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<p>IMPRIMATUR.</p>
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<hi>G. Jane</hi> R. P. D. Hen. Epis. <hi>Lond.</hi> a sac. dom.</signed>
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<p>A RELATION OF A Conference, Held About RELIGION, At LONDON, the Third of <hi>April,</hi> 1676.</p>
<p>By <hi>Edw. Stillingfleet</hi> D.D. and <hi>Gilbert Burnet,</hi> with some Gentlemen of the Church of ROME.</p>
<p>LONDON, Printed and are to be sold by <hi>Moses Pitt,</hi> at the <hi>Angel</hi> against the little North-door of S. <hi>Paul</hi>'s Church, M DC LXXVI.</p>
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<head>THE CONTENTS.</head>
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<item>THE Preface.</item>
<item>The Relation of the Confe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rence.</item>
<item>An addition by <hi>N. N.</hi> to what was then said.</item>
<item>An answer to that addition.</item>
<item>A Letter demonstrating that the Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine of the Church for the first eight Centuries was contrary to <hi>Transubstantiation.</hi>
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<item>A Discourse to show how unreaso<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nable it is to ask for express words of Scripture in proving all Arti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cles of Faith, and that a lust and good consequence from Scripture is sufficient.</item>
<item>A Discourse to shew that it was
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not only possible to change the Belief of the Church, concerning the manner of Christs presence in the Sacrament; but that it is very reasonable to conclude both that it might be done, and that it was truly done.</item>
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<p>PAge 18. <hi>l. 3. said to</hi> to be read at the end of <hi>l. 4.</hi> p. 8. <hi>l. 11.</hi> after <hi>Baptism</hi> read <hi>Ethiop.</hi> p. 23. <hi>l. 20.</hi> for <hi>cites</hi> read <hi>explains.</hi> p. 26. <hi>l. 3.</hi> for <hi>sayes</hi> r. <hi>has these words.</hi> p. 32. <hi>l. 26.</hi> after <hi>the Body of Christ</hi> these words are left out, <hi>is after some manner his Body, and the Sacrament of his Blood.</hi> p. 72. <hi>l. 28.</hi> for <hi>must</hi> r. <hi>to.</hi> p. 75. <hi>l. 19.</hi> for <hi>use</hi> r. <hi>prove.</hi> p. 86. <hi>l. 26.</hi> for <hi>these</hi> r. <hi>the.</hi> p. 93 <hi>l. 7.</hi> for <hi>yet</hi> r. <hi>you.</hi> p. 103. for <hi>History</hi> r. <hi>Heresy.</hi> p. 135. <hi>l. 14.</hi> for <hi>remained</hi> r. <hi>appeared in the world.</hi> p. 140. <hi>l. 22.</hi> for <hi>which</hi> r. <hi>who.</hi> The rest the reader will correct as he goes through.</p>
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<head>THE PREFACE.</head>
<p>TThere is nothing that is by a more universal agreement decried, than conferences about controversies of Religion: and no wonder, for they have been generally managed with so much heat and passion, parties being more con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cerned for Glory and Victory, than Truth; and there is such foul dealing in the accounts given of them, that it is not strange to see these prejudices taken up against them. And yet it cannot be denied but if Men of Candor and Calm<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ness should discourse about matters of Religion, without any other interest than to seek and follow Truth, there could not be a more effectual and easy way found for satisfying scruples. More can be said in one hour than read in a day: Besides that what is said in a discourse
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discretely managed, does more appositely meet with the doubtings and difficul<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ties any body is perplexed with, than is possibly to be found in a book: and since almost all Books disguise the opinions of those that differ from them, and re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>present their arguments as weak, and their opinions as odious; Conferences between those of different perswasions do remedy all these evils. But after all the advantages of this way, it must be confessed that for the greater part Men are so engaged to their opinions by in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>terest and other ties, that in Conferen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ces most persons are resolved before-hand to yield to no conviction, but to defend every thing: being only concerned to say so much as may darken weaker minds that are witnesses, and give them some oc<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>casion to triumph; at least conceal any foil they may have received, by wrapping up some pittiful shift or other, in such words, and pronouncing them with such accents of assurance, and per<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>haps scorn, that they may seem to come off with victory.</p>
<p>And it is no less frequent to see Men after they have been so baffled, that all discerning witnesses are ashamed of
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them, yet being resolved to make up with impudence what is wanting in Truth, as a Coward is generally known to boast most, where he has least cause; publish about what feats they have done, and tell every body they see how the cause in their mouth did triumph over their enemies: that so the praise of the defeat given may be divided be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tween the cause and themselves: and though in modesty they may pretend to ascribe all to Truth and the faith they contended for, yet in their hearts they desire the greatest part be offered to them<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>selves.</p>
<p>All these considerations with a great many more did appear to us, when the Lady <hi>T.</hi> asked us if we would speak with her Husband and some others of the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> as well for clear<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing such scruples as the perpetual con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>verse with those of that Religion had raised in the Lady; as for satisfying her Husband, of whose being willing to receive instruction she seemed confident. Yet being well assured of the Ladies great candor and worth, and be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing willing to stand up for the Vindica<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion and Honour of our Church, what<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ever
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might follow on it, we promised to be ready to wait on her at her house upon advertisement: without any nice treating before-hand, what we should confer about. Therefore we neither asked who should be there, nor what number, nor in what method, or on what parti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>culars our discourse should run, but went thither carrying only one Friend along with us for a witness. If the discourse had been left to our managing, we re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>solved to have insisted chiefly on the corruptions in the worship of the Roman Church: to have shewed on several Heads that there was good cause to re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>form these abuses: and that the Bishops and Pastors of this Church, the Civil Authority concurring, had sufficient authority for reforming it. These be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing the material things in controversy, which must satisfy every person if well made out, we intended to have discours<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed about them; but being put to an<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>swer, we followed those we had to deal with.</p>
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left her house, but we resumed among our selves all had passed, that it might be written down, what ever should fol<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>low, to be published if need were. So we agreed to meet again three days after, to compare what could be writ<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ten down, with our memories. And having met, an account was read, which did so exactly contain all that was spo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ken, as far as we could remember, that after a few additions, we all Three Signed the Narrative then agreed to. Few days had passed when we found we had need of all that care and caution, for the matter had got wind, and was in every bodies Mouth. Many of our best Friends know how far we were from talking of it, for till we were asked about it, we scarce opened our Mouths of it to any Person. But when it was said that we had been baffled and foiled, it was necessary for us to give some account of it: Not that we were much concerned in what might be thought of us, but that the most ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cellent cause of our Church and Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ligion might not suffer by the mis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>representations of this conference. And the truth was, there was so little said by
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seven or eight ages was contrary to Transubstantiation: which we sent to the Lady on the seventeenth of <hi>April</hi> to be communicated to them. And therefore though our Conference was generally talked of, and all Persons desired an account of it might be published; yet we did delay it till we should hear from them. And meeting on the twenty ninth of <hi>April</hi> with him who is mark<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed <hi>N. N.</hi> in the account of the Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ference, I told him, the foolish talk was made by their Party about this Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ference, had set so many on us, who all called to us to print the account of it, that we were resolved on it: But I desired he might any time between and <hi>Trinity</hi> Sunday, bring me what exceptions He or the other Gentlemen had to the account we sent them, which he confessed he had seen. So I desired that by that day I might have what ad<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ditions they would make either of what they had said but was forgot by us, or what they would now add upon second thoughts: but longer I told him I could not delay the publishing it. I de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired also to know by that time whe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther they intended any answer to the
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Account we sent them of the Doctrine of the Fathers about Transubstantiation. He confessed he had seen that Paper: But by what he then said, it seemed they did not think of any answer to it.</p>
<p>And so I waited still expecting to hear from him. At length on the twenti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>eth of <hi>May N. N</hi> came to me, and told me some of these Gentlemen were out of Town, and so he would not take on him to give any thing in writing; yet he de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired me to take notice of some particu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lars he mentioned, which I intreated he would write down that he might not complain of my misrepresenting what he said. This he declined to do, so I told him I would set it down the best way I could, and desired him to call again that he might see if I had written it down faithfully, which he promised to do that same afternoon, and was as good as his word, and I read to him what is subjoined to the relati<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on of the conference, which he acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledged was a faithful account of what he had told me.</p>
<p>I have considered it I hope to the full, so that it gave me more occasion of can<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vassing the whole matter. And thus the
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Reader will find a great deal of reason to give an entire credit to this rela<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion, since we have proceeded in it with so much candor, that it is plain we in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tended not to abuse the credulity of any, but were willing to offer this account to the censure of the adverse party; and there being nothing else excepted against it, that must needs satisfy every reason<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>able man that all is true that he has here offered to his perusal.</p>
<p>And if these Gentlemen or any of their friends publish different or con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>trary Relations of this Conference, with<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>out that fair and open way of procedure which we have observed towards them; we hope the Reader will be so just as to consider that our method in publishing this account has been candid and plain, and looks like men that were doing an honest thing, of which they were neither afraid nor ashamed: which can<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>not in reason be thought of any surrepti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tious account that like a work of dark<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ness may be let fly abroad, without the name of any person to answer for it on his Conscience or reputation: and that at least he will suspend his belief till
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a competent time be given to shew what mistake or errors any such relation may be guilty of.</p>
<p>We do not expect the Reader shall receive great Instructions from the fol<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lowing Conference, for the truth is, we met with nothing but shufling. So that he will find when ever we came to dis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>course closely to any head, they very dex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>trously went off from it to another, and so did still shift off from following any thing was suggested. But we hope every Reader will be so just to us as to acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledge it was none of our fault, that we did not canvass things more ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>actly, for we proposed many things of great Importance to be discoursed on, but could never bring them to fix on any thing. And this did fully satis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fy the Lady <hi>T.</hi> when she saw we were ready to have justified our Church in all things, but that they did still decline the entering into any matter of weight: So that it appeared both to her and the rest of the company, that what boastings soever they spread about as if none of us would or durst appear in a conference to vindicate our Church, all were without
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ground; and the Lady was by the blessing of God further confirmed in the truth, in which we hope God shall continue her to her lifes end.</p>
<p>But we hope the letter and the two di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>scourses that follow, will give the Read<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>er a more profitable entertainment. In the letter we give many short hints, and set down some select passages of the Fa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thers, to shew they did not believe Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation. Upon all which we are ready to join issue to make good every thing in that paper, from which we be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve it is apparent the primitive Church was wholly a stranger to Transubstan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tiation.</p>
