e5-8ae4-192e625e5423.png

[image: mgr_menu_items]
https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/4270063/8698504/7b97d56e-2ac4-11e5-8248-0b6e3e4355ea.png

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[rgmears]

Where is the menu item "manager" with the page title "menus"?

It might simplify matters to do this:

Then the Main Menu reflects the organization of the Quick Links menu.

[brianteeman]

That was your suggestion several messages up Menus -> Menu(s) could be Menus -> Manage

[brianteeman]

As for changing the names of the top level menus and the contents of the
menus I think that is best left to a separate issue
On 15 Jul 2015 14:15, "Brian Teeman" brian@teeman.net wrote:

That was your suggestion several messages up

Menus -> Menu(s)
could be
Menus -> Manage

[rgmears]

Seemed silly to have Menus -> Menu(s) in the menu.

In this context the Menus page is the same as Categories under Content. Perhaps changing the Menu item to Structure or Navigation (if Modules are left under Extensions) would work. Then you would have
Navigation v
-> Menu(s)
-> Menu Items

[rgmears]

Alternatively change the title on the Menus page to Manage Menu(s) and everybody's happy.

[RCheesley]

There's only one point here which I don't agree with, and that is the change from 'Access Levels' to 'Access'. I think people would better understand what it means to include Access Levels, and I guess when translated that might also make it clearer in other languages.

Everything else I think is an improvement and de-clutters things.

[MATsxm]

as a non native :p agree with @RCheesley for 'Access Level' & still agree with the originals screen shots from @brianteeman

[brianteeman]

I will prepare an updated PR - thanks

On 16 July 2015 at 01:33, Marc-Antoine Thevenet notifications@github.com
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as a non native :p agree with @RCheesley https://github.com/RCheesley
for 'Access Level' & still agree with the originals screen shots from
@brianteeman https://github.com/brianteeman

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[brianteeman]

Closing this while @rgmears and myself prepare the final complete PR