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Missing Old Hungarian numbers. #32

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rovasiras opened this issue May 23, 2023 · 9 comments
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Missing Old Hungarian numbers. #32

rovasiras opened this issue May 23, 2023 · 9 comments
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@rovasiras
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Missing Old Hungarian numbers: one, five, ten, fifty, hundred and thousend.

@mike-fabian
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script also lists a Old Hungarian 500, but that doesn’t seem to exist in Unicode.

Is that just an error in the Wikipedia page or is there maybe a ligature for 500?

@mike-fabian mike-fabian self-assigned this May 30, 2023
mike-fabian added a commit to mike-fabian/ibus-table-others that referenced this issue May 30, 2023
…by Viktor Kovács <kov.h.vik@gmail.com>

- Add missing small "ent", "emp", "unk", "us" and "amb" symbols to hu-old-hungarian-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#33

  Also add typing variants for the capital symbols typing only the first
  or the first two Latin letters in upper case.

- Add missing small and capital "enc", "and", "ech", "ent shaped sign" to hu-old-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#34

  Typing sequences for “ent shaped sign” are “ents” (small), “Ents”, “ENTs”, “ENTS” (capital).

- Follow Sándor Forrai’s orthography for ü, Ü, ű, Ű

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#30

- add small and capital "short R"

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#31

- Add U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER, U+200F RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, U+200C LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#35

- Add Old Hungarian Numbers

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#32

- Add reversed question mark, reversed comma, reversed semicolon

- Use `/` as a prefix for characters which are typed with AltGr on the xkeyboard-config old hungarian layout
  (We cannot use AltGr in ibus-table, so we can only use some prefix character instead)

- Use `_` as a prefix for characters accessed by a longer string like a shorthand of their name
mike-fabian added a commit to mike-fabian/ibus-table-others that referenced this issue May 30, 2023
…by Viktor Kovács <kov.h.vik@gmail.com>

- Add missing small "ent", "emp", "unk", "us" and "amb" symbols to hu-old-hungarian-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#33

  Also add typing variants for the capital symbols typing only the first
  or the first two Latin letters in upper case.

- Add missing small and capital "enc", "and", "ech", "ent shaped sign" to hu-old-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#34

  Typing sequences for “ent shaped sign” are “ents” (small), “Ents”, “ENTs”, “ENTS” (capital).

- Follow Sándor Forrai’s orthography for ü, Ü, ű, Ű

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#30

- add small and capital "short R"

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#31

- Add U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER, U+200F RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, U+200C LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#35

- Add Old Hungarian Numbers

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#32

- Add reversed question mark, reversed comma, reversed semicolon

- Use `/` as a prefix for characters which are typed with AltGr on the xkeyboard-config old hungarian layout
  (We cannot use AltGr in ibus-table, so we can only use some prefix character instead)

- Use `/` as a prefix for ligature names

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#29

  These ligatures are apparently very rarely used, making them accessible only with this prefix
  keeps them available if one really wants them but removes the possibility of them conflicting with
  something else.

- Use `_` as a prefix for characters accessed by a longer string like a shorthand of their name
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script also lists a Old Hungarian 500, but that doesn’t seem to exist in Unicode.

Is that just an error in the Wikipedia page or is there maybe a ligature for 500?

No, it is not an error or ligature. This is deliberate misrepresentation, overriding the standard. Look at for example the form of "Old Hungarian close e".

mike-fabian added a commit to mike-fabian/ibus-table-others that referenced this issue May 31, 2023
…by Viktor Kovács <kov.h.vik@gmail.com>

- Add missing small "ent", "emp", "unk", "us" and "amb" symbols to hu-old-hungarian-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#33

  Also add typing variants for the capital symbols typing only the first
  or the first two Latin letters in upper case.

- Add missing small and capital "enc", "and", "ech", "ent shaped sign" to hu-old-rovas.txt

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#34

  Typing sequences for “ent shaped sign” are “ents” (small), “Ents”, “ENTs”, “ENTS” (capital).

- Follow Sándor Forrai’s orthography for ü, Ü, ű, Ű

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#30

- add small and capital "short R"

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#31

- Add U+200D ZERO WIDTH JOINER, U+200F RIGHT-TO-LEFT MARK, U+200C LEFT-TO-RIGHT MARK

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#35

- Add Old Hungarian Numbers

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#32

- Add reversed question mark, reversed comma, reversed semicolon

- Use `/` as a prefix for characters which are typed with AltGr on the xkeyboard-config old hungarian layout
  (We cannot use AltGr in ibus-table, so we can only use some prefix character instead)

- Use `/` as a prefix for ligature names

  Resolves: moebiuscurve#29

  These ligatures are apparently very rarely used, making them accessible only with this prefix
  keeps them available if one really wants them but removes the possibility of them conflicting with
  something else.

- Use `_` as a prefix for characters accessed by a longer string like a shorthand of their name

- Add / and _ to also input themselves

  / is uses as a prefix similar to AltGr and _ as a prefix to input characters by name but one should
  still be able to input / and _ themselves.

- Add Latin postfix input

  To make it usable with almost any keyboard layout, not only with the Hungarian keyboard layout.
@mike-fabian
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script also lists a Old Hungarian 500, but that doesn’t seem to exist in Unicode.
Is that just an error in the Wikipedia page or is there maybe a ligature for 500?

No, it is not an error or ligature. This is deliberate misrepresentation, overriding the standard.

If no such thing exists, like an Old Hungarian 500, then I think somebody should fix the Wikipedia page.

@mike-fabian
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This is deliberate misrepresentation, overriding the standard. Look at for example the form of "Old Hungarian close e".

The Wikipedia pages

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_script

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Hungarian_(Unicode_block)

do not mention the

U+10CCA OLD HUNGARIAN SMALL LETTER CLOSE E
U+10C8A OLD HUNGARIAN CAPITAL LETTER CLOSE E

they display the code chart not using pictures but using the characters themselves. So how they display depends on which font is used.

When NotoSansOldHungarian-Regular.ttf (from Google) is used, it looks like:

Screenshot-NotoSansOldHungarian-Regular ttf

When OldHungarian.ttf is used it looks like:

Screenshot-OldHungarian ttf

@mike-fabian
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So as far as the close e is concerned, the font OldHungarian.ttf probably needs to be fixed.

@rovasiras
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So as far as the close e is concerned, the font OldHungarian.ttf probably needs to be fixed.

Yes, but the developer won't correcting. I've already sent him an email because a member of Unicode asked me to. The developer simply won't do it.

@mike-fabian
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There is an issue in github about the wrong close e: OldHungarian/old-hungarian-font#6

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How do you like the way I did the numbers?

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