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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Ok time to test out v0.11.8-pre :)","date":"2013-10-09T00:08:10.737Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Is NativeBuffer an 0.11 thing?","date":"2013-10-09T01:42:40.887Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"so many *Buffer things","date":"2013-10-09T01:42:57.339Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"but yes, it is","date":"2013-10-09T01:43:05.150Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: master looks like it is leaking those","date":"2013-10-09T02:00:24.697Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"heh in your test case?","date":"2013-10-09T02:00:38.782Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"yeah not conclusive yet but now at 200m of ram so it is leaking something","date":"2013-10-09T02:02:07.377Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"joy of joys :)","date":"2013-10-09T02:02:38.418Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"     5c87182aed9    17466        0 Array","date":"2013-10-09T02:03:48.600Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"umm wth","date":"2013-10-09T02:03:53.177Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"nice","date":"2013-10-09T02:04:34.099Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: https://gist.github.com/wolfeidau/6834170#comment-924960","date":"2013-10-09T02:04:51.616Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"mite be my example is broken triple checking","date":"2013-10-09T02:05:20.715Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"a bunch of empty objects and arrays","date":"2013-10-09T02:05:22.719Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Yeah that is NO hard GC atm","date":"2013-10-09T02:06:35.137Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Just out of the box ","date":"2013-10-09T02:06:43.980Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: any idea how to do lsof in solaris with the open socket output?","date":"2013-10-09T02:08:58.073Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"OK i have cores for that test now doing the hard gc","date":"2013-10-09T02:10:30.735Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"pfiles $(pgrep node) ","date":"2013-10-09T02:14:40.767Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"win!","date":"2013-10-09T02:14:45.001Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"let's see where trevnorris moved my cheese to today","date":"2013-10-09T03:36:37.260Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"the short answer is that trevnorris has not yet moved my cheese in any substantial way, just changed some wording in the docs","date":"2013-10-09T05:10:19.245Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"MI6","message":"\u0002nodejs-v0.10-windows\u0002: #248 \u00037UNSTABLE\u000f windows-ia32 (9/601) windows-x64 (10/601) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-v0.10-windows/248/","date":"2013-10-09T06:40:47.584Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"kaeso","message":"bnoordhuis: thanks for landing #942 :) as a side note, do you plan to commit the ad-interim patch for #887 before cutting 0.12?","date":"2013-10-09T09:04:50.474Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"kaeso: yeah, i guess i could do that","date":"2013-10-09T09:14:55.779Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"kaeso","message":"bnoordhuis: I mean, if you aren't going to rewrite it before","date":"2013-10-09T09:16:35.047Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"kaeso","message":"bnoordhuis: that would synch back rust embedded copy to libuv stable","date":"2013-10-09T09:16:55.782Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i don't think i have time for that. there's like a million other things that need to happen before node v0.12","date":"2013-10-09T09:17:04.236Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"so yeah, i guess i'll just land it if it still applies :)","date":"2013-10-09T09:17:14.259Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"kaeso","message":"bnoordhuis: ah ok, then I got the wrong impression that 0.12 was imminent","date":"2013-10-09T09:25:21.346Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"kaeso: well, i was aiming for an 0.12 release in september but then real life got in the way","date":"2013-10-09T09:26:56.448Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/6271#issuecomment-25960586 <- everything is broken :-(","date":"2013-10-09T10:23:44.873Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"the ocaml repl has this very nice feature where if you enter an invalid expression, it jumps back and highlights the incorrect part of the expression","date":"2013-10-09T14:26:48.593Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i'm going to try and port that over to node's repl","date":"2013-10-09T14:27:03.477Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"more often than not I wish the node repl weren't a part of core","date":"2013-10-09T14:50:43.426Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"bnoordhuis: sorry about 6271 btw","date":"2013-10-09T14:51:51.470Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"indutny: is anything else you'd like me to provide for the 10.9 issue for fsevents?","date":"2013-10-09T15:02:29.846Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"and back again","date":"2013-10-09T16:03:48.493Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"tjfontaine: sorry for what?","date":"2013-10-09T16:03:53.608Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"your \"it's all broken\" comment","date":"2013-10-09T16:05:12.364Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"ah well, fixing things up is a way to make a living","date":"2013-10-09T16:05:51.809Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T16:06:00.739Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"MI6","message":"\u0002libuv-master\u0002: #278 \u00037UNSTABLE\u000f windows (3/196) smartos (2/195) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/libuv-master/278/","date":"2013-10-09T16:06:51.587Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i'll probably make libuv unregister pipe fds explicitly in the future","date":"2013-10-09T16:07:21.062Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"requires a bit of work sadly but such is life","date":"2013-10-09T16:07:40.093Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"work is overrated","date":"2013-10-09T16:07:51.161Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"back to figuring out this ssl truncation I guess","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:21.243Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"in v0.10?","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:27.700Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"no, master","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:33.184Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I really want