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Uplink internet connection #34

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jhilden opened this issue Jun 19, 2013 · 67 comments
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Uplink internet connection #34

jhilden opened this issue Jun 19, 2013 · 67 comments

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@jhilden
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jhilden commented Jun 19, 2013

We nee somebody to talk to all the companies that could help us in getting a decent internet connection to the Abenteuerhalle.

Options to check would be:

  • NetCologne (they are supposed to have fiber cable until the end of the street)
  • Telekom (maybe they can provide/sponsor LTE connections?)
  • Unity Media
  • Richtfunk from some company or so in the neighborshood with good internet

There is a separate issue #9 dealing with setting up the local wifi, that has a lot of additional useful information.

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Contacted Stephan again (he didn't answer the email last time) to ask, how they managed to get Telekom LTE for the conference. Will keep you posted.

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Will someone contact one of the providers? I mean... LTE might be okayish - but for that our WiFi system is a overkill :D

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jhilden commented Jun 25, 2013

@namxam could you do that? Today? Was @koos able to get you a contact at netcologne?

@timbuchwaldt
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I just remembered: As we use the CCCMZ WiFi system, we can only support two uplink routers. So if we go with LTE, we are limited in regards of uplink routers. (Or if we bundle DSL uplinks, which could also work)

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koos commented Jun 26, 2013

If you need it - we've bought 3 of those http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00CTIKXR6/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Just give me a shout.

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I just remembered: As we use the CCCMZ WiFi system, we can only support two uplink routers. So if we go with LTE, we are limited in regards of uplink routers. (Or if we bundle DSL uplinks, which could also work)


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raucao commented Jun 26, 2013

Nice.

@timbuchwaldt
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@koos Thanks :) We got the big package by CCCMZ, which uses the pro-version of the APs, which are not quite compatible. But if we find the usecase, we will let you know (wrong issue, btw :D )

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koos commented Jun 27, 2013

okay
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@koos Thanks :) We got the big package by CCCMZ, which uses the pro-version of the APs, which are not quite compatible. But if we find the usecase, we will let you know (wrong issue, btw :D )


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From Stephan Maihöfer:

Der Kontakt bei der Telekom ist inzwischen nicht mehr da, Johannes höhrt
sich aber nochmal um. Er sagt auch, zitat:

"guter ansprechpartner ist auch der 4010 Shop auf der Ehrenstrasse,
da bin ich damals einfach rein und hab nachgefragt .."

sollte sich doch noch ein direkterer kontakt auftun, melde ich mich nochmal.

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koos commented Jun 29, 2013

ich habe noch einen guten kontakt zur telekom.
kann ich helfen?

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From Stephan Maihöfer:

Der Kontakt bei der Telekom ist inzwischen nicht mehr da, Johannes höhrt
sich aber nochmal um. Er sagt auch, zitat:

"guter ansprechpartner ist auch der 4010 Shop auf der Ehrenstrasse,
da bin ich damals einfach rein und hab nachgefragt .."

sollte sich doch noch ein direkterer kontakt auftun, melde ich mich nochmal.


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Wer hatte denn jetzt den Internet-Hut, der @timbuchwaldt ? 😄

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jhilden commented Jun 30, 2013

Nobody in particular wanted to put on the the "internet hat" and I can't blame people for that.

This is currently probably the most difficult and most important organizational task that we have for Railscamp, we need all the help we can get from anybody. I will personally see that anybody who can help us get a somwhat decent internet connection to the Abenteuerhalle, will get all the recognition he/she deserves and more.

@koos yes please, we need that contact at the Telekom. Contacting the contact would be even more awesome.

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jhilden commented Jul 3, 2013

Status update:

  • We contacted @koos's contacts at the Telekom startup incubator, but since we are a developer event they didn't feel responsible.
  • I contacted NetCologne (who owns the Anschluss at the venue) and the key account manager of the Jugendenzentren Köln Herr Wölk is supposed to get back to me about possible ways of beefing up the existing Kupferleitung. But even if this should all be possible, which is far from certain, we probably won't be able to ge more than a couple of Mbit out of that connection I guess.

Can anybody else please try to contact the Telekom or Vodafone about potential LTE connections? Maybe @seanlilmateus can ask again? That would be really awesome! Or @namxam?

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jhilden commented Jul 4, 2013

I got answer from NetCologne and they said that we definitely won't get more than 4 Mbit bandwith out of the connection at the venue. Theoretically one could do something with SDSL to get 20 Mbit, but the price for that would go into the thousands, and 20 Mbit isn't that much either for 200 people. 😢

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moonglum commented Jul 4, 2013

Oh shit 😿
I guess the only option is LTE then, isn't it?

