Monero Community Workgroup Meeting: Saturday 8th June 15:00UTC

[plowsof]

Time
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Moderator: plowsof

Please reach out in advance of the meeting if you would like to propose an agenda item.

Proposed Meeting Items:

1. Introduction
2. Greetings
3. Community highlights
   • anhdres monero.garden update
   • Siren/Stnby Announce their new ATM prototype and upcoming auction at MoneroKon https://monero.town/post/3354901
   • the oldest meta issue has been closed
   • stressnet: a testnet fork by spackle-xmr monero stressnet - already causing one monerod to use >45GB of ram.
   • basicswap-bash update: releases ofrnxmr
     News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - Monero Moon
4. CCS updates j-berman 125.3 / escapethe3ra 16 / selsta 53 / plowsof 53.38 / anhdres 30 or 41 / hinto 52.8 / v1do 17.4 / jeffro256 57 / boog900 162
   a. Seraphis General Paper Review
   b. New Monero Website
   c. How to mine Monero guide
   d. I2P SAMv3
   e. ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2
   f. Monero Poker Infrastructure Project
   g. Create and manage a peer-to-peer trading room on Matrix for people wanting to buy and sell Monero with no KYC
   h. Mobazha with Monero in Privacy Ecommerce
   i. Development of New CCS Proposal Platform
   j. Monero Signer Resurrection: Reviving and Enhancing the Monero Signing Project
   k. Revuo Monero maintenance (2024 Q3)
5. Workgroup reports
   a. Dev workgroup
   b. Localization workgroup
   c. Outreach workgroup
   d. Events workgroup - MoneroKon 2024
   e. Website workgroup
   f. Policy workgroup
   g. Research workgroup
   h. Seraphis Migration workgroup
6. Open ideas time
7. Confirm next meeting date/time

Previous meeting including logs

Meeting logs will be posted here afterwards.

[plowsof]

Logs

< plowsof > community meeting in 1hr50 mins for those around #1018

< plowsof > https://live.monerokon.org/ looks broken

< nioCat > will not be able to make it

< nioCat > was working for me

< plowsof > you've already made it, we all have

< nioCat > there is also a u tube link 4 live streem

< plowsof > first they attacked the charts.. and now theyre coming for our live streams.

< plowsof > ah yes, YT live stream link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Zmmp6cei4 (coffee break currently)

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > working fine for me

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > live monerokon

< r​ecanman:kernal.eu > Working for me as wel

< nioCat > plowsof: turn it off and on again

< f​reeross:monero.social > Hi. I believe there is about to be a workgroup meeting. Does it take place here with text messages only?

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Yes

< f​reeross:monero.social > SyntheticBird: ok, thanks ...

< p​lowsof:matrix.org > Meeting time

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > During Serai talk perfect timing

< plowsof > indeed, quite the clash #1018

< plowsof > at any rate id just like to share some stuff here, p2pool/sech1 is now beginning to test merge mining support, a guide to join should hopefully come soon

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Hi

< msvb-lab > Hello.

< plowsof > hello! and directly related to that would be the testnet hardfork, which spackle is working on a release for. great initiative to help find/solve problems when monerod is under load

< h​into:monero.social > hello

< j​0j0xmr:monero.social > Hello.

< plowsof > johnr365 has released a new monero quick facts documents https://resilience365.com/monero-quick-facts/ , thank you

< plowsof > the old material from monero outreach was well, old and offline*

< plowsof > monerokon live stream: https://live.monerokon.org/ (if yo have issues viewing here, the YT link should work)

< plowsof > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Zmmp6cei4

< plowsof > basicswap-bash update: releases ofrnxmr Wow support?

< x​mrack:monero.social > Hi

* plowsof waves

< plowsof > would anyone like to bring something else up? https://librejo.monerodevs.org/ from SyntheticBird , backups of some popular monero repos in the ecosystem

< plowsof > https://libereco.xyz/ a monero dashboard, from snex

< plowsof > feather has moved its release binaries to github after problems with hosting providers

< plowsof > News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - Monero Moon

< r​ucknium:monero.social > People can join the stressnet right now if they want. You can compile this yourself or I think the binaries in /releases should work too: https://github.com/spackle-xmr/monero

< spackle > hello

< r​ucknium:monero.social > You need to start the node with the --testnet flag

< h​into:monero.social > SyntheticBird: can the mirror support repo metadata like issues/prs/labels? there's lots of valuable info there too

< plowsof > datahoarder mentioned that it has already helped him to discover a bug with p2pool/stratum server :)

< x​mrack:monero.social > Rucknium: how many GB is the stressnet?