to release 0.11 :<","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:41.455Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"ah, there as well?","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:47.789Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i guess everything is indeed broken :-/","date":"2013-10-09T16:08:53.444Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"yes. the world is falling apart at the seams","date":"2013-10-09T16:09:06.208Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"quite. let me tell you about wireless printer drivers...","date":"2013-10-09T16:10:19.354Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i admit i understand RMS's motivation a lot better now","date":"2013-10-09T16:10:28.997Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"hah","date":"2013-10-09T16:10:45.898Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wireless * drivers","date":"2013-10-09T16:10:52.176Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"MI6","message":"\u0002nodejs-v0.10-windows\u0002: #249 \u00037UNSTABLE\u000f windows-ia32 (11/601) windows-x64 (11/601) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-v0.10-windows/249/","date":"2013-10-09T16:11:00.702Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: virtual hug","date":"2013-10-09T16:32:07.021Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"you gave me some ideas","date":"2013-10-09T16:32:19.152Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I did?","date":"2013-10-09T16:32:23.516Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":":)","date":"2013-10-09T16:32:24.512Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"for everyone: should this async listener stuff be on process, or should it be it's own module?","date":"2013-10-09T16:32:41.055Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"wtf. since the upgrade to 3.20.14.1, allocations through smalloc are +30% slower","date":"2013-10-09T17:18:10.207Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"btw, whats we gonna do bout the ddos thing?","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:04.684Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"*dos","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:14.870Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"let's refer to it from here as 6214 :)","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:25.391Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"dddddddddddddddddddddddddddox","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:25.834Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"s","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:26.880Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"well, how we going to fix 6214","date":"2013-10-09T17:21:55.006Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"isaacs and I discussed it yesterday, just a matter of getting in there and implementing, it shouldn't be too bad -- I was on the right track before but just wasn't as correct as I could have been","date":"2013-10-09T17:22:39.280Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"isaacs","message":"trevnorris: i'll have a pr soon","date":"2013-10-09T17:24:28.312Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"coolio","date":"2013-10-09T17:24:33.945Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i'm just peeved that v8's making my code slower.","date":"2013-10-09T17:24:51.348Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"isaacs","message":"trevnorris: any idea why?","date":"2013-10-09T17:24:59.523Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"isaacs","message":"trevnorris: also, what's the net impact on node?","date":"2013-10-09T17:25:09.912Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"isaacs: haven't done a full analysis. probably not much at the macro level. just mad it added another 100ns to my smalloc impl.","date":"2013-10-09T17:26:05.866Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"went from 200ns for 1 byte smalloc to 300ns!","date":"2013-10-09T17:26:06.081Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"trevnorris: if I get a vote, I want it on process","date":"2013-10-09T17:27:50.197Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"othiym23: okidoki.","date":"2013-10-09T17:28:26.786Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"I buy piscisaureus_'s argument that there's a lot of rando stuff on process already, but there's not really a good module to put it in","date":"2013-10-09T17:28:36.523Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"I guess I wouldn't barf if it ended up in async_listener either, although that complicates things for the polyfill","date":"2013-10-09T17:28:59.998Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"it would be _hidden I thinkk","date":"2013-10-09T17:29:17.562Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"the fact you can't have hyphens in module names that are built into the snapshot is sorta a pain","date":"2013-10-09T17:29:19.681Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"othiym23: was just thinking, a useful thing would be to create a tracker for constructions/destructors and you could call, like, require('async-listener').count();","date":"2013-10-09T17:29:20.650Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and it would give you the number of alive ","date":"2013-10-09T17:29:34.929Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"yeah, but then we have to update that counter, which seems like it could be slow","date":"2013-10-09T17:30:06.070Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"othiym23: are you kidding? this is me you're talking to :P","date":"2013-10-09T17:30:20.253Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"it's simple. you set a counter on the env, which the AsyncWrap class already has a pointer to. then you increment/decrement accordingly.","date":"2013-10-09T17:30:59.792Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"othiym23: I think you slappedhim","date":"2013-10-09T17:31:01.802Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"you pass in an object and assign a uint32_t* as external memory, then set a simple function to return async_listener_info[kCount];","date":"2013-10-09T17:31:42.270Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"whoops","date":"2013-10-09T17:31:45.084Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"sorry trevnorris, I take it back","date":"2013-10-09T17:31:50.455Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"you would never make anything slow ever","date":"2013-10-09T17:31:56.336Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"damn right! ;)","date":"2013-10-09T17:32:03.350Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"yeah, I guess I was mostly just thinking about the polyfill there","date":"2013-10-09T17:32:12.530Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"I can do it, and I guess it won't be super expensive","date":"2013-10-09T17:32:21.871Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T17:32:25.957Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"so