<p>It was also judged necessary by some of our Friends that we should to pur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pose and once for all, expose and discre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dit that unreasonable demand of shewing all the Articles of our Church in the ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press words of Scripture: upon which the first discourse was written.</p>
<p>And it being found that no answer was made to what <hi>N. N.</hi> said, to shew that it was not possible the Doctrine of
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Transubstantiation could have crept in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>to any age, if those of that age had not had it from their Fathers, and they from theirs up to the Apostles dayes, this be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing also since our Conference laid home to me by the same person, it was thought fit to give a full account how this Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine could have been brought into the Church, that so a change <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
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</gap>ay appear to have been not only possible, but also pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bable, and therefore the second discourse was written.</p>
<p>If these discourses have not that full fi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nishing and life which the Reader would desire, he must regrate his misfortune in this, that the person who was best able to have written them, and given them all possible advantages out of that vast stock of learning and judgment he is master of, was so taken up with other work cut out for him by some of these Gentlemens Friends of which we shall see an excel<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lent account very speedily, that it was not possible for him to spare so much time for writing these; so that it fell to the others share to do it: and therefore the reader is not to expect any thing like those high strains of wit and reason which
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fill all that Authors writings, but must give allowance to one that studies to follow him though at a great distance: Therefore all can be said from him is, that what is here performed was done by his direction, and approbation, which to some degree will again encourage the Reader, and so I leave him to the peru<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sal of what follows.</p>
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<head>THE RELATION OF THE Conference, Monday Afternoon the third of <hi>April, 1676.</hi>
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<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> and M. <hi>B.</hi> went to M. <hi>L. T's.</hi> as they had been desired by <hi>L. T.</hi> to confer with some Persons upon the Grounds of the Church of <hi>Eng<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lands</hi> separating from <hi>Rome,</hi> and to shew how unreasonable it was to go from our Church to theirs.</p>
<p>About half an hour after them, came in <hi>S.P.T.</hi> Mr. <hi>W.</hi> and three more. There were present seven or eight La<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dies, three other Church-men, and one or two more. When we were all set D. <hi>S.</hi> said to <hi>S.P.T.</hi> that we were come to wait on them for justifying our
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Church; that he was glad to see, we had Gentlemen to deal with, from whom he expected fair dealing, as on the other hand he hoped they should meet with nothing from us, but what became our profession.</p>
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<hi>S. P.</hi> said, they had Protestants to their Wives, and there were other Reasons too to make them with they might turn Protestants; therefore he desired to be satisfyed in one thing. And so took out the Articles of the Church, and read these words of the Sixth Article of the Holy Scriptures; [So that whatsoever is not read therein nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an Article of Faith, or be thought requisite or ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cessary to salvation.] Then he turned to the Twenty Eighth Article of the Lords Supper, and read these words; [And the mean whereby the Body of Christ is received and eaten in the Sup<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>per, is Faith:] and added, he desired to know whether that was read in Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture or not, and in what place it was to be found.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, he must first explain that Article of the Scripture; for this method
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of proceeding was already sufficiently known and exposed; he clearly saw the Snare they thought to bring him in, and the advantages they would draw from it. But it was the cause of the Church he was to defend, which he ho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ped he was ready to seal with his Blood, and was not to be given up for a Trick. The meaning of the Sixth Article was, That nothing must be Received or Im<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>posed as an Article of Faith, but what was either expresly contained in Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture, or to be deduced and proved from it by a clear consequence; so that if in any Article of our Church which they rejected, he should either shew it in the express words of Scripture, or prove it by a clear consequence, he per<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>formed all required in this Article. If they would receive this, and fix upon it as the meaning of the Article, which certainly it was; then he would go on to the proof of that other Article he had called in question.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, They must see the Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticle in express Scripture, or at least in some places of Scripture which had been so interpreted by the Church, the Coun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cils or Fathers, or any one Council or Father. And he the rather pitched
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on this Article, because he judged it the only Article, in which all Protestants, except the Lutherans, were agreed.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, It had been the art of all the Hereticks from the <hi>Marcionites</hi> days, to call for express words of Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture. It was well known the <hi>Arrians</hi> set up their rest on this, that their Doctrine was not condemned by express words of Scripture; but that this was still re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>jected by the Catholick Church, and that <hi>Theodoret</hi> had written a Book, on purpose to prove the unreasonableness of this Challenge; therefore he de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired they would not insist on that which every body must see was not fair deal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing, and that they would take the Sixth Article entirely, and so go to see if the other Article could not be proved from Scripture, though it were not con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tained in express words.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> Added, that all the Fathers, wri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ting against the <hi>Arrians,</hi> brought their proofs of the Consubstantiality of the Son, from the Scriptures, though it was not contained in the express words of any place. And the <hi>Arrian</hi> Council that rejected the words Equisubstantial and Consubstantial, gives that for the reason, that they were not in the Scripture. And
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that in the Council of <hi>Ephesus</hi> S. <hi>Cyril</hi> brought in many propositions against the Nestorians, with a vast collection of places of Scripture to prove them by; and though the quotations from Scripture contained not those propo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sitions in express words; yet the Coun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cil was satisfied from them, and condemned the <hi>Nestorians.</hi> Therefore it was most unreasonable, and against the practice of the Catholick Church, to require express words of Scripture, and that the Article was manifestly a disjun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctive, where we were to chuse whether of the two we would chuse, either one or other.</p>
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<hi>S. P. T.</hi> said, <hi>Or</hi> was not in the Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticle.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, <hi>Nor</hi> was a negative in a disjunctive proposition, as <hi>Or</hi> was an affirmative, and both came to the same meaning.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, That S. <hi>Austin</hi> charged the Heretick to read what he said in the Scripture.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, S. <hi>Austin</hi> could not make that a constant rule, otherwise he must reject the Consubstantiality which he did so zealously assert; though he might in disputing urge an Heretick
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with it on some other account.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, The Scripture was to deliver to us the revelation of God, in matters necessary to Salvation; but it was an unreasonable thing to demand proofs for a negative in it: for if the Roman Church have set up many Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrines, as Articles of Faith, without proof from the Scriptures, we had cause enough to reject these if there was no clear proofs of them from Scripture; but to require express words of Scri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pture for a negative, was as unjust as if <hi>Mahomet</hi> had said, the Christians had no reason to reject him, because there was no place in Scripture that called him an Impostor. Since then the Ro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>man Church had set up the Doctrine of Transubstantiation, and the sacrifice of the Mass, without either express Scri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pture or good proofs from it, their Church had good cause to reject these.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, The Article they de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired to be satisfied in was, if he under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stood any thing, a positive Article, and not a negative.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, The positive Article was, that Christ was received in the Ho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly Sacrament; but because they had (as our Church judged) brought in
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the Doctrine of the corporal presence without all reason, the Church made that explanation, to cast out the other; so that upon the matter it was a nega<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tive. He added, that it was also unrea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sonable to ask any one place to prove a Doctrine by; for the Fathers in their proceedings with the <hi>Arrians</hi> brought a great collection of places, which gave light to one another, and all concurred to prove the Article of Faith that was in controversy: so if we brought such a consent of many places of Scripture as proved our Doctrine, all being join<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed together, we perform all that the Fa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thers thought themselves bound to do in the like case.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> then at great length told them, The Church of <hi>Rome</hi> and the Church of <hi>England</hi> differed in many great and weighty points; that we were come thither to see, as these Gen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tlemen professed they desired, if we could offer good reason for them to turn Protestants, and as the Ladies pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fessed a desire to be further established in the Doctrine of the Church of <hi>Eng<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>land</hi>; In order to which, none could think it a proper method to pick out some words in the obscure corner of
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an Article, and call for express Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tures for them. But the fair and fit way was to examine whether the Church of <hi>England</hi> had not very good reason to separate from the Communion of the Church of <hi>Rome</hi>; therefore since it was for truth, in which ourSouls are so deep<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly concerned, that we enquired, he desi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>red they would join issue to examine ei<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther the grounds on which the Church of <hi>England</hi> did separate from the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> or the authority by which she did it: for if there was both good reason for it, and if those who did it, had a sufficient authority to do it, then was the Church of <hi>England</hi> fully vindicated. He did appeal to all that were present, if in this offer he dealt not candidly and fairly, and if all other ways were not shufling. Which he pressed with great earnest<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ness, as that only which could satisfy all peoples consciences.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> and <hi>S. P. T.</hi> said, God for<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bid they should speak one word for the Church of <hi>Rome</hi>; they understood the danger they should run by speak<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing to that.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He hoped they looked on us as Men of more Conscience and Ho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nesty, than to make an ill use of any
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thing they might say for their Church; that for himself he would die rather than be guilty of so base a thing, the very thought whereof he abhorred.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, That though the Law condemned the endeavouring to recon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cile any to the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> yet their justifying their Church when put to it, especially to Divines, in order to satisfaction which they professed they desired, could by no colour be made a transgression; And that as we engaged our Faith to make no ill use of what should be said, so if they doubt<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed any of the other Company, it was <hi>S. P.</hi> his house, and he might order it to be more private if he pleased.</p>
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<hi>S. P.</hi> Said, he was only to speak to the Articles of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> and desired express words for that Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticle. Upon this followed a long wrang<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ling, the same things were said over and over again. In the end.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said they had not asked where that Article was read: that they doubt<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed of it, for they knew it was in no place of Scripture, in which they were the more confirmed, because none was so much as alledged.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, Upon the terms in the 6.