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koos commented Jul 4, 2013

I already ordered 3 seperate telephone lines.
jfyi
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Oh shit
I guess the only option is LTE then, isn't it?


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@timbuchwaldt
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Please keep in mind: we need a special router then that bundles the uplink.

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raucao commented Jul 6, 2013

I already ordered 3 seperate telephone lines.

@koos What does that mean exactly? That we don't need to get something else? We need to know details asap, if we have to bundle lines etc.

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koos commented Jul 7, 2013

We should have a backup. I'll call Netcologne tomorrow and ask about the progress.

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I already ordered 3 seperate telephone lines.

What does that mean exactly? That we don't need to get something else? We need to know details asap, if we have to bundle lines etc.


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jhilden commented Jul 8, 2013

I have called viprinet on Friday (they sponsor the evoke and organize the
internet for that event) and maybe they will be able to help us.

I also contacted Vodafone about LTE and they are supposed to call me back
by tomorrow.

Also contacted the Telekom Hotline and they told me to got to a T-Punkt
store and ask there, maybe something could be possible with LTE Testkarten.
Would anybody be able to do that? It would need to happen soon.

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We should have a backup. I'll call Netcologne tomorrow and ask about the
progress.

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I already ordered 3 seperate telephone lines.

What does that mean exactly? That we don't need to get something else?
We need to know details asap, if we have to bundle lines etc.


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@jhilden
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jhilden commented Jul 9, 2013

I got an reply from Vodafone and it seems unlikely that we will be able to get something from them, because they don't offer rented short-term LTE as a product, but they forwarded our request from their sales to the marketing department.

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Ich war gerade bei dem 4010 Telekom Laden auf der Ehrenstraße.
Der Typ meinte grundsätzlich müsste das auch in 2 Wochen realisierbar sein, da Internet hinzubekommen.
Sponsoring fand er interessant und klärt das mit dem Vertrieb ab.
Hab ihm alle Eckdaten und meine Kontaktdaten da gelassen, die wollen sich (angeblich) morgen bei mir melden.

Wir werden sehen...

@raucao
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raucao commented Jul 11, 2013

You da man!

@moonglum
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@DonSchado Und? Was neues? 😄

@DonSchado
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Nope :( will da nochmal jemand hinfahren?

@DonSchado
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Rufe gleich da an und berichte...

edit: jo, muss einer hinfahren, Telefon können die nicht...

@DonSchado
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War gerade da. Telekom/4010 is durch.
Der Kerl hat mich voll abgespeist:

"Hier gibt's nur Verträge, n Kontakt nach Bonn haben wir hier nicht... wenn sich bisher keiner bei ihnen gemeldet hat, können wir ihnen da wohl nicht helfen..."

Sollen's mal über die Mobilefunk-Business Hotline versuchen: 0800-3302828

Naja, hat sonst noch jemand noch ne Idee? :)

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AFAIK the two things left are:

  1. Tividoo: Crazy expensive. I don't know if this fits our budget.
  2. Richtfunk: I don't know what the status is on that?

I think we should really start building up a Plan b. I suggested setting up a Ruby Gems Mirror (via rubygems-mirror and geminabox) plus Git(lab – maybe plus Gitlab CI) server. @timbuchwaldt really liked the idea and volunteered to set it up. We now only need a server for that. It's not an alternative to an internet connection, but rather something to make slow / no internet less painful.

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cice commented Jul 17, 2013

maybe put the ruby core docs and rails api docs on that server too

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Twitter-bootstrap maybe?

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raucao commented Jul 17, 2013

@koos You just mentioned https://github.com/sebastian instead of the one you meant. ;)

Anyway, it looks like the paid-for LTE will even be within our budget if all goes well.

@eimann
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eimann commented Jul 17, 2013

The FH Koeln is also next to the Studentenwerk, maybe ask some of their Computer Science students, if they have any?

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bumi commented Jul 17, 2013

@tisba totally agree! and this event is one of the most open and collaborative events that I know. note is already out. what else could be communicated?

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raucao commented Jul 17, 2013

@eimann Can you find out if there's a direct line of sight to the Abenteuerhallen?

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eimann commented Jul 17, 2013

@skddc it should work, even without a direct line of sight (trees are ok, buildings not so much), it's roughly 1.5km. I just don't have a contact at the FH yet who can arrange an Ethernet-Port + rooftop access.

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tisba commented Jul 17, 2013

@koos of course. The issue is that internet connectivity for such an event in cologne is taken for granted. I'm just saying it should be made clear to everyone beforehand so that they can decide if it is okay for them or not.

@bumi I missed the announcement on twitter and the blog (didn't even noticed before that there is a blog) and a couple of others I know off missed it to.