yeah, if we're going to but the asyncListener stuff in a module, we should choose a name for the module that is unclaimed so I can use it for the polyfill","date":"2013-10-09T17:34:40.145Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"but it would be simpler for me as the polyfill maintainer if we put it on process","date":"2013-10-09T17:34:53.207Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but, you're saying we can't use \"-\" in a native module?","date":"2013-10-09T17:35:00.778Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"trevnorris: yeah, it won't build, I think maybe it's a gyp or build process issue","date":"2013-10-09T17:35:29.057Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"well we need to fix it!","date":"2013-10-09T17:35:40.126Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"meh","date":"2013-10-09T17:35:43.243Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"do we really need a module with -'s in it at the moment?","date":"2013-10-09T17:35:53.883Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"well, it's part of my grand scheme in v0.13!!!","date":"2013-10-09T17:36:10.994Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"*maniacal laugh*","date":"2013-10-09T17:36:40.737Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"no, we're nod flooding the native module list :)","date":"2013-10-09T17:36:48.936Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"*not","date":"2013-10-09T17:36:51.057Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"right... you say that now.","date":"2013-10-09T17:37:01.132Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","action":"waits patiently","date":"2013-10-09T17:37:06.457Z","type":"action"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"this is going somewhere hilarious","date":"2013-10-09T17:37:19.736Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"dude, i've been planning v0.13 for months.","date":"2013-10-09T17:37:51.415Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I know, but I'm not sure how/why we would just start dumping more things in the module namespace when can just use a getter function","date":"2013-10-09T17:38:20.467Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"it's much deeper than that.","date":"2013-10-09T17:38:38.316Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: what do you think about this? https://github.com/trevnorris/node/compare/smalloc-augment","date":"2013-10-09T17:53:49.185Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":" /cc othiym23 ^","date":"2013-10-09T17:54:01.125Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"hm","date":"2013-10-09T17:54:45.738Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I'm not terribly opposed in principle, I want to figure out a nicer way to genericize it","date":"2013-10-09T17:55:03.535Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"because it already matches how we do some of that perfcounter stuff","date":"2013-10-09T17:56:00.969Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah, but I have one more commit that I'm _sure_ you're going to love. ;P","date":"2013-10-09T17:56:30.017Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"trevnorris: what's the idea behind lines 27 and 28 of lib/smalloc.js?","date":"2013-10-09T17:57:31.405Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"i.e. why bother putting it on process if you're just going to nuke it as soon as the module gets loaded?","date":"2013-10-09T17:57:55.861Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"othiym23: check out 2557 of src/node.cc","date":"2013-10-09T17:58:37.344Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"trevnorris: I'm with tjfontaine, I think it's a useful metric to have, but it seems like the implementation is a little ad hoc","date":"2013-10-09T17:58:37.863Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"it's the easiest way of attaching an internal method","date":"2013-10-09T17:58:57.553Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"OK!","date":"2013-10-09T17:59:04.336Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"seems kinda rando to me, but what do I know","date":"2013-10-09T17:59:10.011Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"well, i'll rethink it when I have more brain cells to spare.","date":"2013-10-09T17:59:28.165Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"also do we want to be deleting stuff off process?","date":"2013-10-09T17:59:38.516Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"I mean, I guess there probably aren't a whole lot of hot paths taking process as a parameter, but my understanding is it's genearlly better to assign undefined so you don't mess with the hidden class","date":"2013-10-09T18:00:14.856Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i'm just adding that stuff to appease piscisaureus_ ","date":"2013-10-09T18:00:18.701Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"(speaking of total micro-optimizations)","date":"2013-10-09T18:00:22.124Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"eh, ok.","date":"2013-10-09T18:00:47.165Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"there is a better way to do all this, but haven't gotten around to it yet.","date":"2013-10-09T18:01:15.360Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"e.g. SetupSmalloc resides in src/smalloc.cc and exported through the process.binding('smalloc')","date":"2013-10-09T18:01:39.317Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"hm. why didn't I just do that. :P","date":"2013-10-09T18:01:51.136Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"othiym23: there, how it should have been done: https://github.com/trevnorris/node/compare/smalloc-augment","date":"2013-10-09T18:05:48.794Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"now, for my devious plan","date":"2013-10-09T18:06:45.624Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"trevnorris: thumbs up","date":"2013-10-09T18:07:02.961Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"got one more insane commit. the sort of stuff that gives me goosebumps.","date":"2013-10-09T18:07:47.250Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"othiym23","message":"such an excellent salesman for controversial ideas","date":"2013-10-09T18:11:39.655Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"we should totally do this better https://github.com/trevnorris/node/compare/smalloc-augment#diff-6f9c1a7b44db3038aba2a445b51edac2R37","date":"2013-10-09T18:12:13.241Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"we shoudl export the constants on the module instead","date":"2013-10-09T18:12:23.902Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"so you kCount = bidning.kCount","date":"2013-10-09T18:12:37.045Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"then there's less worry about shit getting out of sync","date":"2013-10-09T18:12:51.901Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"note