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Article he was ready to undertake the 28. Article to prove it clearly by Scri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pture.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, But there must be no interpretations admitted of.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, It was certain the Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tures were not given to us, as Pariots are taught to speak words; we were en<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dued with a faculty of understanding, and we must understand somewhat by every place of Scripture. Now the true meaning of the words being that which God would teach us in the Scriptures, which way soever that were expres<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sed is the Doctrine revealed there; and it was to be considered that the Scriptures were at first delivered to plain and simple men to be made use of by all without distinction: therefore we were to look unto them as they did; and so S. <hi>Paul</hi> wrote his Epistles, which were the hardest pieces of the New Testament, to all in the Churches to whom he directed them.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, The Epistles were writ<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ten upon emergent occasions, and so were for the use of the Churches to whom they were directed.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, Though they were writ<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ten upon emergent occasions, yet they
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were written by Divine inspiration, and as a Rule of Faith, not only for those Churches but for all Christians.</p>
<p>But as M. <hi>W.</hi> was a going to speak,</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> came in, upon which we all rose up till he was set; So being set, af<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter some Civilities,</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> resumed a little what they were about, and told they were cal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ling for express Scriptures to prove the Articles of our Church by.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, If we be about Scriptures, where is the Judge that shall pass the Sentence who expounds them aright; otherwise the contest must be endless.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He had proposed a mat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter that was indeed of weight; there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore he would first shew, that these of the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> were not provi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ded of a sufficient or fit Judge of Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>troversies.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, That was not the thing they were to speak to; for though we destroyed the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> all to nought, yet except we built up our own, we did nothing: therefore he de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired to hear what we had to say for our own Church; he was not to med<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dle with the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> but to hear and be instructed if he could see
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reason to be of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> for may be it might be somewhat in his way.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He would not examine if it would be in his way to be of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> or not, but did heartily acknowledge with great civi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lity that he was a very fair dealer in what he had proposed, and that now he had indeed set us in the right way, and the truth was we were extream glad to get out of the wrangling we had been in before, and to come to treat of matters that were of importance. So af<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter some civilities had passed on both sides,</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, The Bishops and Pastors of the Church of <hi>England</hi> finding a great many abuses crept into the Church, particularly in the worship of God, which was chiefly insisted upon in the reformation, such as the images of the blessed Trinity, the worship whereof was set up and encouraged; The turning the devotions we ought to offer only to Christ, to the blessed Vir<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gin, the Angels and Saints; That the worship of God was in an unknown tongue; That the Chalice was taken from the people, against the express
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words of the institution; That Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation and the sacrifice of the Mass were set up; That our Church had good reason to judge these to be heinous abuses, which did much endan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ger the Salvation of Souls; therefore being the Pastors of the Church, and being assisted in it by the Civil powers, they had both good reason and suffici<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ent authority to reform the Church from these abuses, and he left it to M. <hi>C.</hi> to chuse on which of these parti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>culars they should discourse.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, The Bishops and Pa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stors having the charge of Souls were bound to feed the flock with sound Doctrine, according to the word of God. So S. <hi>Paul</hi> when he charged the Bishops of <hi>Ephesus</hi> to feed the flock, and to guard against Wolves or Se<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ducers; he commends them to the word of Gods Grace which is the Gospel. And in his Epistles to <hi>Timothy</hi> and <hi>Ti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tus</hi> wherein the rules of the Pastoral charge are set down, he commands <hi>Ti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mothy,</hi> and in him all Bishops and Pa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stors, to hold fast the Doctrine and form of sound words which he had deliver<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed, and tells him, the Scriptures were able to make the man of God perfect.
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If then the Bishops and Pastors of this Church found it corrupted by any un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sound Doctrine, or Idolatrous worship, they were by the Law of God and the charge of Souls for which they were accountable, obliged to throw out these corruptions and reform the Church; and this the rather, that the first Question proposed in the Conse<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cration of a Bishop, as it is in the Pon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tifical, is, Wilt thou teach these things which thou understandest to be in the Scripture, to the people committed to thee, both by thy Doctrine and Exam<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ple? To which he answers: I will.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, We had now offered as much as would be the subject of many dayes discourse, and he had but few mi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nutes to spare: therefore he desired to be informed what authority those Bi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>shops had to judge in matters which they found not only in this Church, but in all Churches round about them, should they have presumed to judge in these matters.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, It had been frequently the practice of many Nations and Pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vinces to meet in Provincial Synods, and reform abuses. For which he offered to prove they had both authority and
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president. But much more in some in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stances he was ready to shew of parti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>culars that had been defined by General Councils, which they only applied to their circumstances; and this was ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ver questioned but Provincial Synods might do.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> desired, to be first satisfied, by what Authority they could cut them<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>selves off from the obedience of the See of <hi>Rome,</hi> in King <hi>Henry</hi> the VIII. his days. The Pope then was looked on as the Monarch of the Christian world in Spirituals, and all Christendom was one Church, under One Head, and had been so for many Ages; So that if a Province or Country would cut them<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>selves from the Body of this Nation; for instance, <hi>Wales</hi> that had once distinct Princes, and say we acknowledge no right <hi>William</hi> the Conquerour had, so that we reject the Authority of those descended from him; they might have the same plea which this our Church had. For the day before that Act of Parliament did pass, after the 20. of <hi>Henry</hi> the VIII. the Pope had the Authority in Spirituals, and they were his Subjects in Spirituals: There<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore their Declaring he had none, could
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not take his Authority from him, no more than the Long Parliament had right to declare by an Act, that the So<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>veraign Power was in the Peoples hands, in pursuance of which they cut off the Kings head.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, The first General Coun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cils, as they established the Patriarchal Power, so the Priviledges of several Churches were preserved entire to them, as in the case of <hi>Cyprus</hi>; that the <hi>British</hi> Churches were not within the Patriarchal Jurisdiction of <hi>Rome</hi>; that afterwards the Bishops of <hi>Rome</hi> strik<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing in with the Interests of the Princes of <hi>Europe,</hi> and watching and improving all advantages, got up by degrees through many ages into that height of Authority, which they managed as ill as they unjustly acquired it, and particularly in <hi>England</hi>; where from King <hi>William</hi> the Conqueror his days, as their Illegal and oppressive Impositi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ons were a constant Grievance to the People, so our Princes and Parliaments were ever put to strugle with them. But to affront their Authority, <hi>Thomas Beck<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>et,</hi> who was a Traitour to the Law, must be made a Saint, and a day kept for him, in which they were to pray to God for
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mercy through his merits. It continu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing thus for several Ages, in the end a vigorous Prince arises, who was re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>solved to assert his own Authority. And he looking into the Oaths the Bishops swore to the Pope, they were all found in a <hi>Praemunire</hi> by them. Then did the whole Nation agree to assert their own freedom, and their Kings Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thority. And 'twas considerable, that those very Bishops, that in Qu<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>en <hi>Ma<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rys</hi> days did most cruelly persecute those of the Church of <hi>England,</hi> and advance the Interests of <hi>Rome,</hi> were the most zealous Assertors and Defen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ders of what was done by King <hi>Henry</hi> the VIII. Therefore the Popes power in <hi>England</hi> being founded on<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="2 letters">
<desc>••</desc>
</gap>o<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> just Title, and being managed with so much oppression, there was both a full Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thority and a great deal of reason for rejecting it. And if the Major Gene<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rals, who had their Authority from <hi>Cromwell,</hi> might yet have declared for the King, who had the true title, and against the Usurper; so the Bishops, though they had sworn to the Pope, yet that being contrary to the Alle<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>giance they ow'd the King, ought to have asserted the Kings Authority, and rejected the Pope's.</p>
<p>
<pb n="18" facs="tcp:62980:18"/>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, It seemed M. <hi>C.</hi> founded the Popes Right to the Authority he had in <hi>England</hi> chiefly upon Prescrip said to tion. But there were two things to be that: First, that no prescription runs against a divine right. In the clearing of titles among men, Prescription is in some cases a good title: But if by the Laws of God the Civil powers have a supream Authority over their subjects, then <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 word">
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</gap> prescription whatsoever can void this. Besides, the Bishops having full Authority and Jurisdiction, this could not be bounded or limited by any obedience the Pope claimed from them. Further, there can be no prescription in this case, where the Usurpation has been all along contested and opposed. We were ready to prove, that in the first Ages all Bishops were accounted brethren, Colleagues, and fellow-Bishops with the Bishop of <hi>Rome.</hi> That afterwards, as he was declared Patriarch of the West, so the other Patriarchs were equal in authority to him in their several Patriarchates. That <hi>Britain</hi> was no part of his Patriarchate, but an exempt, as <hi>Cyprus</hi> was. That his Power as Patriarch was only for re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceiving Appeals, or calling Synods, and
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did not at all encroach on the jurisdi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ction of other Bishops in their Sees; and that the Bishops in his Patriarchate did think they might separate from him. A famous Instance of this was in the sixth Century, when the Question was about the <hi>tria Capitula,</hi> for which the Western Bishops did generally stand, and Pope <hi>Vigilius</hi> wrote in de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fence of them; but <hi>Iustinian</hi> the Em<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>perour having drawn him to <hi>Constanti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nople,</hi> he consented with the Fifth Council to the condemning them. Up<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on which at his return many of the Western Bishops did separate from him. And as <hi>Victor</hi> Bishop of <hi>Tunes</hi> tells us (who lived at that time) That Pope was Synodically excommunicated by the Bishops of <hi>Africk.</hi> It is true, in the eighth Century the Decretal Epistles being forged his pretensions were much advanced: yet his universal jurisdicti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on was contested in all Ages, as might be proved from the known Instance of <hi>Hincmar</hi> Bishop of <hi>Rheims,</hi> and many more. Therefore how strong soever the Argument from Prescription may be in Civil things, it is of no force here.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, Now we are got into a contest of 1700. years story, but I know
