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Lanes quest and oneway roads #3867

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Mannivu opened this issue Mar 11, 2022 · 14 comments
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Lanes quest and oneway roads #3867

Mannivu opened this issue Mar 11, 2022 · 14 comments
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@Mannivu
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Mannivu commented Mar 11, 2022

I find the "Lanes quest" a bit confusing when I have to answer about oneway roads. For multiple lanes ways there's no issue (it's pretty clear how to answer), but when I see a oneway road with only one lane I am always unsure how to answer the quest. I think that answering "No marked lanes" is wrong since there can't be any lane marking on a oneway road (see these examples: these are clearly oneway roads with only one lane)
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Therefore, I think that should be added one more type of answer for oneway roads only that gives the user to bypass the doubt about road markings and adds the lanes=1 tag to the oneway road

@andrewharvey
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I would say that the two solid white lines are the lane markings and therefore lanes=1, if you had the same road in your photos but without any paint then that would be no markings.

@Mannivu
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Mannivu commented Mar 11, 2022

Those are not lane markings, though. Those are external marking that separates the shoulder from the proper roadway.

@HolgerJeromin
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duplicate of #2778

it doesn't matter what you answer there, it will be tagged the same if there is just one lane.
Or well: If you answer "is has no markings", it tags lane_markings=no and nothing more. If you answer "it has lanes: 1" it removes any lane_markings tag and sets lanes=1.

@Mannivu
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Mannivu commented Mar 11, 2022

Knowing that a road is a one lane street it's different from saying that I can't establish how many lanes there are.

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Bypass the doubt... hm well what is your suggestion? An other-answer? What should be the wording?

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@Mannivu
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Mannivu commented Mar 14, 2022

So I would suggest (for one way road only) an additional answer for a one-lane oneway road; something like this
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It seems to me though that "one lane one way road" does not really help that much to clear up a possible uncertainty because it implies that there is one lane. While to a user that is inclined to answer "no marked lanes", there are no lanes at all.

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valerio-bozzolan commented Mar 14, 2022

I suggest to add two cars travelling in both direction in the image related to "no marked lanes (two ways road)" and a single car travelling in just one direction for "one lane one way road", to be less confusing.

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So I would suggest (for one way road only) an additional answer for a one-lane oneway road; something like this photo_2022-03-14_14-17-39

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@westnordost
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FYI for oneway streets, the "lane count differs for each side" option is not shown. Only marked lanes + no marked lanes.

@Mannivu
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Mannivu commented Mar 18, 2022

@westnordost I understand that the wording "One lane oneway road" can be obscure, but maybe working on a specific image this could help the user better understand what we mean. So, what if we use something like this
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I don't see how this would help. The uncertainty mentioned is not that whether it is a oneway road but that someone may want to say "there are no lanes at all".

Anyway, what about removing the edge lines from the picture for "no marked lanes"? Would that make it (slightly) clearer?

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Mannivu commented Mar 22, 2022

Anyway, what about removing the edge lines from the picture for "no marked lanes"? Would that make it (slightly) clearer?

@westnordost yes, I think that this might help users.

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Alright, did that. The issue may not be completely solved from your point of view, but the other things suggested did not convince me.

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