< DataHoarder > with my own consensus plowsof, but it's not production ready either way :)

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > hinto It actually can't but I was going to work on a daemon to sync all of these. I was actually going to dm you about it

< r​ucknium:monero.social > I think we are about 10GB now. I will check

< r​ucknium:monero.social > We hardfork the main testnet, so we have that DB size already

< DataHoarder > unrelated question but I probably have an IRC<->Matrix AppService soon ready for usage, also has DMs and such.

< DataHoarder > might be good to have a place to put this that can give it a /48 of IPv6 or similar

< plowsof > syntheticbird hinto : i found a github repo that scrape sissues comments but i didnt book mark it but i think the tools exist already

< h​into:monero.social > incoming non-Monero-related-but-kind-of CCS? bitcoin has gitian, monero has "full-repo-mirrorer"

< plowsof > nice Datahoarder, that would help our ecosystem hugely (as does the current m-relay without those features even)

< r​ucknium:monero.social > 9GB now

< plowsof > feather has GUIX and soon monreo

< DataHoarder > feel free to poke me to talk about it after the meeting is done

< plowsof > will do. and the news sites News: Monero Observer - Revuo Monero - Monero Moon

< r​ucknium:monero.social > D​ataHoarder: Could you help us set up the current-version relay bot to relay between IRC and Matrix rooms for stressnet discussion?

< plowsof > ive created the monero-stressnet room on matrix/monero social. #monero-stressnet on irc is awaiting registration from luigi soon

< r​ucknium:monero.social > The current IRC room is with double #'s ##monero-stressnet

< plowsof > lets try to go over the massive merge list on the ccs

< plowsof > b. New Monero Website

< plowsof > has been reduced to 1 milestone now and a reduction in rates as the scope is smaller

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Merge

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > for the sake of humanity

< DataHoarder > sure, lemme see

< plowsof > perhaps a "alternative getmonero" title or something else people will be asking when new site. but im happy with it after the changes

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > +1 merge. The preview looks great. It's about time gm.org gets a treat. As I said before, ping me if I can be of any assistance. We should formalize and strengthen website workgroup.

< DataHoarder > will do after meeting ends, as it takes a restart of bridge

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Don't think it'd be wise to label it as alternative site though.

< plowsof > we can postulate all we want about strengthening it, but there are issues and pull requests open

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Quick suggestion, considering it's a big list of proposals to go through, simply ask for 👍/👎, if against merge, explain succinctly why.

< h​into:monero.social > seems like it has support - is this going to be integrated immediately? or is it just being written?

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Otherwise we will not be able to go through all within the meeting hour.

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Most pages are outdated and there are pages not written

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > plowsof then let's work on closing those and merging the website proposal. chch3003 has been waiting for weeks.

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > yes, It's been a month actually

< plowsof > ch3003 has not attended a meeting yet or contributed to current -site

< plowsof > has enough support for merge as-is now

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > 🚀

< plowsof > waiting for x time does not mean 'merge it' either

< plowsof > it was changed only a few days ago

< h​into:monero.social > I meant after the proposal is finished, will https://getmonero.org send you to this design after the proposal is done?

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Who implied that? Haha.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Next!

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > The website will first be english only so I'm also asking myself the same question

< plowsof > hinto no, this is only going to be the functional english version as i understand... translations ... cms perhaps not yet created

< plowsof > heres what it could be ... do ya like it ,, ok lets gather more support

< h​into:monero.social > okay was just wondering since I would assume the backend admin has to set everything up

< plowsof > the back end admin has to set up translate.getmonero.org also

< plowsof > 1+ year down the line

< plowsof > ok lets go to the next

< plowsof > c. How to mine Monero guide

< plowsof > still the same updoots as previous meeting, 2

< plowsof > i left a comment about the rates compared to the 1st proposal

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > I don't see any obstacle except the rates.