Long story short: It looks like I am the only one participating in this issue who thinks that having internet connectivity will assumed by most participants, so I'll shut up and hope for the best.

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bumi commented Jul 17, 2013

I've contacted QSC (also of Barcamp Cologne 1 fame), but I don't have much hope that they are able to support us.

@tisba no, I guess not that's why this is such a long issue and everyone is trying to fix it :)

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raucao commented Jul 17, 2013

That wi-fi connection looks doable, and universities have proper uplinks. This could be gold!

How do we proceed?

@eimann
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eimann commented Jul 17, 2013

I'm just trying to figure out whom to contact there. And as @bumi QSC might be an option too, it should be in reach for their Wireless Local Loop product. I've asked a contact there if it's possible and how long they need to get it up & running.

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thegcat commented Jul 17, 2013

(Just a note about @tisba s comment: should the internet still be problematic or off the table on monday, I strongly vote in favor of informing the participants directly/via e-mail of this so they can take appropriate measures)

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raucao commented Jul 17, 2013

Go, @eimann, go! :D

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Agreeing with @thegcat here. A blog post and a tweet containing a "cry for help" with the internet issue is not a clear communication to the attendees that there might be limited to no internet connectivity. If I hadn't looked at the issues here I wouldn't know that this might be an issue and I think a lot of people just bought a ticket without checking in here.

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raucao commented Jul 17, 2013

Everybody calm down, please! There will be Internet at venue. The question is only how fast exactly and how expensive it'll be.

We also just received word from the LTE/router provider that it's going to be much cheaper to set up than what the first offer was.

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koos commented Jul 17, 2013

I'm also working on getting it from my friend or from the trash chic via
richtantennen. #jfyi
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Everybody calm down, please! There will be Internet at venue.


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jhilden commented Jul 17, 2013

Since it seems not unlikely that we might be able to get some sort of guerilla Richtfunk connection in place on way or the other, where exactly do we get the equipment from? Form Berlin @thilo ? Or from the CCC where we get the wifi equipment @timbuchwaldt ? Or @eimann you said you would able to "sponsor appropiate equipment for the weekend" ? Please get back to me on how this could happen and what the capabilities of the equipment are.

Besides that it's final that we will get a 6 port Viprinet router/bundler from http://tividoo.eu. It is equipped with 2 LTE modules (Vodafone with 10GB data inclusive & Telekom with 5GB inclusive) and after that it is unfortunately 8,50€/GB. It also has 2 DSL modules and 2 ethernet modules for potential Richtfunk.

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eimann commented Jul 17, 2013

@jhilden we will sponsor Router + 2x 65cm dishes with radio module each (up to 30km with line of sight, 100Mbps), a /22 IPv4 network and a /48 IPv6 network via that router

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jhilden commented Jul 18, 2013

@eimann awesome. You're the man! What company should I put on the sponsors page of our website?

Now we only have to find a place to set it up, but we are on it and maybe more people can help as well. When could you & the equipment be in Cologne next week? Friday morning would be good.

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eimann commented Jul 18, 2013

@badboy and myself will be in Cologne on 26th at 1100 (or earlier, but I don't think this will work due to traffic)

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koos commented Jul 18, 2013

Hey. Short update: I've contacted one of the Prof's from FH-Köln. He will contact some other persons and/or the Campus IT to figure out how if we can solve the problem. This is how it could looks like http://goo.gl/maps/MtRgt
He will come back to me on this tomorrow.

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badboy commented Jul 23, 2013

@koos Anything new on that? Would be good to have a contact person on friday.

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raucao commented Jul 23, 2013

Yeah, would be great to have a backup uplink, and it seems like this is very doable and there's already contact with the right people. Maybe he can give us email addresses or phone numbers of the IT dept?

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badboy commented Jul 23, 2013

If we don't have a contact over there, who will give us access to the roof, it wouldn't make sense for us to come all the way to cologne (and I could stay in the pool the whole friday ☀️ 🏊 )

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jhilden commented Jul 23, 2013

We have visited the FH's IT department today, but it didn't seem very likely that they want to help us. Rooftop access shouldn't be a problem, but if they don't give us the necessary access to their network it doesn't look so good.

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koos commented Jul 24, 2013

First feedback from FH-Köln: they are able to support us.

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We have visited the FH's IT department today, but it didn't seem very likely that they want to help us. Rooftop access shouldn't be a problem, but if they don't give us the necessary access to their network it doesn't look so good.


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raucao commented Jul 24, 2013

\o/

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eimann commented Jul 26, 2013

We succeeded, @railscamp does have working Internet now.

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You rock!! 🚀

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raucao commented Jul 26, 2013

What @moonglum said!

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badboy commented Jul 26, 2013

\o/ :smile:

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