taken :)","date":"2013-10-09T18:12:59.217Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I also wonder if really this shouldn't be information we're messaging into process.memory()","date":"2013-10-09T18:15:03.459Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"*memoryUsage","date":"2013-10-09T18:15:08.399Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"whatevs","date":"2013-10-09T18:15:35.973Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i mean, the info _is_ available when you take a heap dump. but having it immediately available seemed useful.","date":"2013-10-09T18:16:17.888Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and the bits are there. so wherever you want to put it","date":"2013-10-09T18:16:35.147Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"you haven't heard me complain about the information, just where and how we're collecting it :)","date":"2013-10-09T18:16:55.020Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah","date":"2013-10-09T18:17:23.613Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i'm just in my little mad scientist lab right now. almost done and ready to commit :)","date":"2013-10-09T18:17:47.204Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"wtf. how is it possible to not have a backtrace?","date":"2013-10-09T18:35:52.639Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"from what?","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:14.280Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"RangeError?","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:27.169Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"just ran a script w/ gdb --args and when I type bt, says no stack","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:27.664Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"no, c++ abort","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:33.037Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"othiym23","message":"oh","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:36.269Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"you crapped on your stack :P","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:37.673Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:43.890Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"you dropped trou and laid a cleveland steamer right on it","date":"2013-10-09T18:36:59.132Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"hah","date":"2013-10-09T18:37:04.932Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"ok. so maybe this is a little _too_ experimental","date":"2013-10-09T18:37:09.643Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but been wanting to try it out for a while.","date":"2013-10-09T18:37:14.835Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"gist?","date":"2013-10-09T18:37:18.229Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: https://gist.github.com/trevnorris/6905980","date":"2013-10-09T18:38:01.540Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"basically, I'm writing to external memory right before calling the function and retrieving the value from memory","date":"2013-10-09T18:38:19.840Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"instead of needing to use ToUint32()","date":"2013-10-09T18:38:29.811Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"eh, figured out what I did wrong","date":"2013-10-09T18:41:28.695Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"um. nope. guess I didn't","date":"2013-10-09T18:41:44.484Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"there we go.","date":"2013-10-09T18:45:53.398Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"ah holy hell. that made it soooo much slower.","date":"2013-10-09T18:46:02.804Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"oh well, wanted to try it out. now I know.","date":"2013-10-09T18:46:14.250Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: you have any moral opposition to something like this? https://github.com/joyent/node/pull/6323","date":"2013-10-09T18:47:36.852Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"amartens","message":"interesting","date":"2013-10-09T18:49:07.419Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: i guess my first question would be 'why?'","date":"2013-10-09T18:58:33.785Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"as in, 'why keep track of that'?","date":"2013-10-09T18:58:41.471Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: I dunno. thought of it while showering and wanted to see if I could. :)","date":"2013-10-09T18:59:05.181Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"part of it stemmed from tjfontaine's opinion that we should track the number of beforeExit's that've been called","date":"2013-10-09T18:59:32.765Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and I though, hey, why not allow quick access to the number of living smalloc objects","date":"2013-10-09T18:59:52.388Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: I honestly don't care. think all this asyncwrap implementation for helping debugging is getting to me...","date":"2013-10-09T19:01:28.810Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"damn you othiym23 and your cls!","date":"2013-10-09T19:01:39.060Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"amartens","message":"tracking things is interesting","date":"2013-10-09T19:02:05.619Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah, but as tjfontaine mentioned it'd be simple to place a couple dtrace macros in there or the like","date":"2013-10-09T19:02:38.204Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"then we wouldn't need to add so much extra code","date":"2013-10-09T19:02:55.074Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"amartens","message":"dtrace isn't available on all platforms that support node, AFAIK?","date":"2013-10-09T19:03:09.982Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"no","date":"2013-10-09T19:03:56.481Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"amartens","message":"if you're already going through the steps to put something in there, why not try to make it available to everyone who uses node?","date":"2013-10-09T19:03:58.564Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"amartens","message":"I mean, if you can do it with minimal performance implications","date":"2013-10-09T19:04:26.815Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"everything I do has ZERO performance implications!!! ;)","date":"2013-10-09T19:05:10.516Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: yeah, that beforeexit tracking thing... it seems kind of pointless","date":"2013-10-09T19:05:35.342Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: i agree","date":"2013-10-09T19:05:41.985Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"tjfontaine: ^","date":"2013-10-09T19:05:53.293Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but then I though in my sleepy stupor this morning, if we're going to track one thing, why not track all the