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > I'm all for it when they answer it

< plowsof > maybe not even an obstable, maybe theyre fine, im just asking about the change

< plowsof > we can move on then?

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > yes

< plowsof > im skipping i2p SAM until a dev comes forward and/or leaving the on-going bounty to show the support in the community for said amounts/estimates

< plowsof > e. ofrnxmr feat. BasicSwapDEX - take over the world pt 2

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > funny, the basic swap dex talk just started

< kazumi > cool

< n​ihilist:m.datura.network > https://matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/v1/download/m.datura.network/yygEBHCjjNuuoXUXZSFCUmwO

< plowsof > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4Zmmp6cei4 Day 2 monerokon

< plowsof > theres not been any changes to the proposal since the last meeting, waiting for luigi to look at merges now

< plowsof > i think we can move on for now then, thanks for mentioning the bsx talk syntheticbird

< plowsof > f. Monero Poker Infrastructure Project

< r​ucknium:monero.social > I like the general idea of the BasicSwapDEX proposal. IMHO it would be much better if it was just the milestone 0 or 0+1 so we can see how the project develops with new energy. It also says that the funds should be held by plowsof. I have seen no info about whether he is willing to do that.

< plowsof > "there are zero upsides to holding community funds" someone said, and i agree. we can figure something out (multisig/RINO) and i am ok to be involved there

< plowsof > ms0 would be all upfront so nothing to hold

< r​ucknium:monero.social > IMHO it would be nice to have an update from tobtoht about development progress on good UX for multisig

< plowsof > +1 and for monero poker, i left a comment there, from some feedback i seen here about xmr.poker not really being popular.. not sure what the point of this would be

< plowsof > skipping " g. Create and manage a peer-to-peer trading room on Matrix for people wanting to buy and sell Monero with no KYC "

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > I think its useless now since Haveno is kinda succeeding slowly

< plowsof > skipping closed source " h. Mobazha with Monero in Privacy Ecommerce " although they have reached out to woodser regarding haveno ui / possible mobile apps

< plowsof > i. Development of New CCS Proposal Platform

< plowsof > from FreeRoss

< r​ucknium:monero.social > plowsof: can you make sure that the communication actually happens. I think the Mobazha devs said that the DM wasn't successful

< r​ucknium:monero.social > They don't have to even talk in DMs anyway

< plowsof > eh oh right thanks

< plowsof > when i first read the proposal it looked like something chatgpt spat out, am i the only one? but freeross seems serious about this

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Or fix Matrix.org federation, which is its own big problem. I think Matrix.org is saying that it's a problem with monero.social server. So admins should narrow down what the problem is or

< plowsof > so far we've seen no evidence of his claims, but they have opened a bounty up ~@ https://bounties.monero.social/posts/128/0-000m-a-tor-based-mobile-web-app-for-secure-seed-phrase-storage so i guess we'll see some proof of work

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Yes, I think FreeRoss is victim of corpo talk symptoms, tho it do not undermine its proposal

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Very interesting, I'm looking forward for it

< plowsof > note the amount of text in tte bounty again

< r​ucknium:monero.social > ┻━┻ ︵╰ (° °╰)

< plowsof > ill reach out to pigeons again about that Rucknium, he had some leads as to what was going on

< plowsof > j. Monero Signer Resurrection: Reviving and Enhancing the Monero Signing Project

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Is there any obnscale to his proposal right now ? Its clear and detailed

< vthor > :)

< vthor > Hi

< plowsof > the proposal has juuust been edited i see, revealing some completed items and new tasks

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > plowsof I'd suggest closing the skipped proposals and the new CCS one. Imho.

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > Helps consolidation.

< plowsof > thank you rottenwheel

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Why closing the new CCS one ?

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > If anything, take the suggestions as personal downvotes, should the final decision differ.

< plowsof > for the new ccs there are generic proof of work questions to be answered first other than large texts

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > I don't see the need for a new system, he should feel welcome to make PRs and issues to improve current one. That's my 2 cents though.

