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| # Node.js Technical Steering Committee (TSC) Meeting 2021-10-06 | ||
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| ## Links | ||
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| * **Recording**: <https://youtu.be/CYv575Bps9M> | ||
| * **GitHub Issue**: <https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1092> | ||
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| ## Present | ||
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| * Antoine du Hamel @aduh95 (TSC) | ||
| * Beth Griggs @BethGriggs (TSC) | ||
| * Ruben Bridgewater @BridgeAR (TSC) | ||
| * Сковорода Никита Андреевич @ChALkeR (TSC) | ||
| * Colin Ihrig @cjihrig (TSC) | ||
| * Danielle Adams @danielleadams (TSC) | ||
| * Gireesh Punathil @gireeshpunathil (TSC) | ||
| * Matteo Collina @mcollina (TSC) | ||
| * Michael Dawson @mhdawson (TSC) | ||
| * Myles Borins @MylesBorins (TSC) | ||
| * Michaël Zasso @targos (TSC) | ||
| * Rich Trott @Trott (TSC) | ||
| * Bradley Farias @bmeck (Guest) | ||
| * Jordan Harband @ljharb (Guest) | ||
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| ## Agenda | ||
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| ### Announcements | ||
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| * 17.0.0 coming this month, 16.x goes LTS | ||
| * NodeConf on in 2 weeks | ||
| * Security release next week | ||
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| ### CPC and Board Meeting Updates | ||
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| * No board meeting update this week | ||
| * No update this week, no CPC meeting this week. | ||
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| *Extracted from **tsc-agenda** labeled issues and pull requests from the **nodejs org** prior to the meeting. | ||
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| ### nodejs/node | ||
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| * doc: add initial list of technical priorities [#40235](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/40235) | ||
| * Michael FYI to TSC, please review, comments. | ||
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| * Replace OpenSSL 1.1.1 with OpenSSL 3.0.0 [#40106](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/40106) | ||
| * deps: update openssl to quictls/openssl 3.0.0+quic (wip) [#38512](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/38512) | ||
| * No concerns/objections from those in the meeting today? | ||
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| * module: unflag import assertions [#39921](https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/39921) | ||
| * Antoine - going to be discussed in next loaders meeting, if goes well don’t need input | ||
| from TSC. | ||
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| * Rename default branch from "master" to "main" [#33864](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/33864) | ||
| * a few more moved over, some discussion on how we address the core repo. | ||
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| * Migration of core modules to primordials [#30697](https://github.com/nodejs/node/issues/30697) | ||
| * Bradley | ||
| * Different arguments on why/purpose | ||
| * From my perspective primordials are not the goal, but they are a technique for making parts | ||
| of Node.js more robust in the face of tampering | ||
| * For most environments, the loading mechanism, the part that puts code into executable | ||
| space is protected. Often done by signing/integrity checks. It’s about knowing when you load | ||
| code off disk, people have not tampered with that file | ||
| * Primordials make contribution extremely difficult to node core. | ||
| * Would be easier if we ported parts off of core off our own “dialect” would be good to port in | ||
| way that is not subject to pollution. Before primordials we used safe globals | ||
| * If we defined defensible parts of node core and then restricted it to just that it would help | ||
| enabling contributors. | ||
| * Gireesh, what do you think the impact would be on performance? | ||
| * Personally don’t think that performance needs to be great when it’s enabled | ||
| * Matteo, why is it ok for loading things be slow? | ||
| * Bradley should not slow it down from where it is now | ||
| * Slow part is integrity checks, opt in | ||
| * Primordials, we have seen perf challenges, cannot easily make 2 paths. | ||
| * Ruben, transpiling of code to make opt-in, | ||
| * Bradley, many large projects tried that but were not successful, so don’t think it will work | ||
| * Recommendation | ||
| * Move parts of core out of JavaScript(C/C++, WASM, something else?) mark those as defensible parts | ||
| * CommonJS loader, not filesystem, not path lookup | ||
| * ESM Loader (already pretty good) | ||
| * Policy Mechanism | ||
| * Http or remote code loading. | ||
| * Matteo that would pull in all core | ||
| * Bradley if you run on separate thread then ok | ||
| * Move the rest back to regular JavaScript | ||
| * Should not change bar for contributing for this part as already high, by doing this we could improve for the other areas. | ||
| * Jordan | ||
| * Strange if I can trivially break unrelated code. For example if I delete builtins in Node.js lots of | ||
| things will fail. Feels strange that platform is brittle in this way. Discovered by testing built-ins | ||
| * More concrete topic is mechanism that it makes it self robust. The current approach (because | ||
| no solution language) is not ergonomic and V8 does not optimize. | ||
| * No attachment to current approach, but don’t know of a better one. | ||
| * TC39 bind proposal might help us avoid the performance cliffs that we are seeing | ||
| * The questions that have been discussed in the primordials calls have been | ||
| * stop | ||
| * do at all costs | ||
| * do some carefully | ||
| * just do module loading paths, but hard as it uses other parts of Node.js | ||
| * My proposal would be to | ||
| * continue to harden against this tampering | ||
| * work on specific cases where there is a performance cliff | ||
| * Prioritize robustness and compromise when necessary | ||
| * Matteo | ||
| * One additional impact, JEST for example does work in some cases because of the | ||
| primordials. By removing the functionality it does have an impact | ||
| * GraphQL module does instanceof, using in JEST. | ||
| * Michael Z, problem with JEST is because they run in a vm, that is what causes the problem | ||
| * Bradley, TC39 does have a terms for the things you cannot replace globally. “Undeniables”. | ||
| Trying to state that it is safe to replace globals, it is not true based on TC39 | ||
| * Antoine - new TC39 bind proposal does this change anything for our case (<https://github.com/js-choi/proposal-bind-this-operator>) | ||
| * Bradley, still think it would still be a specific odd dialect of JavaScript. | ||
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| ### nodejs/TSC | ||
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| * To be or not to be in core [#1041](https://github.com/nodejs/TSC/issues/1041) | ||
| * Rich, last week agreed to try to consolidate into pull request | ||
| * <https://github.com/nodejs/node/pull/40338> | ||
| * Michael one comment is whether it should be limited for any functionality. | ||
| * Matteo agreed should be more general | ||
| ## Strategic Initiatives | ||
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| * Core Promise APIs no update | ||
| * V8 Currency | ||
| * V8 version 9.4 should be updated today, | ||
| * PR to update to 9.5, hope we can get into 17.x, but there are issues with compilation on | ||
| windows, but not sure if it will be in time. | ||
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| ## Upcoming Meetings | ||
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| * **Node.js Foundation Calendar**: <https://nodejs.org/calendar> | ||
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| Click `+GoogleCalendar` at the bottom right to add to your own Google calendar. |