things!","date":"2013-10-09T19:06:20.809Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"alternatively, we could track nothing and call it a day","date":"2013-10-09T19:07:44.189Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i LIKE it","date":"2013-10-09T19:08:00.013Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"amartens: you can use the dtrace tracing infrastructure with systemtap on linux and etw on windows","date":"2013-10-09T19:08:48.120Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tracking c++ stuff manually seems silly. should be possible to analyze externally, right?","date":"2013-10-09T19:09:18.491Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"stuff, as is method calls and such","date":"2013-10-09T19:09:36.384Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"yeah, tools like systemtap and perf can do that","date":"2013-10-09T19:12:19.478Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"if we're going to provide a mechanism that allows ressurecting a node process at will, then I think it's absolutely critical we keep the information around about that","date":"2013-10-09T19:28:15.760Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"the fact that you can observe it at run time is important, but not quite the same from a post mortem standpoint","date":"2013-10-09T19:28:32.881Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"you can observe information about smalloc in a core dump, but we only have findjsobjects for mdb at the moment, so if you didn't happen to tkae a heap dump right before you abort()d","date":"2013-10-09T19:31:02.775Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: other than a simple counter that says \"we resurrected X times before exiting\", what are you wanting to track?","date":"2013-10-09T19:32:09.400Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"at the moment that's all I really care about for that particular feature","date":"2013-10-09T19:32:36.657Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and I guess what I don't understand is what good that value alone will tell you.","date":"2013-10-09T19:33:09.363Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"when you're sitting there with a shitpile of a coredump you never know what will help","date":"2013-10-09T19:33:46.141Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"so if it's within our power to keep that information around without much effort I dont' see why not","date":"2013-10-09T19:34:06.610Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"for some reason I can hear your enthusiastic voice in my head as I read that.","date":"2013-10-09T19:34:54.160Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T19:35:01.801Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"guess i'm of two opinions, don't start tracking it until you know it would've been useful (more on why I feel that way in a second), and have guidelines-ish for what you will track.","date":"2013-10-09T19:39:15.165Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"first is because of a mozilla thing called telemetry. they place probes in fx to know what it's doing. right now I think they have ~600. our statisticians proved that they could get the same info out of only 30 or so.","date":"2013-10-09T19:39:15.381Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and I was on the metrics team before working on node, and had to listen to the statisticians bitch about that quite often.","date":"2013-10-09T19:39:49.258Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"second, i'm tired of seeing random debug() what not in core because at one time someone decided they needed it while doing a specific thing.","date":"2013-10-09T19:40:18.468Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"but if we did a proper trace of the logic then we'd be able to find the more correct places for those things.","date":"2013-10-09T19:40:50.125Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: but i'd agree. _if_ we are going to track metrics internally (which I'm not saying we should) then there should be a single class in env.h that centralizes all those metrics.","date":"2013-10-09T19:45:39.765Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: ping","date":"2013-10-09T20:05:22.165Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: pong","date":"2013-10-09T20:07:03.767Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: if all the v8 handles in a method are of the form: Local<Object> = args[0].As<Object>(); (i.e. cast instead of creating a new handle) do you still need a HandleScope?","date":"2013-10-09T20:08:12.615Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: no","date":"2013-10-09T20:08:41.920Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: cool. thanks :)","date":"2013-10-09T20:08:48.432Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: I still see a lot of strings created using FIXED_ONE... do you just want the ones that'll be called \"often\" in env.h?","date":"2013-10-09T20:15:32.205Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: yes, only those","date":"2013-10-09T20:16:54.290Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"coolio.","date":"2013-10-09T20:17:01.170Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"where \"often\" is a somewhat loosely defined metric but ala","date":"2013-10-09T20:17:08.471Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah, I know what you mean","date":"2013-10-09T20:17:16.861Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: so what you been working on? staying awake and feeding the baby? :)","date":"2013-10-09T20:21:48.764Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: this week? been toying around with various approaches to profiling, thinking about how to improve event handling in libuv, triaging bug","date":"2013-10-09T20:25:37.916Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"*bus","date":"2013-10-09T20:25:40.948Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"damnit","date":"2013-10-09T20:25:43.031Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"mac keyboards... *bugs","date":"2013-10-09T20:25:48.792Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T20:25:53.825Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"sounds like fun. let me know if you come up with any cool ways for profiling.","date":"2013-10-09T20:26:43.350Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: i have js function tracing working actually, only it's something you need to enable at startup and it's hella slow","date":"2013-10-09T20:30:02.034Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i was aiming more for something like dtrace/stap, where you can create and remove trace points at run time","date":"2013-10-09T20:30:28.153Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"oh cool. have the code up somewhere?","date":"2013-10-09T20:30:47.642Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i must have, let me look","date":"2013-10-09T20:30:58.797Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: