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Remove China-related issues #6509

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Qu3tzal opened this issue Oct 30, 2019 · 92 comments

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

List of issues that may be China-related :
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#6288 is not China related.
#6289 is not really related but still mentions Uyghurs
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#6337 is technically not related, but from the context you can guess it is
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6485 is not China related.
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@NainbowCat NainbowCat commented Oct 30, 2019

wow this is intense
thanks for organizing

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@reyqn reyqn commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

No, I don't care actually. This is freedom of speech. That you accept the author's ideas or not is not our problem. If you don't agree, fork and maintain your own Notepad++, rebase with every commit from here and even add pro-China comments in it if you want.

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@sjennison sjennison commented Oct 30, 2019

FYI #6485 appears to be a legit bug report caught in the mess

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@dongyingt dongyingt commented Oct 30, 2019

公道自在人心,正义终将到来。

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

#6288 has nothing to do with the Chinese topic. I just advise the Notepad++ author to focus on the technical field and not to cross technical and political issues.

I recommend @Qu3tzal to persuade Notepad++ authors to remove this article

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@NainbowCat NainbowCat commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

a slave thinks he speaks in his master's behalf, this is what happened.

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

Americans love the United States and Chinese love China. What do you want to say?

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

a slave thinks he speaks in his master's behalf, this is what happened.

Can you publish such racist remarks in the United States?

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

@alexinea Yes. Have you heard of Fox News?

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.

I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

@alexinea Yes. Have you heard of Fox News?

No matter what media organization, their news is not necessarily true. We must be good at thinking independently, not being influenced by the ruling party and the media. Do you think it is right?

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.

I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

They should be removed. The topic of technology sites should not involve politics.

The political content of Notepad++ official website should also be deleted together.

What do you think?

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@reyqn reyqn commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

Americans love the United States and Chinese love China. What do you want to say?

Well people criticizing the US regime, for example, don't get nearly that much backlash. But yeah, there are stupid people everywhere. Nothing anybody can do about that.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

and what you have said has touched our baseline.

@penghubingzhou I can’t believe I’m quoting Ben Shapiro, but facts don’t care about your feelings.

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

Americans love the United States and Chinese love China. What do you want to say?

Well people criticizing the US regime, for example, don't get nearly that much backlash. But yeah, there are stupid people everywhere. Nothing anybody can do about that.

This needs to be based on a foundation that is to criticize the truth, not on things that are not proven.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

I'm Uyghurs

@penghubingzhou Uyghur names are not romanized in pinyin. Not even on their official documents. Astrosurfing?

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@sjennison sjennison commented Oct 30, 2019

@alexinea what the author says on their website is their choice, as it is their public platform. People say all sorts of hateful and terrible things on their own sites all the time, and if the "public opinion" decides that's too much for them, they stop going to that site.

Spamming an unrelated website, in direct violation of that site's rules, is both ineffective and will quickly be deleted.

If there's truly this much trouble over this decision, that discussion can be had, but GitHub is not the place to do it. Nor is it the place to display blatant racism, as some of the comments have. That is against GitHub's rules and will not help anything.

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.
I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

They should be removed. The topic of technology sites should not involve politics.
The political content of Notepad++ official website should also be deleted together.
What do you think?

The founder of N++ has the fullest right to express his politcal beliefs without fear of retaliation from an angry mob.

The premise of free critique is to criticize the truth, rather than criticizing it based on unconfirmed news.

Freedom of speech does not mean anything can be said.

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@reyqn reyqn commented Oct 30, 2019

Is the regime in your country so fragile that you have to defend it so vehemently?

Americans love the United States and Chinese love China. What do you want to say?

Well people criticizing the US regime, for example, don't get nearly that much backlash. But yeah, there are stupid people everywhere. Nothing anybody can do about that.

This needs to be based on a foundation that is to criticize the truth, not on things that are not proven.

Do you mean the Uyghur claims are totally unfounded and nothing about it is remotely true?

