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Feature request: long time exposure #3

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gon0 opened this issue Apr 23, 2021 · 7 comments
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Feature request: long time exposure #3

gon0 opened this issue Apr 23, 2021 · 7 comments

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@gon0
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gon0 commented Apr 23, 2021

Dear Les,

this is a great project. Thank you for sharing! I found it via hackaday.

I am thinking about if I could use it for astronomy. Because the light sources (stars) are very dim, a long time exposure would be needed. Is there an advantage if the HQ Pi Cam is used instead of the Standard Pi cam for this case?

I just leave my thought for a long time exposure here for discussion. I more people are interested, maybe someone could implement it. Otherwise just close this ticket.

Keep up the great work :)

@leswright1977
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Cheers!
Yes, probably. The picam 2 has a max exposure time of 10 seconds, and the HQ can do up to 230 seconds: https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/usage/camera/raspicam/longexp.md

I suppose on the picam2, you could stack images, then run the algorithm against it.
If I get time, and manage to get an HQ cam, it is definitely worth looking into.

Cheers!

Les

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I have the HQ camera and plan to try that, first. I can experiment with the exposure times.

Another option I'm interested in exploring is using the diffraction films with 1000 slits/mm.

Great software. I have wanted to make one of these for a long time. I was planning to use the older closed-source Windows software that does more or less the same thing. Thank you for building the software for Pi/Linux and making it open. I think you can easily make a functional, portable solution with this. Really great.

@leswright1977
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leswright1977 commented Apr 27, 2021 via email

@gon0
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gon0 commented Apr 27, 2021

Dear @leswright1977 and @MakerMatrix,
thank you for your quick help! Since I don't have any PiCam, I am curious waiting for your results to decide what to buy :) (Especially the HQ cam with a 1000 slits/mm grating sounds interesting)

Also I thought about the movement of the spectrum in the camera picture, if the light source moves. E.g. if a star moves and I point to it with a telescope without tracking, will the spectrum in the camera also move? I am willing to try that out. Some thought about that:

  • if the spectum moves, a long time exposure would probably broaden the measured peaks
  • if the spectrum does not move, this is good, but:
    Since I have a cheap telescope, I might measure also chromatic aberrations of my telescope when the star moves from one corner to another. But this is a side effect. I am just curious measuring different spectra ;)

Thank you for your great work so far!

@MakerMatrix
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MakerMatrix commented Apr 27, 2021

I'm all in on the astro bits. I have an EQ6 and AVX tracking mounts here. We could maybe fabricate something that interfaces with a standard 2" focuser. The challenge for me is always time, not motivation ;-)

The gratings I have are in 35mm slide form, like this:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/292860945062

Also I just found (and ordered) this for making custom sizes/shapes:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/280859388704

They are probably cheap and abundant on ebay in every part of the world. I've noticed they tend to come from Israel.

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GoJian commented May 1, 2021

Just ordered all parts and I have to say I am really excited about this project!

@MakerMatrix - thanks for all the ideas. I just ordered some 1000 line/mm gratings as well. From studying this ebay seller's listing, I learned two things (1) the diffraction grating was mounted ~45 degrees to incident light -- not sure why? (2) there is another, prism-type spectroscope that seems better. There also appears to be some inherent non-linearity in how the diffraction works.

I am looking for a suitable c-mount zoom lens for the HQ Pi Cam. I guess I will need to test out a few C-mount CCTV lenses. Will report back once I get all the parts together.

In addition to attaching this to a telescope (please let us know once anyone figure out a suitable adapter), I hope to attach this setup to a microscope camera port, so I can use this to measure the spectra of small objects and minerals.

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My little scope came today. It seems pretty awesome.
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