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mw:63712 #1509

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drdhaval2785 opened this issue Jan 12, 2024 · 16 comments
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drdhaval2785 opened this issue Jan 12, 2024 · 16 comments
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date: 12/19/2023 01:24:04
dict: mw
Lnum: 63712
hw: gayāśikhara
old: (Gayā-śiras)
new: (-śiras)
comm: Typo (I am unsure whether Sir Monier Williams intended this parenthetical listing to be "Gayaśiras" or "Gayāśiras"). Please let me know your conclusion.

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MW intended "Gayā-śiras". The samāsa "Gayaśiras" is wrong grammatically.

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@aumsanskrit
This is the conclusion.

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gayaziras
If the samāsa "Gayaśiras" is wrong grammatically, then why is the word listed in MW under [ID=63698]?
My view is that the four words: gayāśikhara, gayāśiras, gayāśīrṣa, gayāśīrṣaparvata all reference “the same mountain” first named as “gayaśiras” as listed in MW dictionary.
Therefore, on the printed page for the word “gayāśikhara”, I understand the indication as follows “the mountain Gaya (-śiras) near Gayā” references the first listing of “gayaśiras”. In other words Sir Monier Williams intends “(-śiras)” to mean “gayaśiras” and NOT “gayāśiras” which is the word listed following “gayāśikhara”.

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gasyoun commented Jan 15, 2024

@aumsanskrit what is your full name and background, may I please know?

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Yes, you're correct @aumsanskrit.

I see now, that both the forms gayaśiras and gayāśiras exist as alt. forms of the name of the same mountain in different works.
Sorry, for my hasty conclusion.

@drdhaval2785,
We've another prospective member to find the errors!!

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Namaste Gasyoun,

My full name is Scott Rhodes. I reside in the USA. My life is devoted to the study of the Sanskrit Language. My entry into the deep study of Sanskrit resulted from viewing the extensive DVD series entitlled "Learning Sanskrit Language Structure" by the Great Professor of Advanced Sanskrit Studies, "V.N. Jha". He is the head of Rishi Rina Trust at https://www.vidyavatika.org/
Currently I am studying the entire SiddhāntaKaumudī. It will probably take me a few more years to complete.
I also follow a great spiritual master. I should not reveal this, but you asked me for my background. You my find his Satsangs on Youtube. His name is Mooji.

God Bless

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We've another prospective member to find the errors!!

Scott has submitted over 100 corrections in the past 1 month from correction submission page of Cologne. That's why I thought that it will be more beneficial to all if he is brought onboard the github world. He will be able to submit more corrections from PR mode.

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gasyoun commented Jan 15, 2024

Scott has submitted over 100 corrections in the past 1 month from correction submission page of Cologne.

I bow to Scott and Dhaval. Long live our voluntary movement. @aumsanskrit what city in USA? What education?

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Namaste Gasyoun,

God Bless you sir. I live in Northern California. The city is called Weed. My education is up to three years at University. My last years were at the University of California in Berkeley. Since 2016 I have been studying Sanskrit everyday as much as possible. In this life I hope to read the entire Mahābhārata as well as the Rāmāyaṇa etc. Currently I alternate my Sanskrit study as follows: one day studying the Grammar of the SiddhāntaKaumudī and then one day reading from the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam. I find that alternating my study in this way is very fruitful.

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It seems that Scott began submitting corrections (primarily to MW) last year. Current count of corrections submitted is 272, with about 250 being to MW. Thanks, Scott!

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Ultimately, what correction is to be made ?
Not sure.

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'gayaśiras' is to be there.

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Acc. to PWG (as well as from above comments), 'gayaSiras' and 'gayASiras' are acceptable spellings. 'gayASiras' is a headword only in MW and PWG, while 'gayaSiras' appears as headword in 8 dictionaries (ref. dalglob1 display).

Jim's Opinion: No change needed. @Andhrabharati If you agree, go ahead and close this issue.

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Andhrabharati commented May 10, 2024

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Now that you have pushed it on to me, I had a closer look at the said entry in the MW print.

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[Observe that both Gaya and (-śiras) are in regular font face (<s1> type); so the parenthetical matter is not to be taken as another "to be expanded" devanagari (<s>) item taking the HW portion (gayā) as the front element, which MW would've shown in italics otherwise, to make it <s>gayā-śiras</s>]

And it is seen that the cdsl text at the entry <L>63712 does need a correction!

old: <s>gayā—śikhara</s> ¦ <lex>n.</lex> the mountain <s1 slp1="gaya">Gaya</s1> (<s1 slp1="gayA-Siras">Gayā-śiras</s1>) near <s1 slp1="gayA">Gayā</s1>, <ls>Buddh.</ls>
new: <s>gayā—śikhara</s> ¦ <lex>n.</lex> the mountain <s1 slp1="gaya(-Siras)">Gaya(-śiras)</s1> near <s1 slp1="gayA">Gayā</s1>, <ls>Buddh.</ls>

It cannot be having "Gayā-śiras" in the matter, as the next entry (<L>63713) says
<s>gayA—Siras</s> ¦ <lex>n.</lex> <ab>id.</ab>, <ls>VāyuP.</ls>

which in no case can become
<s>gayA—Siras</s> [as "header"] = <s1 slp1="gayA-Siras">Gayā-śiras</s1> [as "<ab>id.</ab>"],
i.e. containing the same item (Gayā-śiras) in both sides.

So, we have both the variants with short and long vowel appropriately placed at <L>63698 and <L>63713, perfectly tallying with what PWG <L>21845 contains ("gayāśiras s. u. gayaśiras.")

@aumsanskrit , does the analysis satisfy you?

At the end, the ball is now in the hands of Dhaval / Jim to change the cdsl text and close the issue.
[This is not a print change, but just a correction in the cdsl text.]

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Your analysis is perfect, thank you.

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installed the 'old/new' change.
Closing issue.

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