ENH: Python 3.13 support

[lithomas1]

Python 3.13b1 is out, which means its time to start looking into Python 3.13 support!

Steps

• Verify support in dependencies (numpy/Cython)
• Python Dev CI testing (potentially with nogil, JIT?)
• Wheels
• Release and whatsnew
• Regular CI testing

[jwd83]

HI, just curious if there has been any progress getting pandas running on 3.13. I built the JIT enabled version of python 3.13 on windows and went to try it with a number of internal tools but ran into build problems trying to get pandas package installed on 3.13. It seems to fail during the numpy portion of the build. Here is the console output from pip. Apologies if this does not belong here or I have made some other major oversight.

Collecting pandas
  Using cached pandas-2.2.2.tar.gz (4.4 MB)
  Installing build dependencies ... error
  error: subprocess-exited-with-error

  × pip subprocess to install build dependencies did not run successfully.
  │ exit code: 1
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        Using cached meson-1.2.1-py3-none-any.whl.metadata (1.7 kB)
      Collecting wheel
        Using cached wheel-0.43.0-py3-none-any.whl.metadata (2.2 kB)
      Collecting Cython==3.0.5
        Using cached Cython-3.0.5-py2.py3-none-any.whl.metadata (3.2 kB)
      Collecting numpy>=2.0.0rc1
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        exit code: 1

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        ..\numpy\meson.build:389: WARNING: The variable(s) 'BLAS_INCLUDEDIR', 'BLAS_LIBDIR', 'BLAS_OPENBLAS_CONFIG', 'BLAS_PCFILEDIR', 'BLAS_TYPE_NAME', 'BLAS_VERSION' in the input file 'numpy\__config__.py.in' are not present in the given configuration data.
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        ..\numpy\_core\meson.build:171:4: ERROR: Problem encountered: "complex.h" header does not include complex type complex float

        A full log can be found at C:\Users\jared\AppData\Local\Temp\pip-install-__8utyq8\numpy_4569bf49982840bc8c08474080c66a12\.mesonpy-y97ho32v\meson-logs\meson-log.txt
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        note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.
      error: metadata-generation-failed

      Encountered error while generating package metadata.

      See above for output.

      note: This is an issue with the package mentioned above, not pip.
      hint: See above for details.
      [end of output]

  note: This error originates from a subprocess, and is likely not a problem with pip.
error: subprocess-exited-with-error

× pip subprocess to install build dependencies did not run successfully.
│ exit code: 1
╰─> See above for output.

[lithomas1]

I can't help you with the compiling numpy part, but I just wanted to point out that you can install numpy nightlies, which should have python 3.13 wheels available.

pip install -i https://pypi.anaconda.org/scientific-python-nightly-wheels/simple numpy

[jwd83]

I can't help you with the compiling numpy part, but I just wanted to point out that you can install numpy nightlies, which should have python 3.13 wheels available.

pip install -i https://pypi.anaconda.org/scientific-python-nightly-wheels/simple numpy

Hey, thanks for taking the time to reply.

My memory is a little hazy on this now as it was a few weeks back but I believe I tried that approach and was able to get standalone numpy to build using a cherrypicked version but when I went on to and tried to install pandas and requested that it not resolve dependencies (so to use my just built version of numpy) I recall that it seemed to ignore that option and still tried to build whatever specific version of numpy it wanted. It's certainly possible I fudged a CLI option or am misremembering something.

[lysnikolaou]

Hey folks!

I'm planning to spend time on fixing any issues related to the new 3.13 free threaded build of CPython in the upcoming weeks. I've already started testing pandas with it. There's quite a few test failures, but most of them are related to 3.13 and not the free-threaded build itself:

1. There's a few failures related to missing PyQT and PyArrow, since both of those are not yet ready for the free threaded build (I didn't try to install Qt and build PyQT from source, that may be worth trying out?).
2. There's quite a few failures related to the csv module raising a ValueError in a call to register_dialect.
3. The rest of the failures are all related to error messages having changed and thus pytest.raises failing.

(This is all tested with the nightly NumPy and Cython wheels)

I'll start investigating further issues that might be there and let everyone know about my progress. I'd also love to talk to anyone who might be trying this out as well, so that we can collaborate better on this effort.

One remaining question: Should I open a new tracking issue for issues specifically related to free threading or should I use this one?

[lithomas1]

Hi @lysnikolaou,

Thanks for working on this.

I am currently working on fixing regular Python 3.13 test failures in #58776. I'm down to 9 failures there.
I haven't taken a look at free-threading yet, but this is definitely something that's interesting to me.
(thanks for starting on this!)

1. There's a few failures related to missing PyQT and PyArrow, since both of those are not yet ready for the free threaded build (I didn't try to install Qt and build PyQT from source, that may be worth trying out?).

Qt is probably not too important here, but if you're able to investigate

(This is all tested with the nightly NumPy and Cython wheels)

I'll start investigating further issues that might be there and let everyone know about my progress. I'd also love to talk to anyone who might be trying this out as well, so that we can collaborate better on this effort.

One remaining question: Should I open a new tracking issue for issues specifically related to free threading or should I use this one?

Please do, it's probably better to separate the general 3.13 compatibility issues from the free threading stuff

P.S.
I wonder how well pandas does with the Python 3.13 JIT 🤔
Is this something you've taken a look at yet?

[lysnikolaou]

Hey @lithomas1! Happy to collaborate on this!

I am currently working on fixing regular Python 3.13 test failures in #58776. I'm down to 9 failures there.

Great! The rest of the failures appear to be changes in error messages, so should we expect to get that PR in relatively soon?

Qt is probably not too important here, but if you're able to investigate

Agreed. I'll try to dive into pandas-specific issues first and only later spend time on PyQT if it absolutely necessary. It might make sense for us to skip these tests PyQT related tests when PyQT is not installed.

Please do, it's probably better to separate the general 3.13 compatibility issues from the free threading stuff

I'll open a new tracking issue soon.

I wonder how well pandas does with the Python 3.13 JIT 🤔 Is this something you've taken a look at yet?

No, I haven't tried that out.

[lithomas1]

Oops, I forgot to finish my sentence
(meant to say if you're able to take at Arrow stuff, that would be nice, as even though Arrow is optional for now, we are pretty tightly integrated with it).

Other than that, a PR adjusting the error messages would be nice.
I have Python 3.13 CI set up in #58776. If you'd like you could target a PR to my fork, or make a new PR with the Github workflow changes there.

[lysnikolaou]

meant to say if you're able to take at Arrow stuff, that would be nice, as even though Arrow is optional for now, we are pretty tightly integrated with it

I can check that after we're done with the pandas extension modules themselves, sure.

Other than that, a PR adjusting the error messages would be nice.

I'll get started on that then.