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

what the author says on their website is their choice, as it is their public platform. People say all sorts of hateful and terrible things on their own sites all the time, and if the "public opinion" decides that's too much for them, they stop going to that site.

Spamming an unrelated website, in direct violation of that site's rules, is both ineffective and will quickly be deleted.

If there's truly this much trouble over this decision, that discussion can be had, but GitHub is not the place to do it. Nor is it the place to display blatant racism, as some of the comments have. That is against GitHub's rules and will not help anything.

What you said makes sense. None of us should discuss this issue on github.

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@dartraiden dartraiden commented Oct 30, 2019

You should think about why someone annoyed us

Spam, DDoS and other dirty things must be stopped, no matter who they come from. If you do not agree with your opponent, convince him with arguments, but not with violence.

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@clavinet clavinet commented Oct 30, 2019

You should think about why someone annoyed us

fun fact: this isn't China here and people can say what they want. Being so mad you open 1000 issues just shows how utterly pathetic you people are.

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@sjennison sjennison commented Oct 30, 2019

@alexinea thank you for understanding.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

Nope, I have joined Chinese school for a early age.

@penghubingzhou So you are saying Ugyhurs are not Chinese.

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.
I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

They should be removed. The topic of technology sites should not involve politics.
The political content of Notepad++ official website should also be deleted together.
What do you think?

The founder of N++ has the fullest right to express his politcal beliefs without fear of retaliation from an angry mob.

The premise of free critique is to criticize the truth, rather than criticizing it based on unconfirmed news.
Freedom of speech does not mean anything can be said.

At risk of getting political, the treatment of Uyghurs in China is in no way unconfirmed news.

Only Uighur people have the power to answer this question. The Uighurs here do not refer to one individual or two, but to most Uighurs.

I recommend @Qu3tzal to close this issue. There are too many useless discussions with anger and fake news.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

@penghubingzhou That is correct. You literally won’t go to jail over that.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

@penghubingzhou We tease our own countries on prime time TV. Do you think your state is founded on a house of cards that a few words can make it fold?

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@alexinea alexinea commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.
I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

They should be removed. The topic of technology sites should not involve politics.
The political content of Notepad++ official website should also be deleted together.
What do you think?

The founder of N++ has the fullest right to express his politcal beliefs without fear of retaliation from an angry mob.

The premise of free critique is to criticize the truth, rather than criticizing it based on unconfirmed news.
Freedom of speech does not mean anything can be said.

At risk of getting political, the treatment of Uyghurs in China is in no way unconfirmed news.

Only Uighur people have the power to answer this question. The Uighurs here do not refer to one individual or two, but to most Uighurs.
I recommend @Qu3tzal to close this issue. There are too many useless discussions with anger and fake news.

if there‘s no one to tease my homeland, I won't be so angry.

From the perspective of popular psychology, the wisdom of the group is infinitely close to zero.

In addition, BBC and CNN are good at making fake news, as is well known. People have grown up in this kind of fake news since childhood, and it is difficult for us to tell them what is true. Therefore, we Chinese must build the country to be more prosperous, strong, and modern, so that more Westerners can come to China to see and walk in person.

Those who rely on youtube think that they know Chinese in the West and don’t know the truth. They are just the squad and victim of Western politicians and interest groups. There are keyboard man in China and there are also in the West.

The time to break the curse of the BBC and CNN is not far off.

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@steamp0rt steamp0rt commented Oct 30, 2019

Why are there so many arguments about China on the Github for a FOSS editor?

I mean, it's a really good FOSS editor, but... why?

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@collinoswalt collinoswalt commented Oct 30, 2019

How many uyghurs and falun gong did China slaughter? How many Chinese did they slaughter in Tiananmen Square 1989?
like white dog killed million of indians in 1770s hun?

10,000 people were murdered by your government 30 years ago. Millions of Uyghur are being murdered today

So why an I here?

