Trashbin support

[hriekehof]

I was not able to find something on this on the web. In Nextcloud 12 when i deleted something from a group folder, it showed up in my personal trashbin and i could restore it.

I recently updated to Nextcloud 13 and now when i delete a file from a group folder it doesn't show up in my personal trashbin anymore.

Is this how its supposed to work ? I really need a way to restore files which were accidentally deleted from group folders.

Thanks for your help

[rogatec]

This problem occurs also in Nextcloud 13.

How is everyone handling this issue?
If someone deletes a file in a group folder the file is also gone from the file system.
I am currently using rsync to backup the group folder without --delete parameter

[BloodyIron]

I've just been testing this app, and honestly, this reason alone makes this app completely a liability for my data.

Consider the following... what if a rogue admin just deletes a group folder? There is no restore, nor file retention, it's just done. What am I supposed to do to protect against this? Or hell, even just accidental "whoops clicked on the wrong one"?

This is COMPLETELY a blocker for me, and I am not going to use this app as a result of this.

This is a useful app in concept, but until this gets addressed, this SIGNIFICANTLY compromises data integrity in the nextCloud ecosystem.

[hriekehof]

I think its clear that the trashbin is a really needed feature. I'm very happy that someone from nextcloud is working on that :) 👍

[putt1ck]

@MorrisJobke is this an enhancement if some version of the functionality was previously available?

[hriekehof]

Also in Version 12 the trashbin didn't worked that well. Deleted files only appeard in there for a few minutes. If you forget to restore them directly they were gone.

[putt1ck]

@icewind1991 let me know if there's anything we can do to help

[BloodyIron]

Well, for me, I just started trialing the app. Since it has no trashbin tie-in, it breaks the whole restore ecosystem baked into nextCloud. As far as I'm concerned, this is new functionality that is needed.

[gtchm]

This is EXTREMELY severe. Is it possible to have an ETA for a fix?

[BloodyIron]

I agree that this is extremely severe.

[gtchm]

At least, can we have a popup that warns for content being forever deleted?

[BloodyIron]

@gtchm while I understand why you propose such a thing, I must disagree with it on principle. I think it makes the breaking of the trash bin functionality acceptable. IMO, the fact group folders CAN break the trash bin functionality is a serious problem in-and-of-itself, as it breaks the consistent experience users generally would come to expect.

Adding a warning can make developers complacent about the discrepancy of features, that IMO shouldn't exist in the first place.

A user should NEVER have to worry about whether the trash bin works for the scope they are working in or not.

[gtchm]

I understand what you are saying, but I believe we need urgent action on this matter to preserve the usability of this software, which I love, but w/out being able to retrieve accidentally deleted data, it is not usable. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer so I cannot help, but heck, I would be willing to pay to get this sorted. I have no clue on how this work in this community, so I'm asking genuinely... should we put like $50 each so the developer can invest time to fix this problem?

[pascalBokBok]

scary stuff. What is the timespan on getting the trashbin?
We will have to migrate back to non-group folders for now.

[zippytiff]

hi, just wondering how active this app is?

I just had a deep bug on passwords and i was fixed within 24 hours

ZT

[terrar]

Is there a timeline when trashbin and notification will work again?
I would really need this.

[terrar]

really?
not to answer is the best way to handle this bug?

[pascalBokBok]

@terrar , As another user I can say that mounting a folder on the server as external storage (local) instead solved our problem with missing trashbin and versions. That will basically give you the same as the group folder.

[ArnY]

Hello,

Nextcloud is working on it. It requires deep changes. They are planning to release those with NC 15.

[icewind1991]

Trashbin and versioning support is currently in master and should work with the latest NC15 rc.

[Nils160988]

Latest Master together with NC 15RC1 works!

[hriekehof]

Works for me too now 👍

[winstonford]

version 15.0.2

I moved a group folder, got 423 lock errors, and the trash immediately grew to consume all disk space:
/var/snap/nextcloud/common/nextcloud/data/__groupfolders/trash/2
19.7 GiB [##########]

doing
nextcloud.occ trashbin:cleanup
does not empty the above trash.

How do I empty group trash?

[winstonford]

One of my machines just connected, begin to sync, and group folders trash instantly grew by 2gb.

/var/snap/nextcloud/common/nextcloud/data/__groupfolders/trash/2
21.9 GiB [##########]

[dirkpape]

this happens for me to. Version 15.0.4

One of my machines just connected, begin to sync, and group folders trash instantly grew by 2gb.

/var/snap/nextcloud/common/nextcloud/data/__groupfolders/trash/2
21.9 GiB [##########]

this happens for me, too.

[Beeez]

Is this a thing at all yet? I had ran out of storage due to a Group Folders trash bin becoming full.

[biva]

@icewind1991 I see new messages after this issues has been closed. I hesitate to use GroupFolders in my NC instance, but those messages are showing remaining important issues regarding the trash management: is it really solved? Thanks

[feutl]

Seems still not properly integrated.
trashbin_retention_obligation does not work for group folders which is not good and fills up the disk.

[mesiah1970-haydar]

Hello and Good morning,

yes I agree, the group folders trashbin should expire. Maybe we can achieve this with a extra option in the group folder app, or create a new group folder occ command. It could be something simple, which could help people to get out of the trashbin mess. Please help us!

Rgds

Haydar

[ntinti]

Any news about this?

[mesiah1970-haydar]

unfortunately not, depends when the developers have time. I cannot accuse them, since they are definitely involved in other projects. Maybe one of them has mercy about us;-)

[SimJoSt]

There is a separate issue for this here: #345
Please post comments and experiences regarding this there.