[request] rebalance suggestion

[Ruchian]

This may have been mentioned somewhere already, but I decided to inform you of this anyway.

Currently, a daily claim gives 300 Tomatoes.
A quest either rewards 400, 500 or 650 tomatoes by default. (minimum reward is 800)
Chinatsu boosts quest rewards by 80%, making her minimum quest reward 720x3 (as she receives an extra quest as well), so 2160.
Yui's effect gives +100 daily tomatoes for every card previously claimed.
Akari's effect makes claim cost 65% of original price.

Claim costs are 50 times number of cards previously claimed + 1.
So you get a table like this.

claim	cost common	total	cost akari	total	comment
1	50	50	32.5	32.5
2	100	150	65	97.5
3	150	300	97.5	195	common daily gone
4	200	500	130	325	akari daily gone
5	250	750	162.5	487.5
6	300	1050	195	682.5
7	350	1400	227.5	910	kyoko debt
8	400	1800	260	1170	akari debt
9	450	2250	292.5	1462.5	yui debt
10	500	2750	325	1787.5	chinatsu debt

When I commented on the debt, I mean when at minimum quest reward, people would claim more than they can affort (when their tomato stock is empty) Yui scores second highest because of her +100 per card. The difference between Yui and Chinatsu's debt is also interesting.
Trying to claim the 10th card, chinatsu would be 290 tomatoes short. Trying to claim the 9th card, Yui would be 250 tomatoes short.

I understand Kyoko's cost is lower because of her two other effects, making her a more strategic auctioner hero, but considering Akari only has the effect of reducing claim cost, it's strange that she is only one card better off than Kyoko. Yui also has the second effect of making all effect cards have half their cooldown.

So, to conclude: With Yui, not only can you reliably claim a large amount of cards with her while still holding on a nice stockpile of tomatoes for later bidding on the auction, the reduced time for an effect card's activation makes her pretty much overpowered compared to the others. It effectively makes her the best choice for hero and to such point that there seems to be little reason to pick another one. Perhaps chinatsu to more quickly stockpile tomatoes, but Akari is practically useless this way and Kyoko is more for those who are already rich.

I was wondering if you could rebalance things a bit. At least between Yui and Akari. You could consider to decrease the card cost for akari even further so she has better benefits or add a second hero effect for her. It would result in more players pick her and I mean not just for the looks.

[madebynoxc]

Thank you for the research and detailed report. I am aware that there are a lot of balance issues with heroes. Mostly because a lot of abilities were changed/removed as game changed a lot since heroes were implemented.
However, as I already mentioned before, there are no changes planned to the current hero system. There is new system planned and being implemented really slowly. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to sit down and work on it right now, so this will probably remain unresolved for some time.
But thank you again for your research, I appreciate the effort

[Ruchian]

Ah, I see. I only recently, basically only a few minutes before I originally made this post, found the message in which you mentioned that you were planning on changing the hero system. It was thanks to the keyword "system" that I found it, as the message is pretty difficult to find without. (Suggestion: perhaps you could pin something about it).
I noticed you mentioned it over a year ago. Sorry, I completely missed this message earlier when I decided to make this issue topic (despite searching at that time) I mean.

I'm not in a hurry to see any changes with the bot you made. I just wanted to inform you of something that I happen to notice while I was trying out the bot's heroes and wanted to take a closer look at the numbers while at it. I posted the information here thinking it may be useful for something.

Take all the time you need. I'm pretty certain, especially after reading the announcements you made yesterday, that your life is busy enough even without this project.

edit: Now for the fun part.
Lets see what happens when the quest rewards are at their highest.
(So instead you get 600 from two quests + 300 (from the daily), granting 1500 tomatoes in total.)
(Chinatsu gets 1170 x3, 3510. I know this is extremely exceptional, but possible.)
(This has happened enough in a row for Yui to be able to claim up to max.)

claim	common cost	total	cost akari	total	comment
1	50	50	32.5	32.5
2	100	150	65	97.5
3	150	300	97.5	195	common daily gone
4	200	500	130	325	Akari daily gone
5	250	750	162.5	487.5
6	300	1050	195	682.5
7	350	1400	227.5	910
8	400	1800	260	1170	Kyoko debt
9	450	2250	292.5	1462.5
10	500	2750	325	1787.5	Yui + Akari debt
11	550	3300	357.5	2145
12	600	3900	390	2535	Chinatsu debt

Under these circumstances chinatsu is short on 90 tomatoes for the next claim. Yui is 250 short. Akari is 287.5 tomatoes short and Kyoko is short 300 tomatoes. Getting the best rewards for quests is pretty unlikely though. The quests and their rewards are given by chances, meaning, especially for Chinatsu it's very rare as she needs three quests with max rewards to obtain this. The others only receive two quests and thus have a higher chance on the best rewards.

What is surprising is the amount of extra cards the heroes can claim. Under these circumstances both Chinatsu and Akari can claim 2 more cards, where as both Yui and Kyoko only gets one extra.

I am not too sure what the avarage quest rewards are. I might try to make another table with that if I could. But still, this is interesting.

I have also been thinking something silly. If Akari's second ability would be 'get one additional random card from a randomly chosen series when claiming the daily tomatoes', she would place on the card count one higher spot than Yui when given the best rewards, or be equal to her under the lowest quest reward circumstances. But to be fair, I think that only adding a buff like this it would increase the distance between Kyoko and the others too much. I am not too sure on it either, on how one would improve the balancing here, so I understand it's complicated.