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not when we shall get out of it. He con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fessed there was no Prescription against a divine right, and acknowledged all Bi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>shops were alike in their Order, but not in their Jurisdiction; as the Bishop of <hi>Oxford</hi> was a Bishop as well as the Arch<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bishop of <hi>Canterbury,</hi> and yet he was inferiour to him in Jurisdiction: But de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired to know, what was in the Popes authority that was so intolerable.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, That he should only de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bate about the Popes Jurisdiction, and to his question, for one Particular, That from the days of Pope <hi>Paschal</hi> the II. all Bishops swear obedience to the Pope, was intolerable bondage.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, Then will you acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledg that before that Oath was imposed the Pope was to be acknowledged: adding, That let us fix a time wherein we say the Pope began to usurp beyond his just authority, and he would prove by Protestant Writers that he had as great power before that time.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, Whatever his Patriarchal power was, he had none over <hi>Britain.</hi> For it was plain, we had not the Chri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stian faith from the <hi>Roman</hi> Church, as appeared from the very story of <hi>Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stin</hi> the Monk.</p>
<p>
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<hi>S. P. T.</hi> said, Did not King <hi>Lucius</hi> write to the Pope upon his receiving the Christian Faith?</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, he would wave all that, and ask, if the Church of <hi>England</hi> could justifie her for saking the obedience of the Bishop of <hi>Rome,</hi> when all the rest of the Christian world submitted to it.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He wondred to hear him speak so, Were not the <hi>Greek,</hi> the <hi>Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>menian,</hi> the <hi>Nestorian,</hi> and the <hi>Abis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sen</hi> Churches separated from the Ro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>man?</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, He wondred as much to hear him reckon the <hi>Nestorians</hi> among the Churches, that were condemned Hereticks.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, It would be hard for him to prove them <hi>Nestorians.</hi>
</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> asked why he called them so then.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> answered, because they were generally best known by that name.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, Did not the <hi>Greek</hi> Church reconcile it self to the <hi>Roman</hi> Church at the Council of <hi>Florence</hi>?</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, Some of their Bishops were partly trepanned, partly threatned into it; but their Church disowned them and it both, and continues to do so to this day.</p>
<p>
<pb n="22" facs="tcp:62980:20"/>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, Many of the Greek Church were daily reconciled to the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> and many of the o<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther Eastern Bishops had sent their obe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dience to the Pope.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, They knew there was e<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nough to be said to these things, that these arts were now pretty well discover<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed: But he insisted to prove, the Usurpa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tions of <hi>Rome</hi> were such as were incon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sistent with the supreme civil authori<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ty<gap reason="illegible: missing" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> and shewed the oath in the <hi>Pontifi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>
<gap reason="illegible: faint" extent="2 letters">
<desc>••</desc>
</gap>le</hi> by which, for instance, <hi>If the Pope command a Bishop to go to</hi> Rome, <hi>and his King forbid it, he must obey the Pope and disobey the King.</hi>
</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, These things were very consistent, that the King should be su<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pream in Civils and the Pope in Spiri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tuals: So that if the Pope commanded a thing that were Civil, the King must be obeyed and not he.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, By the words of the Oath the Bishops were to receive and help the Popes Legates, both in com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing and going. Now suppose the King declared it Treason to receive the Le<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gate, yet in this case the Bishops are sworn to obey the Pope, and this was a case that fell out often.</p>
<p>
<pb n="23" facs="tcp:62980:20"/>D. <hi>S.</hi> instanced the case of Queen <hi>Mary.</hi>
</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, If he comes with false Mandates, he is not a Legate.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, Suppose, as has fallen out an hundred times, he comes with Bulls, and well warranted, but the King will not suffer him to enter his Domi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nions, here the Bishops must either be Traitors or perjured.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, All these things must be understood to have tacite conditions in them, though they be not expressed, and gave a Simile which I have forgot.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, It was plain, <hi>Paschal</hi> the second devised that Oath on purpose to cut off all those reserves of their du<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ty to their Princes. And therefore the words are so full and large, that no Oath of Allegiance was ever conceived in more express terms.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, It was yet more plain from the words that preceed that clause about Legates, that <hi>they shall be on no Counsel to do the Pope any injury, and shall reveal none of his secrets.</hi> By which a provision was clearly made, that if the Pope did engage in any quarrel or war with any Prince, the Bishops were to assist the Popes as their sworn
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subjects, and to be faithful spies and correspondents to give intelligence. As he was saying this, <hi>L. T.</hi> did whisper D. <hi>S.</hi> who presently told the compa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ny, that the Ladies at whose desire we came thither, entreated we would speak to things that concerned them more, and discourse on the grounds on which the reformation proceeded; and there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore since he had before named some of the most considerable; he desired we might discourse about some of these.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, Name any thing in the Roman Church that is expresly contra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ry to Scriptures; but bring not your expositions of Scripture to prove it by, for we will not admit of these.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> asked if they did not ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>knowledge that it was only by the me<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>diation of Christ, that our sins were pardoned and eternal life given to us.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> answered, no question of it at all.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, Then have we not good reason to depart from that Church, that in an office of so great and daily use as was the absolution of penitents, after the words of absolution enjoins the fol<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lowing prayer to be used (which he read out of their ritual) [The passion of
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our Lord Jesus Christ, the merits of the blessed Virgin <hi>Mary</hi> and of all the Saints, and whatever good thou hast done or evil thou hast suffered, be to thee for the remission of sins, the encrease of Grace and the reward of eternal life] from whence it plainly follows that their Church ascribes the pardon of all sins and the eternal Salvation of their pe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nitents to the merits of the blessed Vir<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gin and the Saints, as well as the passion of our blessed Saviour.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, Here was a very severe charge put in against their Church with<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>out any reason, for they believed that our sins are pardoned and our Souls are saved only by the merits of Jesus Christ; but that several things may concur in several orders or wayes to produce the same effects. So although we are par<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>doned and saved only through Christ, yet without Holiness we shall never see God; we must also suffer whatever crosses he tries us with. So that these in another sense procure the pardon of our sins and eternal Salvation. Thus in like manner the prayers of the blessed Virgin and the Saints are great helps to our obtaining these: therefore though these be all joined together in the same
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prayer, yet it was an unjust charge on their Church to say they make them e<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>qual in their value or efficiency.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, The thing he had chiefly excepted against in that prayer was, that these things are ascribed to the merits of the blessed Virgin and the Saints. Now he had only spoken of their prayers, and he appealed <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>o all if the na<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tural meaning of these words was not that he charged on them, and the sense the other had offered was not forced.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, By merits were under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stood prayers, which had force and me<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rit with God.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, That could not be, for in another absolution, in the office of our Lady, they pray for remission of sins through the merits and prayers of the blessed Virgin: So that by merits must be meant somewhat else than their pray<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ers.</p>
<p>M. <hi>C.</hi> said, That as by our prayers on earth we help one anothers Souls, so by our giving almes for one another we might do the same; so also the Saints in Heaven might be helpful to us by their prayers and merits. And as soon as he had spoken this he got to his feet, and said he was in great hast and much busi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ness
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lay on him that day, but said to D. <hi>S.</hi> That when he pleased, he would wait on him and discourse of the other particulars at more length.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> assured him that when ever he pleased to appoint it, he should be ready to give him a meeting. And so he went away.</p>
<p>Then we all stood and talked to one another without any great order near half an hour, the discourse being chiefly about the Nags-head fable.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> apealed to the publick Regi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sters, and challenged the silence of all the popish writers all Queen <hi>Eliza<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>beth</hi>'s Reign when such a story was fresh and well known; and if there had been any colour for it, is it possible they could keep it up, or conceal it.</p>
<p>
<hi>S. P. T.</hi> said, All the Registers were forged, and that it was not possible to satisfy him in it, no more than to prove he had not four fingers on his hand: and being desired to read Doctor <hi>Bramhall</hi>'s book about it, he said he had read it six times over, and that it did not satis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fie him.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> asked him, how could any matter of fact that was a hundred years old be proved, if the publick Registers
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and the instruments of publick Notaries were rejected; and this the more, that this being a matter of fact which could not be done in a corner, nor escape the knowledge of their adversaries who might have drawn great and just advan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tages from publishing and proving it; yet that it was never so much as spoken of while that race was alive, is as clear an evidence as can be, that the forge<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ry was on the other side.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> Did clear the objection from the Commission and Act of Parliament, that it was only for making the ordi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nation legal in <hi>England</hi>; since in <hi>Ed<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ward</hi> the sixth's time the book of ordi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nation was not joined in the record to the book of Common-Prayer, from whence Bishop <hi>Bonner</hi> took occasion to deny their ordination as not accord<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing to Law; and added that <hi>Saunders</hi> who in Queen <hi>Elizabeth</hi>'s time denied the validity of our ordination, never alledged any such story. But as we were talking freely of this,</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, once or twice, they were satisfied about the chief design they had in that meeting, to see if there could be alledged any place of Scripture to prove that Article about the blessed