https://github.com/bnoordhuis/node/tree/function-tracer <- attempt #1","date":"2013-10-09T20:31:27.202Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"right it uses the jit hooks","date":"2013-10-09T20:32:56.926Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"oh interesting.","date":"2013-10-09T20:33:54.051Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"somewhat. most events take place in v8 stubs and builtins :)","date":"2013-10-09T20:34:59.331Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"smarter filtering is in order","date":"2013-10-09T20:35:13.296Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"i'm toying with another approach where i'm putting breakpoints in the function prolog of generated code","date":"2013-10-09T20:35:59.944Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"*that* is how dtrace works :)","date":"2013-10-09T20:36:14.355Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"well more or less","date":"2013-10-09T20:36:19.689Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"yeah, but dtrace has kernel assistance","date":"2013-10-09T20:36:33.948Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"sure, but doesn't this make sense to have generic support from v8 directly?","date":"2013-10-09T20:36:52.650Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"poor old me has to work with creative uses of mmap and sigaction(SIGTRAP)","date":"2013-10-09T20:36:53.974Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T20:37:05.219Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"tjfontaine: well, yes. but i haven't really come up with a workable scheme yet","date":"2013-10-09T20:37:20.112Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"and here I thought my implementation of asyncwrap was all cool. this kicks its ass.","date":"2013-10-09T20:37:29.170Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"also, i don't want to wait 6-9 months for it to land in a stable release","date":"2013-10-09T20:37:46.662Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: oh, so think you could land this in a module?","date":"2013-10-09T20:38:23.585Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"well, you'll probably need _some_ assistance from core","date":"2013-10-09T20:39:41.144Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"whoa, wtf.","date":"2013-10-09T20:53:46.374Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Found something interesting in mdb today, https://gist.github.com/wolfeidau/6882870#comment-925383 note the empty entry in the list","date":"2013-10-09T20:54:06.465Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: 362e7006a61::v8print please and thank you","date":"2013-10-09T20:54:38.395Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"External::New(void*).As<Object>()->SetIndexedPropertiesToExternalArrayData(...);","date":"2013-10-09T20:54:59.324Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: ^ that actually worked. but... eh, whatever.","date":"2013-10-09T20:54:59.534Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: yeah, an External is-a kind of Object","date":"2013-10-09T20:56:00.559Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"MI6","message":"\u0002nodejs-v0.10\u0002: #1524 \u00037UNSTABLE\u000f smartos-x64 (4/601) smartos-ia32 (4/601) http://jenkins.nodejs.org/job/nodejs-v0.10/1524/","date":"2013-10-09T20:56:07.452Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: yeah, just didn't think it would since the inheritance doc shows it's from Value, not Object.","date":"2013-10-09T20:56:33.473Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"https://gist.github.com/wolfeidau/6882870#comment-925387","date":"2013-10-09T20:56:40.014Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: guess what I find most interesting is that a returned External can't have any properties assigned to it.","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:07.731Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: So your using a v8 type somewhere in native code?","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:31.259Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"right, the fact it's an object is an implementation detail","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:40.363Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"hence this missing name?","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:41.823Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"aha","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:48.375Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: we'll we're inspecting v8 types","date":"2013-10-09T20:57:48.593Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: interesting. but you'd consider that code unsafe?","date":"2013-10-09T20:58:03.267Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"yeah i found those commands ","date":"2013-10-09T20:58:18.484Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"very handy","date":"2013-10-09T20:58:25.394Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"indeed","date":"2013-10-09T20:58:28.883Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: yes-ish. relies on implementation details. the reason external hides the fact that it's an object, is that it's safe to pretenure that way","date":"2013-10-09T20:58:46.371Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"trevnorris: by which i mean that v8 can safely put it in the old space because there's no way it has backrefs to objects in the new space","date":"2013-10-09T20:59:05.658Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"sam113101","message":"HELLO","date":"2013-10-09T20:59:37.625Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: interesting. thanks for the explanation.","date":"2013-10-09T20:59:56.628Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: HELLO YOURSELF HANDSOME","date":"2013-10-09T21:00:19.267Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"MI6","message":"\u0002joyent/node:\u0002 \u00033isaacs\u000f \u00037v0.10\u000f * \u00029c65387\u0002 : blog: Remove wp-to-markdown script - http://git.io/vKBUyw","date":"2013-10-09T21:00:43.608Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"what's libuv?","date":"2013-10-09T21:00:45.472Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"if you have to ask that question, this channel is probably not for you","date":"2013-10-09T21:01:03.257Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"is it just a wrapper around epoll/kqueue or is it more than that?","date":"2013-10-09T21:01:24.882Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"sam113101: http://nikhilm.github.io/uvbook/introduction.html","date":"2013-10-09T21:01:41.125Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"sam113101: also might be of interest: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/11423426/how-does-libuv-compare-to-boost-asio","date":"2013-10-09T21:02:50.978Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"though it's a little dated.","date":"2013-10-09T21:02:54.502Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"never