Because china is run by Han Chinese

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@Logiar Logiar commented Oct 30, 2019

You know why you know that? Because USA is very public about their crime statistics. You wanna know who isn't?

as I Know, this data is public in China too.

Post your sources then, go google Tinnamen Masscare on your computer right now and see what happens

then you should go to see CCTV 13 and Ifeng and read the news carefully.

You mean your state controlled channel which is known to spread false propaganda?

so why dare you watch goverment monitored website?

wat?

don‘t tell me you don't know Edward Snowden

Of course I do. Your previous question makes no sense though.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

If any American is reading this, don’t forget to vote guys.

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@Avalancheeee Avalancheeee commented Oct 30, 2019

Yet another victim of the Chinese regime

lmao sending love n kisses to the uranium mines

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@timvisee timvisee commented Oct 30, 2019

Lock creating new issues. This can be done in the repository settings.

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@proteriax proteriax commented Oct 30, 2019

@notepadgodie admitting ban evasion, always a solid strategy to not get banned for violating ToS

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@mrhugo13 mrhugo13 commented Oct 30, 2019

Death is inevetable

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@lhprojects lhprojects commented Oct 30, 2019

@sjennison Thanks I was looking for it.
@alexinea This is a full debate but the author here still has ownership of his work.
@CannibalKush Both should be banned.
I need to remove the ones that are already deleted, they are 404 links.

They should be removed. The topic of technology sites should not involve politics.
The political content of Notepad++ official website should also be deleted together.
What do you think?

The founder of N++ has the fullest right to express his politcal beliefs without fear of retaliation from an angry mob.

But not in official release note.

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@jdabs jdabs commented Oct 30, 2019

Just wanted to post in this epic bread. Open source projects don't have to bend a knee for profits, Winnie

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@81Denton 81Denton commented Oct 30, 2019

Please include me in the screencap

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@RandomGuyDTB RandomGuyDTB commented Oct 30, 2019

Jesus Christ, guys.

An open-source project like this shouldn't be involved in politics because it is not inherently political. Every China-related issue should be removed immediately, and the posters banned. The update title itself is not political by itself; the request to end a slaughter is in the benefit of all of us humans and it's probably good that Notepad++ is helping spread awareness of the massacres happening right now.

The Hong Kong protests are politics, and the update title did not directly reference them. At all. Neither did it reference the Chinese government and administration or their fascism. I haven't fully digested everything that's happening right now though so maybe N++ did in another statement or something.

Not only should the spammers be banned from N++ but they should probably be banned from Github for engaging in spam/mob behavior. "Please include me in the screencap" and "Just popping in this epic bred" are also spam.

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@xezno xezno commented Oct 30, 2019

Not only should the spammers be banned from N++ but they should probably be banned from Github for engaging in spam/mob behavior. "Please include me in the screencap" and "Just popping in this epic bred" are also spam.

This seems a little too far, doesn't it? We've already got a number of spammers that are creating issue after issue that should be banned; there's no real use in banning the people that are just commenting on them.

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

Some very active accounts (with a true history of participation on Github, not accounts created for the spam) have been banned which already decreased the number of comments (this issue had +150 comments a few hours ago).

If you find an account that has a "true" history and is writing insults/spamming it is worth to take 2 minutes to report them.

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@jdabs jdabs commented Oct 30, 2019

Yes, ban active contributors for merely using legitimate features to make harmless comments. They are clearly the source of the spam according to your deep research

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@81Denton 81Denton commented Oct 30, 2019

In all honesty, I'd just report the wumaos to GitHub and move on. There is nothing to be gained in arguing with state-sponsored actors.

It's a bit sad that Microsoft doesn't seem to offer proper anti spam measures though.

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@Andre601 Andre601 commented Oct 30, 2019

Is it actually allowed to post images on GitHub depicting violence, blood and gore? I don't think so which is why I would like if either the authors of those comments (@Avalancheeee and @collinoswalt) would remove the images, or the maintainer of this repo would do that.