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Sacrament, and said somewhat that looked like the beginning of a Tri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>umph. Upon which,</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> desired all might sit down a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gain, that they might put that matter to an issue: so a Bible was brought, and</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> Being spent with much speak<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing, desired. M. <hi>B.</hi> to speak to it.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> turned to the 6th Chap. of S. <hi>Iohn</hi> verse 54. and read these words, <hi>Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life,</hi> and added, these words were, according to the common interpretation of their Church, to be understand of the Sacramental manducation.</p>
<p>This M. <hi>W.</hi> granted, only M. <hi>B.</hi> had said, all the Doctors understood these words so and</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, That all had not done so, which</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> did acknowledge, but said it was the received exposition in their Church, and so framed his argument. Eternal life is given to every one that receives Christ in the Sacrament, But by Faith only we get eternal life: Therefore by Faith only we receive Christ in the Sacrament. Otherwise he said, unwor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thy receivers must be said to have eter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal
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life, which is a contradiction, for as such they are under condemnation; yet the unworthy receivers have the external manducation; therefore that Manducation that gives eternal life with it, must be internal and spiritual; and that is by Faith.</p>
<p>A person whose name I know not, but shall henceforth mark him <hi>N. N.</hi> asked what M. <hi>B.</hi> meant, <hi>by Faith on<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly.</hi>
</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, By Faith he mean<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> such a believing of the Gospel, as carried a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>long with it Evangelical obedience: by Faith only he meant Faith as oppo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>site to sense.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> asked him if we received Christ's body and blood by our senses.</p>
<p>
<hi>N. N.</hi> said, we did.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> asked which of the senses, his taste, or touch, or sight, for that seemed strange to him.</p>
<p>
<hi>N. N.</hi> said, We received Christs body with our senses, as well as we did the substance of bread; for our senses did not receive the substance of bread; and did offer some things to illustrate this both from the <hi>Aristotelian</hi> and <hi>Carte<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sian Hypothesis.</hi>
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<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He would not engage in that
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subtlety which was a digression from the main argument, but he could not a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>void to think it a strange assertion to say we received Christ by our senses, and yet to say he was so present there that none of our senses could possibly perceive him. But to the main argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> denied the minor, that by Faith only we have eternal life.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> proved it thus, The Sons of God have eternal life, But by Faith only we become the Sons of God: Therefore by Faith only we had eternal life.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, Except he gave them both Major and Minor in express words of Scripture, he would reject the argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, That if he did demon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>strate that both the propositions of his argument were in the strictest constru<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ction possible equivalent to clear places of Scripture, then his proofs were good; therefore he desired to know which of the two propositions he should prove, either that the Sons of God have eter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal life, or that by Faith only we are the Sons of God.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, He would admit of no
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consequences, how clear soever they seemed, unless he brought him the ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press words of Scripture, and asked if his consequences were infallible.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, If the consequence was certain, it was sufficient; and he de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired all would take notice that they would not yield to clear consequences drawn from Scripture, which he thought (and he believed all impartial people would be of his mind) was as great an advantage to any cause, as could be de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sired: So we laid aside that argument, being satisfied that the Article of our Church, which they had called in que<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stion, was clearly proved from Scri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pture.</p>
<p>Then <hi>N. N.</hi> insisted to speak of the corporal presence, and desired to know upon what grounds we rejected it.</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, If we have no better rea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>son to believe Christ was corporally present in the Sacrament, than the Jews had to believe that every time they did eat their Pascha, the Angel was passing by their houses, and smiting the first born of the <hi>AEgyptians</hi>; then we have no reason at all; but so it is that we have no more reason.</p>
<p>
<hi>N. N.</hi> denied this, and said we had more reason.</p>
<p>
<pb n="33" facs="tcp:62980:25"/>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, All the reason we had to believe it was, because Christ said, This is my body; but <hi>Moses</hi> said of the Pas<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>chal festivity, This is the Lords Passo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ver; which was always repeated by the Jews in that anniversary. Now the Lords Passover was the Lords passing by the Israelites when he slew the first<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>born of <hi>AEgypt.</hi> If then we will under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stand Christs words in the strictly lite<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ral sense, we must in the same sense un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstand the words of <hi>Moses</hi>: But if we understand the words of <hi>Moses</hi> in any other sense, as the commemoration of the Lords Passover, then we ought to understand Christs words in the same sense.</p>
<p>The reason is clear; for Christ being to substitute this Holy Sacrament in room of the Jewish <hi>Pascha,</hi> and he using in every thing, as much as could agree with his blessed designs, forms as nea<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> the Jewish customes as could be, there is no reason to think he did use the words, <hi>this is my body,</hi> in any o<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther sense than the Jews did <hi>this is the Lords Passover.</hi>
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<p>
<hi>N. N.</hi> said, The disparity was great. First, Christ had promised before-hand he would give them his body. Second<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly,
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It was impossible the Lamb could be the Lords Passover in the literal sense, because an action that had been past some hundred of years before could not be performed every time they did eat the Lamb, but this is not so. Thirdly, The Jewish Church never understood these words literally, but the Christi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>an Church hath ever understood these words of Christ literally. Nor is it to be imagined that a change in such a thing was possible, for how could any such o<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pinion have crept in, in any age, if it had not been the Doctrine of the for<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mer age?</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, Nothing he had alledged was of any force. For the first, Christ's promise imported no more than what he performed in the Sacramental insti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tution. If then it be proved that by saying, <hi>This is my body,</hi> be only meant a commemoration, his promise must on<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly relate to his death commemorated in the Sacrament. To the second, the li<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>teral meaning of Christ's words is as impossible as the literal meaning of <hi>Mo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ses</hi>'s words; for besides all the other im<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>possibilities that accompany this cor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>poral presence, it is certain Christ gives us his body in the Sacrament as it was
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given for us, and his blood as it was shed for us, which being done only on the Cross above 1600 years ago, it is as impossible that should be literally given at every consecration, as it was that the Angel should be smiting the <hi>AEgyptians</hi> every Paschal Festivity. And here was a great mistake they went on securely in; that the body of Christ we receive in the Sacrament, is the body of Christ as he is now glori<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fied in Heaven: for by the words of the institution it is clear, that we receive his body as it was given for us when his blood was shed on the Cross, which being impossible to be reproduced now, we only can receive Christ by Faith. For his third difference, that the Chri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stian Church ever understood Christ's words so, we would willingly submit to the decision of the Church in the first 6 ages. Could any thing be more ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press than <hi>Theodoret,</hi> who arguing against the <hi>Eutychians</hi> that the humanity and Divinity of Christ were not confoun<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ded nor did depart from their own sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance, illustrates it from the Eucharist in which the Elements of Bread and Wine do not depart from their own sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance.</p>
<p>
<pb n="36" facs="tcp:62980:27"/>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, We must examine the Doctrine of the Fathers not from some occasional mention they make of the Sacrament, but when they treat of it on design and with deliberation. But to <hi>Theodoret</hi> he would oppose S. <hi>Cyrill</hi> of <hi>Jerusalem,</hi> who in his fourth <hi>Mist. Cate<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>chism</hi> saies expresly, Though thou see it to be bread, yet believe it is the flesh and the blood of the Lord Jesus; doubt it not since he had said, This is my body. And for a proof, instances Christs changing the water into wine.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, He had proposed a most excellent Rule for examining the Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine of the Fathers in this matter, not to canvase what they said in elo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quent and pious Treaties or Homilies to work on peoples Devotion, in which case it is natural for all persons to use high expressions; but we are to seek the real sense of this Mystery when they are dogmatically treating of it and the other Mysteries of Religion where Rea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>son and not Eloquence takes place. If then it should appear that at the same time both a Bishop of <hi>Rome</hi> and <hi>Constan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tinople,</hi> and one of the greatest Bishops in <hi>Africk</hi> did in asserting the Mysteries of Religion go downright against
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Transubstantiation, and assert that the substance of the bread and wine did remain; He hoped all would be satis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fied the Fathers did not believe as they did.</p>
<p>M. <hi>W.</hi> desired we would then an<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>swer the words of <hi>Cyrill.</hi>
</p>
<p>M. <hi>B.</hi> said, It were a very unreason<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>able thing to enter into a verbal di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>spute about the passages of the Fathers, especially the Books not being before us; Therefore he promised an answer in writing to the testimony of S. <hi>Cyrill.</hi> But now the matter was driven to a point, and we willingly underook to prove that for eight or nine Centuries after Christ the Fathers did not be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve Transubstantiation, but taught plainly the contrary: The Fathers ge<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nerally call the Elements Bread and Wine after the Consecration, they call them Mysteries, Types, Figures, Sym<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bols, Commemorations and signs of the body and blood of Christ: They generally deliver that the wicked do not receive Christ in the Sacrament, which shews they do not believe Transubstantiation. All this we under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>took to prove by undenyable evi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dences within a very few days or weeks.</p>
<p>
<pb n="38" facs="tcp:62980:28"/>M. <hi>W.</hi> said, He should be glad to see it.</p>
<p>D. <hi>S.</hi> said, Now we left upon that point which by the Grace of God we should perform very soon; but we had offered to satisfy them in the other grounds of the Separation from the Church of <hi>Rome</hi>; if they desired to be further informed we should wait on them when they pleased.</p>
<p>So we all rose up and took leave, after we had been there about three hours. The Discourse was carried on, on both sides, with great civility and calmness, without heat or clamour.</p>
<closer>This is as far as my Memory after the most fixed attention when present,
and careful Recollection since, does suggest to me, without any biass or
partiality, not having failed in any one mate<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rial thing as far as my
memory can serve me; This I declare as I shall an<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>swer to God.