used boost/asio","date":"2013-10-09T21:03:58.861Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: So this whole TLS part of node must have some crzy complicated code paths as v8 seems to be doing a lot of work to GC it","date":"2013-10-09T21:05:09.380Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: especially in v0.10","date":"2013-10-09T21:05:23.802Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"it's a better story in master, when -- ya know -- it's not truncating your streams.","date":"2013-10-09T21:05:44.887Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: Well interestingly they both balloon out in the same fashion when not gc'ing the shit out of it","date":"2013-10-09T21:06:13.804Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"I want to build a game server and I was wondering if libuv would be appropriate","date":"2013-10-09T21:06:19.162Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: that is interesting","date":"2013-10-09T21:06:28.268Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"Probably more so in master from what i have observed","date":"2013-10-09T21:06:32.668Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"sam113101","message":"does libuv implement the reactor pattern?","date":"2013-10-09T21:09:18.340Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: This is master without gc https://gist.github.com/wolfeidau/6882870#comment-925392 ","date":"2013-10-09T21:10:06.009Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: yes. we're even mentioned on the 'reactor pattern' wikipedia page :)","date":"2013-10-09T21:10:07.687Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: note our 24 empty entries are also there","date":"2013-10-09T21:10:31.411Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"oh","date":"2013-10-09T21:10:33.977Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: I will generate a new v8.so which won't necessarily solve that, but may provide some more insight","date":"2013-10-09T21:11:40.235Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: Looks to me like it is loading something via a stream but what struck me was \"5c8718a5fe1     1261       13 Agent: domain, _events, _maxListeners, ...\"","date":"2013-10-09T21:12:54.427Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"I am disabling the agent https://gist.github.com/wolfeidau/6882870#file-httpstest3-js-L33","date":"2013-10-09T21:13:20.818Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"sam113101","message":"does libuv use multithreading?","date":"2013-10-09T21:13:44.214Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"why would there be 1261 of them hanging around","date":"2013-10-09T21:13:54.867Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: for some things, yes","date":"2013-10-09T21:14:03.761Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"like eh, deferrables? if there's such a thing on libuv","date":"2013-10-09T21:14:46.524Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: what's ::jsprint on the object with no constructor?","date":"2013-10-09T21:15:36.418Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"*no named constructor","date":"2013-10-09T21:15:40.271Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: no, nothing like that. libuv uses unadorned callbacks. it's just that some things are handed off to a thread pool (file operations, getaddrinfo lookups, etc.)","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:04.720Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: {}","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:09.188Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"that is it lol","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:14.636Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: the thread pool is used for things that you can't do without blocking","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:25.115Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: thanks :)","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:28.452Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"ok","date":"2013-10-09T21:17:34.449Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"sam113101","message":"I'm not yet familiar with the reactor pattern","date":"2013-10-09T21:18:10.593Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"sam113101: you register interest for events, you call the 'enter event loop' function, the library starts calling your callbacks whenever those events happen","date":"2013-10-09T21:19:05.869Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"that's basically all there is to it","date":"2013-10-09T21:19:12.754Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: could you try: 12303bf04139::v8array | ::jsprint","date":"2013-10-09T21:20:21.100Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"tjfontaine: returns nothing ","date":"2013-10-09T21:22:57.965Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"wolfeidau: alright, this is part of us needing to fix it for the newer version of v8","date":"2013-10-09T21:23:14.933Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"wolfeidau","message":"aha","date":"2013-10-09T21:23:28.627Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"about to sign off. if anyone has questions for me, now's the time","date":"2013-10-09T21:27:41.788Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"bnoordhuis: was running libuv's pipe_pump benchmark. couldn't believe how fast it was.","date":"2013-10-09T21:27:46.868Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"ah well, most of that is courtesy of the kernel","date":"2013-10-09T21:28:11.168Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"i'm trying to implement something directly on top of pipe_wrap to see how fast I can get node","date":"2013-10-09T21:28:12.767Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T21:28:16.744Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"alright man. you have a good night :)","date":"2013-10-09T21:28:43.064Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"bnoordhuis","message":"thanks, you too :) okay, stepping away from the keyboard","date":"2013-10-09T21:29:02.447Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"are uv_pipe_{open,bind,connect} all accomplish the same thing, just with different function parameters?","date":"2013-10-09T21:41:11.553Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"hey people","date":"2013-10-09T21:57:15.308Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"looks like I'm finally a bit back to core dev","date":"2013-10-09T21:57:24.452Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"anything important I should take care of?","date":"2013-10-09T21:57:31.912Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"bnoordhuis: ^","date":"2013-10-09T21:57:33.139Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"he's away for the night.","date":"2013-10-09T21:57:51.035Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"you can help me figure