Before saying anything. I have nothing against you guys giving your opinion, but this doesn't make posting images of violence, gore, blood, and inhuman stuff okay by any means. There are other places for this but GitHub is none of them.

I also filed a report to GitHub staff, so that they can look into this and ban/remove the users that made those spam issues. In the mean time do I hope that the people of NP++ blocked (most of) them to prevent any future spam or at least reduce it.

Links to the comments:
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@jdabs jdabs commented Oct 30, 2019

In all honesty, I'd just report the wumaos to GitHub and move on. There is nothing to be gained in arguing with state-sponsored actors.

It's a bit sad that Microsoft doesn't seem to offer proper anti spam measures though.

Microsoft does but on a more macro scale. State sponsorship from China has led to GitHub getting dossed to the point of going offline. This is I think a very interesting development in open source work and it's not going to be pretty in the future, so we have to get used to it. Just my thoughts

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@xezno xezno commented Oct 30, 2019

It's a bit sad that Microsoft doesn't seem to offer proper anti spam measures though.

While it is disappointing, you could still argue that it hasn't actually been 100% necessary until now because events like this don't really occur that often.

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

@jdabs Not contributors to this repo but others. For example this user: https://github.com/AndroidLMY has a "true" account history but spammed issue (the #6481)

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@protonchang protonchang commented Oct 30, 2019

What exactly is going on here?

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@xezno xezno commented Oct 30, 2019

What exactly is going on here?

People (mainly from China) are getting worked up over a recent controversial release of Notepad++ but instead of fostering clean discussion have taken to spamming multiple new issues, containing death threats and vulgar behaviour / language, instead.

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@Qu3tzal Qu3tzal commented Oct 30, 2019

@protonchang Notepad++ released the last version with the title "Free Uyghurs", pro-Chinese people came and spammed the issues (1500~2000 issues created in ~10h) and it got sometimes pretty heated in the comments of these issues. This issue was then created to try to sort out the true issues and the spam ones but it got unmanageable. Then a lot of arguing happened here between (mainly) a pro-China (who got later banned) and other users.

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@protonchang protonchang commented Oct 30, 2019

@Qu3tzal @xezno
I see. Thanks for the tip.

It shouldn't take too much time to clean those spam issues.

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@yookoala yookoala commented Oct 30, 2019

In the free countries around the world, people are free to express political views wherever they want. Its not unheard of that you'd see protest in sport events, or political views in commercial product.

And inheritently open sources software movement, which centered on the people's freedom and right to access programming software and knowledge, is deeply political. People fight for years for a world where you can make phones with a free and open source system (Android). This is politics in action.

In the spirit of supporting freedom of other fellow human being, it is a respectful move to name a software release as an endorsement to freedom of people.

It is only childish to say that an open source developer is bound to separate politics and technology.

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@RandomGuyDTB RandomGuyDTB commented Oct 30, 2019

What ? are you saying you're commenting about something you don't understand ?

If I found that my understanding was incorrect I would have edited my comment on the matter.

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@Mikotochan Mikotochan commented Oct 30, 2019

公道自在人心,正义终将到来。

eeeeeeeeh, not really

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@Ratstail91 Ratstail91 commented Nov 5, 2019

You know. I have an idea. To show how wrong people are about China you should go out in the streets, talk to people and post a video about what locals say about the situation especially the Uyghur since they're the subject of this particular conflict. Post it on youtube and add subtitles in English so people can understand. I'm sure you'll have this misunderstanding cleared up in no time.

Good idea,But u know? Some of my Adams have done for that. Guess what? the video has been deleted. It means somebody don't want us to show that.

Chinese people have access to youtube now?

nope,but can access by VPN. I'm also the one in it.

VPN usage to evade the blocks is legal in China?

so many questiones, you should first learn China then to judge it.

I'm asking questions. Not judging. Isn't asking questions a natural step of learning?

Not in China.

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