<signed>Signed as follows, Gilbert Burnet.</signed>
</closer>
<closer>
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<dateline>
<date>April 6. 1676.</date>
</dateline>
This Narrative was read, and I do here<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>by attest the truth of it.
<signed>Edw. Stillingfleet.</signed>
</closer>
<closer>Being present at the Conference <date>April 3. 1676.</date>
I do, according to my best me<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mory, judge this a just and true Narra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tive
thereof.
<signed>Will. Nailor.</signed>
</closer>
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<div type="addendum_to_report">
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<head>The Addition which <hi>N. N.</hi> desired might be subjoined to the Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lation of the Conference if it were published, but wished rather that nothing at all might be made publick that related to the Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ference.</head>
<p>
<hi>THE substance of what N. N. desi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>red me to take notice of was,</hi> that our eating Christ's flesh and drinking his blood doth as really give everlasting life, as almsgiving, or any other good work<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> gives it, where the bare external action, if separated from a good intention and principle is not acceptable to God. So that we must ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cessarily understand these words of our Saviour with this addition of <hi>Wor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thily,</hi> that whoso eats his Flesh and drinks his Blood in the Sacrament <hi>Wor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thily</hi> hath everlasting life; for, <hi>he said,</hi> he did not deny but the believing the death of Christ was necessary in com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>municating, but it is not by Faith only we receive his Body and Blood. For as by Faith we are the Sons of God, yet it
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is not only by Faith but also by Bap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tism that we become the Sons of God; so also Christ saith, <hi>he that believeth and is Baptized shall be saved</hi>; yet this doth not exclude repentance and a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mendment of life from being necessary to Salvation: therefore the universa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lity of the expression, <hi>whoso eats,</hi> does not exclude the necessity of eating wor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thily that we may have everlasting life by it. And so <hi>did conclude</hi> that since we believe we have all our Faith in the Holy Scriptures, we must prove from some clear Scriptures by arguments that con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sist of a Major and Minor that are either express words of Scripture or equiva<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lent to them, that Christ was no other<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>wise present in the Sacrament than spi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ritually, as he is received by Faith. And <hi>added</hi> that it was impertinent to bring impossibilities either from sense or reason against this, if we brought no clear Scriptures against it.</p>
<p>
<hi>To this he also added, that when D.</hi> S. <hi>asked him by which of his senses he received Christ in the Sacrament, he answered,</hi> that he might really re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceive Christ's Body at his mouth, though none of his senses could perceive him, as a <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>ole or pill is taken in a sirrup or any
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other liquor, so that I really swallow it over though my senses do not tast it; in like manner Christ is received under the accidents of bread and wine, so that though our senses do not perceive it, yet he is really taken in at our Mouth and goes down into our Stomach.</p>
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<div type="answer">
<head>Answer.</head>
<p>HAving now set down the strength of <hi>N.N.</hi> his plea upon second thoughts, I shall next examine it. The stress of all lies in this, whether we must necessarily supply the words of Christ with the addition of <hi>worthily</hi>: he af<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>firms it, I deny it, for these reasons.</p>
<p>Christ in this discourse was to shew how much more excellent his Doctrine was than was <hi>Moses</hi> his Law, and that <hi>Moses</hi> gave <hi>Manna</hi> from Heaven to nourish their Bodies, notwithstanding which they died in the wilderness: But Christ was to give them food to their Souls, which if they did eat <hi>they should never die,</hi> for it should <hi>give them life.</hi> Where it is apparent the bread and nourishment must be such, as the life was, which being internal and spiri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tual, the other must be such also. And
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verse 47. he clearly explains how that food was received, <hi>he that believeth on me hath everlasting life.</hi> Now ha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ving said before that this bread gives life, and here saying that believing gives everlasting life, it very reasona<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bly follows that believing was the re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceiving this food. Which is yet clearer from verse 34. where the Jews ha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ving desired him <hi>evermore to give them that bread,</hi> he answers verse 35. <hi>I am the bread of life, he that comes to me shall never hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.</hi> Which no man that is not strangely prepossessed, can consider, but he must see it is an answer to their question, and so in it he tells them that their coming to him and be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieving was the mean of receiving that bread.</p>
<p>And here it must be considered that Christ calls himself bread, and says that a Man must eat thereof, which must be understood <hi>figuratively</hi>; and if Figures be admitted in some parts of that dis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>course, it is unjust to reject the apply<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing the same Figures to other parts of it. In fine, Christ tells them this bread <hi>was his flesh which he was to give for the life of the World,</hi> which can be ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>plied
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to nothing but the offering up himself on the Cross. This did, as it was no wonder, startle the Jews, so they murmured, and said, <hi>How can this man give us his flesh to eat?</hi> To which Christs answer is so clear, that it is indeed strange there should remain any doubting about it. He first tells them, <hi>except they eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Son of man they had no life in them.</hi> Where on the way mark, that <hi>drinking the blood</hi> is as necessary as <hi>eating the flesh</hi>; and these words be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing expounded of the Sacrament, can<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>not but discover them extreamly guil<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ty, who do not <hi>drink the blood.</hi> For suppose the Doctrine of the bloods concomitating the flesh were true; yet even in that case they only <hi>eat the blood,</hi> but cannot be said to <hi>drink the blood.</hi> But from these words it is ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>parent Christ must be speaking chiefly if not only of the spiritual Communi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cating: for otherwise no man can be saved, that hath not received the Sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>crament. The words are formal and po<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sitive, and Christ having made this a necessary condition of life, I see not how we dare promise life to any that hath never received it.</p>
<p>
<pb n="45" facs="tcp:62980:31"/>And indeed it was no wonder that those Fathers who understood these words of the Sacrament, appointed it to be given to infants immediately af<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter they were baptized; for that was a necessary consequence that followed this exposition of our Saviours words. And yet the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> will not deny, but if any die before he is adult, or if a person converted be in such cir<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cumstances that it is not possible for him to receive the Sacrament, and so dies without it, he may have everlast<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing life: therefore they must conclude that Christs flesh may be eaten by faith even without the Sacrament.</p>
<p>Again in the next verse he says, <hi>Whoso eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life.</hi> These words must be understood in the same sense they had in the former verse, they being indeed the reverse of it. There<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore since there is no addition of <hi>wor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thily</hi> necessary to the sence of the former verse, neither is it necessary in this. But it must be concluded Christ is here speaking of a thing without which none can have life: and by which all have life: therefore when ever Christs flesh is eaten, and his blood is drunk, which
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is most signally done in the Sacrament, there eternal life must accompany it; and so these words must be understood, even in relation to the Sacrament, on<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly of the spiritual Communicating by Faith.</p>
<p>As when it is said a man is a reason<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>able Creature: though this is said of the whole man, Body and Soul; yet when we see that upon the dissolution of Soul and Body no reason or life remains in the body, we from thence positively conclude the reason is seat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed only in the Soul; though the body has organs that are necessary for its operations: So when it is said we eat Christs flesh and drink his blood in the Sacrament which gives eternal life; there being two things in it, the bodily eating and the spiritual Communica<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ting; though the eating of Christs flesh is said to be done in the worthy re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceiving, which consists of these two, yet since we may clearly see the bodily receiving may be without any such effects, we must conclude that the eating of Christs flesh is only done by the inward Communicating: though the other, that is the bodily part, be a divine Organ, and conveyance of it.