< plowsof > and we have several systems, rottenwheel shared some uhm wowneros .. firo... zcash for example

< r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu > As for seedsigner CCS, +1 from me. I got a couple spare seedsigner boards ready to test. Ping me if you need anything. vthor

< plowsof > do they all need to be reinvented ground up? from 1 person? will it be better?

< s​yntheticbird:monero.social > Regarding j. Monero Signer Resurrection. +1

< plowsof > for seedsigner , 2 questions, fire hackerindustrials yes/no - transfer the raised moneros entirely to vthor yes/no

< vthor > :) I would somebody who could test the Dockerfile on macOS, how it seems it is not viable to build the emulator on macOS and I can not run docker on my VM :/

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Donors might wonder why they are paying twice for one thing. Is the proposal to award the funds that are already in the CCS fund to vthor if he/she completes the tasks in the original proposal?

< plowsof > this is a more extreme version of recanmann taking over the monero integrations proposal. but i support it currently. the community has nothing to lose here IMO and progrss has surpassed what hackerindustrials has accomplished in > 1 year in < 1 month

< plowsof > yes it will go to work in progress and the current signer, closed

< plowsof > if successful

< r​ucknium:monero.social > More feedback: If the code has a problem, people could lose funds, or not? I think vthor might not be experienced enough in cryptography to make sure that the code is completely safe. But he could get the code to beta state to be examined by someone or even audited

< vthor > I hope on Monday I have the first image for the hardware und would preferable not wasting much time for win32/macOS emulator, it was mainly to show the progress and while I ave not all the hardware yet (I have in the meanwhile).

< plowsof > the original tasks (some of) have been voided by recent advancements in the ecosystem, e.g. polyseed support is extra.. monero gui support,.. extra... Monero UR (which feather and ANON suppoer) replaces the old 'PortableQR' which hackerindustrials made

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Ok so more of a "hostile takeover" than recanman's. Which is fine

< plowsof > rottenwheel was funded by the community to attend monerokon this year, via kuno and currently has a ccs open

< plowsof > k. Revuo Monero maintenance (2024 Q3)

< plowsof > the community had invested 8kusd (xmr equivalent) into monero moon via the ccs per https://text.is/X9910/raw @ 300 ~ per issue , and this proposal is 100$ per issue

< plowsof > food for thought

< h​into:monero.social > +1 to transferring old seedsigner funds to vthor if it means work will actually get done

< r​ucknium:monero.social > I lean toward +1 to vthor's proposal

< c​t:xmr.mx > +1 for seedsigner, very cool project

< plowsof > promises of 45 days from now to completion with major progress (surpassing the original author)

< vthor > rucknium I don't understand how people could lose fund's through "not enough experienced" in cryptgraphy. The device is meant to be airgapped and offline. The generation of the keys is done via dices and random data vom camera like SeedSigner. I'm not a cryptographer, but I dedicate myself a long time with cryptography, well mostly in secure communication.

< r​ucknium:monero.social > For example, through the Monero burning bug. If you don't know what that is yet, you will need to learn about it.

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Or make funds unrecoverable through corrupted keys, sending XMR into a black hole

< vthor > I need to mention that I didn't sleep yet and maybe (happens sometimes) I got it in the wrong way. Could you please later address your conserns to me in a private chat?

< r​ucknium:monero.social > No

< r​ucknium:monero.social > There is not reason not to do it in a public channel

< vthor > rucknium, ok, I will need to learn about monero burning bug.

< r​ucknium:monero.social > Thank you

< vthor > Okay, only didn't wont to disturb the meeting, but wanted to now the conserns :)

< plowsof > the meeting is all but over unless

< r​ucknium:monero.social > I read a book about open source. It said to have as many conversations in public so they can be referenced later, observers can see what's going on, etc. It made sense to me

< vthor > Was not to hide anything, honestly, couldn't figure out how to take it. But your response made sense to me.

< DataHoarder > I'll cycle the bridge so it gets the new channel

< plowsof > any other business?

< DataHoarder > untimely restart

< plowsof > xD

< plowsof > going over-time has its consequences, my apologies

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