out wtf the order is to create a pipe directly on top of pipe_wrap. :P","date":"2013-10-09T21:58:22.985Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: hrm?","date":"2013-10-09T22:04:53.153Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: oh, i'm just trying to create a pipe directly using pipe_wrap, and the node semantics are strange.","date":"2013-10-09T22:06:01.546Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"think I got it.","date":"2013-10-09T22:06:47.960Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"heh","date":"2013-10-09T22:07:54.037Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: yeah, you just create new (process.binding('pipe_wrap').Pipe)","date":"2013-10-09T22:09:02.561Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: and connect it to path","date":"2013-10-09T22:09:09.841Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"or do whatever you want","date":"2013-10-09T22:09:12.557Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"write2","date":"2013-10-09T22:10:03.993Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"or any other stuff","date":"2013-10-09T22:10:08.139Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: is that what you want?","date":"2013-10-09T22:10:12.226Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah","date":"2013-10-09T22:10:15.802Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"so, uv_pipe_bind open a new fd, while uv_pipe_open connects to an existing fd?","date":"2013-10-09T22:11:26.290Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"yes","date":"2013-10-09T22:15:26.813Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"coolio. thanks.","date":"2013-10-09T22:15:32.918Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"np","date":"2013-10-09T22:16:02.366Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: maybe enlighten me on uv_accept. at least in stream_wrap it's called in AcceptHandle and possibly passed as the third argument to onread.","date":"2013-10-09T22:27:05.777Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"just trying to figure out when that would occur.","date":"2013-10-09T22:27:22.009Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: huh?","date":"2013-10-09T22:28:52.206Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"trevnorris: you call uv_accept in listen_cb","date":"2013-10-09T22:28:58.580Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"aah","date":"2013-10-09T22:29:36.526Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"you mean pipes","date":"2013-10-09T22:29:39.190Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"yeah.","date":"2013-10-09T22:29:44.904Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"well","date":"2013-10-09T22:30:31.391Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"fourth argument to onread","date":"2013-10-09T22:30:38.774Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"is a pending handle type","date":"2013-10-09T22:30:42.635Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"if its not UV_UNKNOWN_HANDLE","date":"2013-10-09T22:30:55.311Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"you may call uv_accept() on pipe","date":"2013-10-09T22:31:02.452Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"to fetch it","date":"2013-10-09T22:31:05.208Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"guess what I don't get is what it means to be \"pending\"","date":"2013-10-09T22:31:22.633Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"because in StreamWrapCallbacks::DoRead it passes the pending handle to the onread callback if the returning !Object::IsEmpty()","date":"2013-10-09T22:32:32.166Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"if that makes sense.","date":"2013-10-09T22:32:36.709Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"indutny: honestly, what i'm really trying to do is compare how much data I can pump through pipe_wrap as compared to libuv's pipe_pump1_client benchmark.","date":"2013-10-09T22:35:06.252Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"indutny","message":"huh","date":"2013-10-09T22:35:28.177Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"DoRead is not receiving handle","date":"2013-10-09T22:35:42.256Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"and its checking pending_obj","date":"2013-10-09T22:35:49.488Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"which it is initializing","date":"2013-10-09T22:35:53.843Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"DoRead is called by StreamWrap::OnReadCommon","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:21.790Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"yes","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:30.874Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"what do you mean by \"not receiving handle\"?","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:31.150Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"well","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:38.305Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"as argument","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:40.760Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"indutny","message":"its receiving it's type","date":"2013-10-09T22:37:45.246Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"oh is indutny looking at the ssl truncation?","date":"2013-10-09T23:13:48.022Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"oh no just talking to trevor","date":"2013-10-09T23:16:50.482Z","type":"message"}
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{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"tjfontaine: so, i'm a little confused. i'm running libuv's pump benchmarks to see what it can do, then I wrote barebones tcp/pipe implementations.","date":"2013-10-09T23:20:53.705Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"_if_ the two are comparable, node's 2x's slower.","date":"2013-10-09T23:20:53.922Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"think those benchmarks are an accurate comparison of raw speed?","date":"2013-10-09T23:21:11.002Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I have no idea without seeing the code, but an easy test would be to dtrace profile both and compare the stacks, there hsould be significant overlap, except for where we're jumping through stream_wrap and js","date":"2013-10-09T23:23:23.755Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"tjfontaine","message":"I'm not sure how useful a comparison is, aside from knowing that: \"Yup, abstractions can add overhead -- lets continue to work at making our abstractions better\"","date":"2013-10-09T23:24:25.077Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"well, i'm modifying my benchmarks for v0.10 compatibility, but I swear I could do much better than this","date":"2013-10-09T23:25:02.332Z","type":"message"}
{"nick":"trevnorris","message":"hm. guess not. poop.","date":"2013-10-09T23:27:20.999Z","type":"message"}
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