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And as reason is seated only in the Soul, so the eating of Christs flesh must be only inward and spiritual, and so the mean by which we receive Christ in the Supper is faith.</p>
<p>All this is made much clearer by the words that follow, <hi>my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.</hi> Now Christs flesh is so eaten, as it is meat; which I suppose none will que<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stion, it being a prosecution of the same discourse. Now it is not meat as taken by the body, for they cannot be so gross as to say, Christs flesh is the meat of our body: therefore since his flesh is only the meat of the Soul and spiritual nourishment, it is only eaten by the Soul and so received by faith.</p>
<p>Christ also says, <hi>He that eateth my flesh and drinks my blood dwells in him and he in him.</hi> This is the defini<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion of that eating and drinking he had been speaking of; so that such as is the dwelling in him, such also must be the eating of him: the one therefore being spiritual, inward, and by faith, the other must be such also. And thus it is as plain as can be, from the words of Christ, that he spake not of a car<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal or corporal, but of a spiritual eat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing
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of his flesh by faith. All this is more confirmed by the Key our Savi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>our gives of his whole Discourse, when the <hi>Iews</hi> were offended for the hardness of his sayings, <hi>It is the spirit that quickneth</hi> (or giveth the life he had been speaking of) <hi>the flesh profit<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>eth nothing, the words I speak unto you are spirit and they are life.</hi> From which it is plain he tells them to un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstand his words of a spiritual life and in a spiritual manner.</p>
<p>But now I shall examine <hi>N.N.</hi> his reasons to the contrary.</p>
<p>His chief Argument is, that when eternal life is promised upon the giving of Alms, or other good Works, we must necessarily understand it with this <hi>proviso,</hi> that they were given with a good intention and from a good principle: therefore we must understand these words of our Savi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>our to have some such proviso in them.</p>
<p>All this concludes nothing. It is in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>deed certain when any promise is past upon an external action, such a reserve must be understood. And so S. <hi>Paul</hi> tells us, <hi>if he bestowed all his goods to feed the poor and had no Charity, it pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fited
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him nothing.</hi> And if it were clear our Saviour were here speaking of an external action, I should acknowledge such a <hi>proviso</hi> must be understood; but that is the thing in question, and I hope I have made it appear Our Sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>viour is speaking of an internal action, and therefore no such proviso is to be supposed. For he is speaking of that eat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing of his flesh, which must necessa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rily and certainly be worthily done, and so that objection is of no force. He must therefore prove that the eating his flesh is primarily and simply meant of the bodily eating in the Sacrament; and not only by a denomination, from a relation to it: as the whole man is cal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>led reasonable, though the reason is seated in the soul only.</p>
<p>What he says to shew that by faith only we are not the Sons of God, since by Baptism also we are the Sons of God, is not to the purpose: for the design of the argument, was to prove that by Faith only we are the Sons of God, so as to be the Heirs of eternal life. Now the baptism of the adult (for our debate runs upon those of ripe years and un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstanding) makes them only exter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nally, and Sacramentally the Sons of
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God: for the inward and vital sonship follows only upon Faith. And this Faith must be understood of such a lively and operative faith, as includes both repentance and amendment of life. So that when our Saviour says, <hi>he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved,</hi> that believing is a complex of all evangelical graces: from which it appears, that none of his reasons are of force enough to conclude that the universality of these words of Christ ought to be so limited and restricted.</p>
<p>For what remains of that which he desired might be taken notice of, that we ought to prove that Christs body and blood was present in the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment only spiritually and not corpo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rally by express Scriptures, or by ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>guments whereof the Major and Minor were either express words of Scripture, or equivalent to them: it has no force at all in it.</p>
<p>I have in a full discourse examined all that is in the plea concerning the ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press words of Scripture: and there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore shall say nothing upon that head, referring the Reader to what he will meet with on that subject afterwards. But here I only desire the Reader may
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consider our contest in this particular is concerning the true meaning of our Saviours words, <hi>This is my body</hi>; in which it is very absurd to ask for ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press words of Scripture, to prove that meaning by. For if that be'setled on, as a necessary method of proof, then when other Scriptures are brought to prove that to be the meaning of these words; it may be asked how can we prove the true meaning of that place we bring to prove the meaning of this by? and so by a progress for ever we must contend about the true meaning of every place. Therefore when we enquire into the sense of any contro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>verted place: we must judge of it by the rules of common sense and reason of Religion and Piety, and if a mean<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing be affixed to any place contrary to these, we have good reason to reject it. For we knowing all external things only by our senses, by which only the miracles & resurrection of Christ could be proved, which are the means God has given us to converse with, and enjoy his whole creation; and the evidence our senses give being such, as naturally de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>termines our perswasions so that after them we cannot doubt; if then a sense
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be offered to any place of Scripture that does overthrow all this, we have suf<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ficient reason on that very account to reject it. If also any meaning be fastened on a place of Scripture that destroyes all our conceptions of things, is con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>trary to the most universally received maxims, subverts the notions of mat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter and accidents, and in a word con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>founds all our clearest apprehensions; we must also reject every such gloss, since it contradicts the evidence of that which is Gods image in us.</p>
<p>If also a sense of any place of Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture be proposed that derogates from the glorious exaltation of the humane nature of our blessed Saviour, we have very just reasons to reject it, even though we could bring no confirmati<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on of our meaning from express words of Scripture. Therefore this dispute be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing chiefly about the meaning of Christ's words, he that shews best reasons to prove that his sense is consonant to truth, does all that is necessary in this case.</p>
<p>But after all this, we decline not to shew clear Scriptures for the meaning our Church puts on these words of Christ. It was <hi>bread</hi> that Christ <hi>took,
<pb n="53" facs="tcp:62980:35"/>
blessed, brake, and gave his Disciples.</hi> Now the Scripture calling it formal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly <hi>bread,</hi> destroyes Transubstantiation. Christ said, <hi>This is my body,</hi> which are declarative and not imperative words, such as, <hi>Let there be light,</hi> or <hi>Be thou whole.</hi> Now all declarative words sup<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pose that which they affirm to be alrea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy true, as is most clear; therefore Christ pronounces what the bread was become by his former blessing, which did sanctity the Elements: and yet after that blessing it was still bread. Again, the reason and end of a thing, is that which keeps a proportion with the means toward it; so that Christs words <hi>Do this in remembrance of me,</hi> shew us that his Body is here only in a vital and living commemoration and com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>munication of his Body and Blood. Fur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther, Christ telling us, it was <hi>his Body that was given for us, and his Blood shed for us,</hi> which we there receive; it is ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>parent, he is to be understood present in the Sacrament; not as he is now ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>alted in glory, but as he was on the Cross when his blood was shed for us.</p>
<p>And in fine, if we consider that those to whom Christ spake were Jews, all this will be more easily understood: for
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it was ordinary for them to call the <hi>sym<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bole</hi> by the name of the <hi>original</hi> it re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>presented. So they called the <hi>cloud</hi> be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tween the <hi>Cherubims God</hi> and <hi>Iehovah</hi> according to these words, <hi>O thou that dwellest between the Cherubims</hi>: and all the symbolical apparitions of God to the Patriarchs and the Prophets were said to be <hi>the Lord appearing to them.</hi> But that which is more to this purpose is, that the Lamb that was the symbole and memorial of their deliverance out of <hi>AEgypt,</hi> was called <hi>the Lords Pass<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>over.</hi> Now though the Passover then was only a type of our deliverance by the death of Christ, yet the Lamb was in proportion to the Passover in <hi>AEgypt,</hi> as really a representation of it as the Sacrament is of the death of Christ. And it is no more to be wondered that Christ called the Elements his Body and Blood, though they were not so corporally, but only mystically, and sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cramentally; than that <hi>Moses</hi> called the lamb <hi>the Lords Passover.</hi> So that it is apparent it was common among the Jews to call the <hi>Symbole</hi> and <hi>Type</hi> by the name of the <hi>Substance</hi> and <hi>Origi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal.</hi> Therefore our Saviours words are to be understood in the sense and stile
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that was usual among these to whom he spake, it being the most certain rule of understanding any doubtful expression, to examine the ordinary stile and forms of speech of that Age, People, and Place, in which such phrases were used.</p>
<p>This is signally confirmed by the ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>count which <hi>Maimonides</hi> gives us,<note place="margin">
<hi>More Ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vochim Par.</hi> 1. c. 30.</note> of the sense in which <hi>eating</hi> and <hi>drinking</hi> is oft taken in the Scriptures. First he saies it stands in its natural signification, for re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceiving bodily food: Then because there are two things done in eating, the first is the destruction of that which is eaten, so that it loseth its first form; the other is the encrease and nourish<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment of the substance of the person that eats: therefore he observes that eating has two other significations in the language of the Scriptures. The one is <hi>destruction</hi> and desolation: so the Sword is said to eat, or as we ren<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>der it to <hi>devour</hi>; so a Land is said to <hi>eat its Inhabitants,</hi> and so Fire is said to eat or consume. The other sense it is taken in does relate to <hi>Wisdom, Learning,</hi> and <hi>all Intellectual ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>prehensions, by which the form</hi> (or soul) <hi>of man is conserved from the perfection
