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rev F noise on digital-only C7 - [two boards modded differently with C200 variation] #104

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rusefillc opened this issue Mar 8, 2023 · 14 comments
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rusefillc commented Mar 8, 2023

See white counter increases not with red line as expected

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https://rusefi.com/online/view.php?msq=1416&dialog=triggerConfiguration cam uses C7

See also #102

@rusefillc rusefillc changed the title rev F noise on C7 rev F noise on digital-only C7 Mar 8, 2023
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Qwerty-OFF commented Mar 8, 2023

Отличия от обычного входа CAM:

  • подтяжка настраиваемая;
  • подтяжка выполнена к +5VAS (TLS115), а не +5VA как обычно.

Давай попробуем сделать обычную подтяжку, для этого нужно unsolder R44 and put 4.7 kOhm as in the picture
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Next experiment with capacitor C200, now it's 1 nF, you can put 10 nF and see what happens.

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@ElDominio I have mod instructions I need stuff to mod please :)

@rusefillc rusefillc assigned ElDominio and unassigned Qwerty-OFF Mar 8, 2023
@rusefillc rusefillc changed the title rev F noise on digital-only C7 rev F noise on digital-only C7 - not applied to any boards, only got info March 8th Mar 8, 2023
@rusefillc rusefillc assigned Timbelom and unassigned ElDominio Mar 15, 2023
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  • on two boards:
    @Timbelom we have 5.6K through-hole resistors for sure, could be easier than 4.7K SMD
    but we can try 4.7K maybe 1206 mounted vertically and a small wire?

  • let's make one board with C200 replaced, one without C200 replaced

https://rusefi.com/docs/ibom/alphax_4ch-f-ibom.html
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WhatsApp Image 2023-03-16 at 14 20 04

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@rusefillc rusefillc changed the title rev F noise on digital-only C7 - not applied to any boards, only got info March 8th rev F noise on digital-only C7 - [two boards modded differently with C200 variation] Mar 16, 2023
@rusefillc rusefillc assigned rusefillc and unassigned Timbelom Mar 16, 2023
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Shipped https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfirmAction?tRef=fullpage&tLc=2&text28777=&tLabels=9405511206214955226959

@ElDominio two boards have a small difference on purpose, so those might behave differently. open question which one C7 would work better

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@Qwerty-OFF we have positive test results! we need the mod on rev G. Looks like C200 part of the mod is not needed

rusefi/rusefi#5211 (comment)

@rusefillc rusefillc assigned Qwerty-OFF and unassigned ElDominio Apr 1, 2023
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@andreika-git what are your thoughts? what change could have changed what why?

@rusefillc rusefillc reopened this Apr 2, 2023
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Desolder Q20?

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@Qwerty-OFF question, would removing R44 and adding the 4.7k Resistor be an acceptable fix?

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@ElDominio yes
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But I also have to add a capacitor on D57 right?

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D57

@ElDominio your comment seems to be first mentioning of D57 on this ticket? Please provide some context?

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I am trying to mod a RevC to work with 4G63

#102 (comment)

Shows a capactior added to D57, but D57 does not exist on revC. I'm trying to figure out an equivalent position to place said capacitor to see if I can make it work.

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