Vertical scroll bar too narrow

[vefatica]

The vertical scroll bar was sufficiently narrow so as to make it difficult to use. And, IIRC, someone recently asked about making it wider (I'll second that, a little late). In 1.13.10336.0 it's even narrower than it was previously. Things don't seem to be going in the right direction.

[j4james]

This is probably covered by #9218.

[vefatica]

Other sizes are off too. This pic is from WindowsTerminal 1.12.10334.0. See how the sizes of the images on the icons seem to match.

Here's WindowsTerminalPreview 1.13.10336.0. To me the size/boldness difference looks a bit goofy.

And I see a separator in 1.13 and not in 1.12.

[j4james]

I haven't been following the UI development closely, but I assume at least some of these changes are to match the style guidelines for Windows 11. Those button icons do look more likely to be a bug though.

[vefatica]

And colors and fonts have changed (tabs and tab area background). And navigation in the settings UI has changed rather drastically ("General", "Appearance", and "Advanced" no longer have equal status). None of it gets thumbs-up from me.

[j4james]

I'm not a fan of all the new UI changes, but that's always the way of things - you can't please everyone. And maybe one day we'll get the XAML theming functionality (#3327) and I'll finally be able to reskin my terminal in the style of Windows 3.1.

[vefatica]

you can't please everyone

I wonder whom they're trying to please. Maybe someone who likes the changes will chime in.

[lhecker]

I agree. I personally do not consider the new scrollbars as optimal for mouse usage. But I can see how they make a lot of sense in the context of most WinUI applications, where overlay scrollbars are beneficial.

However as much as I'd personally like to create an alternative scrollbar appearance, Windows Terminal is still an important test ground for WinUI and while it's not impossible, it's realistically unlikely that we'll adopt something that isn't natively implementable with WinUI. As such foundational UI feedback like this should be directed to https://github.com/microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml I believe.

[vefatica]

Windows Terminal is still an important test ground for WinUI

If that's so, I'm confident that those developers are paying close attention to feedback here.

And if feedback should be directed to them that would seem to be the job of the WindowsTerminal team (not mine).

[mailinglists35]

At this point they can simply remove it, since it's 99% impossible to grab it with the mouse with sufficient reaction time to be useful.

https://i.imgur.com/6Gh2QIa.png

What a mockery, microsoft!

[rashil2000]

... it's 99% impossible to grab it with the mouse with sufficient reaction time to be useful.

I'll have to agree here. The new 1.13 update brings in a lot of (breaking) changes for Windows 10 users (which according to Microsoft is still supported till 2025). I never had UI problems with Preview updates before, but it is very un-Microsoft-y to neglect old-gen (here, Windows 10) users with usability stuff like this.

I personally do not consider the new scrollbars as optimal for mouse usage.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of having a scroll bar, to facilitate mouse usage? I presume it's going to be problematic even for Windows 11 users (if the width is as narrow there as Windows 10).

[zadjii-msft]

Alright, thanks for the feedback everyone. I'm gonna move this discussion upstream to microsoft/microsoft-ui-xaml#6684. We'll see if the fix for #9218 is trivial, that might be the easiest, fastest fix here.