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that is in them, as the body is preserved by food.</hi> For proof of this he cites divers places out of the Old Testament, as <hi>Isai.</hi> 55.2. <hi>come buy and eat,</hi> and <hi>Prov.</hi> 25. 27. and <hi>Prov.</hi> 24. 13. he also adds that their Rabbins commonly call <hi>Wis<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dom, eating</hi>; and cites some of their say<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ings, as <hi>come and eat flesh in which there is much fat,</hi> and that <hi>when ever eating and drinking is in the Book of the</hi> Pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>verbs, <hi>it is nothing else but Wisdom or the Law. So also Wisdom is often called Water,</hi> Isai. 55.1. and he concludes that <hi>because this sense of eating occurs so often, and is so manifest and evident, as if it were the primary and most pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>per signification of the word, therefore hunger and thirst do also stand for a pri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vation of Wisdom and Vnderstanding,</hi> as <hi>Amos</hi> 8. 21. to this he also refers that of thirsting, <hi>Psalm.</hi> 42. 3. and <hi>Isai.</hi> 12. 3. and <hi>Ionathan</hi> paraphrasing these words, <hi>ye shall draw Water out of the Wells of Salvation,</hi> renders it, <hi>ye shall receive a new Doctrine with joy from the Select ones among the Iust,</hi> which is fur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther confirmed from the words of our Saviour, <hi>Iohn</hi> 7. 37.</p>
<p>And from these observations of the I earnedest and most Judicious among all
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the Rabbins, we see that the <hi>Iewes</hi> un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstood the phrases of <hi>eating</hi> and <hi>eating of flesh</hi> in this Spiritual and figurative sense of <hi>receiving Wisdom and In<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>struction.</hi> So that this being an usual form of speech among them, it is no strange thing to imagin how our Sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>viour being a <hi>Iew</hi> according to the flesh, and conversing with <hi>Iews</hi> did use these Terms and Phrases in a sense that was common to that Nation.</p>
<p>And from all these set together we are confident we have a great deal of reason, and strong and convincing au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thorities from the Scriptures, to prove Christs words, <hi>This is my Body,</hi> are to be understood Spiritually, Mystically, and Sacramentally.</p>
<p>There remains only to be considered what weight there is in what <hi>N. N.</hi> says. He answered to D. <hi>S. that Christ might be received by our senses though not perceived by any of them, as a bole is swallowed over, though our taste does not relish or perceive it.</hi> That <hi>Great Man</hi> is so very well furnished with rea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>son and learning to justify all he says, that no other body needs interpose on his account. But he being now busie, it was not worth the giving him the
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trouble, to ask how he would reply upon so weak an answer, since its shal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lowness appears at the first view: for is there any comparison to be made be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tween an object that all my senses may perceive, if I have a mind to it, that I see with mine eyes, and touch, and feel in my mouth, and if it be too big, and my throat too narrow I will feel stick there; but only to guard a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gainst its offensive taste, I so wrap or conveigh it, that I relish nothing un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>grateful in it: and the receiving Christ with my senses, when yet none of them either do, or can, though ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>plied with all possible care, discern him? So that it appears D. <hi>S.</hi> had very good reason to say, it seemed in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>deed strange to him, to say, that Christ was received by our senses, and yet was so present that none of our senses can perceive him: and this answer to it is but meer trifling.</p>
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<head>Here follows the Paper we pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mised, wherein an account is given of the Doctrine of the Church for the first <hi>Eight Centuries</hi> in the point of the <hi>Sacrament,</hi> which is demonstrated to be contrary to <hi>Transubstantiation,</hi> written in a Letter to my Lady <hi>T.</hi>
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<salute>Madam,</salute>
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<p>YOUR Ladiship may remember, That our Meeting at your House on the third Instant ended with a Promise we made, of sending you such an account of the sense of the Fathers for the first Six Ages, as might sufficiently satisfie every impartial person, <hi>That they did not believe Transubstantia<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion.</hi> This Promise we branched out in three Propositions: First That the Fathers did hold, That after the Consecration the Elements of Bread and Wine did remain unchanged in their substance. The Se<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cond,
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was, That after the Consecration they called the Elements the Types, the An<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>titypes, the Mysteries, the Symboles, the Signs, the Figures, and the Commemora<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tions of the Body and Blood of Christ; which certainly will satisfie every unpre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>judiced person, That they did not think the Bread and Wine were annihilated, and that in their room, and under their acci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dents, the substance of the Body and Blood of Christ was there. Thirdly, we said, That by the Doctrine of the Fathers the un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>worthy Receivers got not the Body and the Blood of Christ; from which it must necessarily follow, That the substance of his Body and Blood is not under the ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cidents of Bread and Wine: Otherwise all these that unworthily receive them eat Christs Body and Blood. Therefore to discharge our selves of our Promise, we shall now give your Ladiship such an account of the Doctrine of the Fathers on these Heads, as we hope shall con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vince those Gentlemen, that we had a good warrant for what we said.</p>
<p>The first Proposition is, <hi>The Fathers believed that after the Consecration the Elements were still Bread and Wine.</hi> The Proofs whereof we shall divide in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>to three branches: The first shall be,
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That after the Consecration they usually called them Bread and Wine. Secondly, That they expresly assert, that the sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance of Bread and Wine remained. Third<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly, That they believed the Sacramental Bread and Wine did nourish our bodies.</p>
<p>For proof of the First, we desire the following Testimonies be considered:</p>
<p>
<hi>Iustin Martyr</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Apolog.</hi> 2.</note>
<hi>These who are cal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>led Deacons, distribute the blessed Bread and Wine and Water to such as are present, and carry it to the absents, and this nou<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rishment is by us called the Eucharist.</hi> And a little after, <hi>We do not receive these as com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon Bread, or common Drink; for as by the word of God Iesus Christ our Saviour being made Flesh, had both Flesh and Blood for our salvation, so we are taught, that that food by which our blood and flesh are nourished, by its change, being blessed by the word of Prayer which he gave us, is both the Flesh and the Blood of the In<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>carnate Jesus.</hi> Thus that Martyr that wrote an hundred and fifty years after Christ, calls the Elements <hi>Bread and Wi<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>e, and the nourishment which being changed into Flesh and Blood nourishes them.</hi> And saying, <hi>it is not common Bread and Wine,</hi> he says, that it was still so in substance; and his illustrating
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it with the Incarnation, in which the Humane Nature did not lose nor change its substance in its union with the Eter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal Word, shews, he thought not the Bread and Wine lost their substance when they became the Flesh and Blood of Christ.</p>
<p>The next Witness is <hi>Irenaeus,</hi> who writing against the <hi>Valentinians,</hi>
<note place="margin">Lib.4. <hi>adv. Her</hi> c. 34.</note> that denied the <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>ather of our Lord Jesus to be the Creator of the world, and also denied the Resurrection of the Body; confutes both these Heresies by argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments drawn from the <hi>Eucharist.</hi> To the first he says, <hi>If there be another Creator than the Father of our Lord, then our offering Creatures to him, argues him covetous of that which is not his own, and so we reproach him rather than bless him.</hi> And adds, <hi>How does it ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pear to any of them, that that Bread over which thanks are given, is the Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy of his Lord, and the Cup of his Blood, if he be not the Son of the Creator.</hi> And he argues against their saying, our bodies should not rise again that are fed by the Body and Blood of Christ: for says he, <hi>that Bread which is of the Earth, ha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ving had the Invocation of God over it, is no more common Bread, but the Eu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>charist, consisting of two things, an earth<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly
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and an heavenly; so our bodies that receive the Eucharist are no more cor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ruptible, having the Hope of the Resur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rection.</hi>
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<p>
<hi>Tertullian</hi> proving against <hi>Marcion,</hi>
<note place="margin">Lib. 1. <hi>adv. Marc.</hi> c. 14.</note> that Christ was not contrary to the Crea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tor, among other proofs which he brings to shew, that Christ made use of the Creatures, and neither rejected Water, Oil, Milk, or Honey, he adds, <hi>neither did he reject Bread, by which he repre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sents his own Body.</hi> And further says,<note place="margin">Lib. 3. <hi>adv. Marc.</hi> c. 19.</note>
<hi>Christ calls Bread his Body, that from thence you may understand, that he gave the figure of his Body to the Bread.</hi>
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<p>
<hi>Origen</hi> says,<note place="margin">Lib. 8. <hi>cont. Celsum.</hi>
</note>
<hi>We eat of the Loaves set before us, with thanksgiving and prayers over what is given to us, which by the prayer are become a certain holy Body, that sanctifies those who use them with a sound purpose.</hi>
</p>
<p>Saint <hi>Cyprian</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Epist.</hi> 76.</note>
<hi>Christ calls the Bread that was compounded of many grains joined together, his Body, to shew the union of our people which he bore upon himself; and calls the Wine which is pressed out of many Grapes and Ber<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ries, his Blood: he signifies our flock which is joined together in the mixture of an united multitude.</hi>
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<p>
<pb n="6" facs="tcp:62980:42"/>And writing against those who only put Water in the Chalice,<note place="margin">Epist. 63.</note> he says, <hi>Since Christ said, I am the true Vine, the blood of Christ is not only Water but Wine, neither can we see his Blood by which we are redeemed and quickened in the Chalice when Wine is not in it, by which the Blood of Christ is shewed.</hi> And that whole Epistle is all to the same purpose.</p>
<p>
<hi>Epiphanius</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>In Ancho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rat.</hi>
</note>
<hi>Christ in the Supper rose and took these things, and having given thanks said, This is my, &c. Now we see it is not equal to it, nor like it, neither to his incarnate likeness, nor his invisible Deity, nor the lineaments of his Members, for it is round, and without feeling as to its vertue.</hi> And this he says, to shew how man may be said to be made after the Image of God, though he be not like him.</p>
<p>
<hi>Gregory Nyssen,</hi>
<note place="margin">In Orat. De Bap. Christ.</note> shewing how com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon things may be sanctified, as Water in Baptism, the Stones of an Altar and Church dedicated to God; he adds, <hi>So also Bread in the beginning is common, but after the Mystery has consecrated it, is said to be, and is the Body of Christ; so the mystical Oyl, so the Wine before the blessing, are things of little value,
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but after the sanctification of the Spirit, both of them work excellently.</hi> He also adds, that the Priest by his blessing is se<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>parated and sanctified; from which it appears, He no more believed the change of the substance of the Bread and Wine, than of the consecrated Oyl, the Altar, or the Priest.</p>
<p>
<hi>Ambrose</hi> speaking of Bread,<note place="margin">Lib. <hi>De Be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ned. Patri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>arc.</hi> cap. 9.</note> which was <hi>Ashers</hi> blessing, says, <hi>This Bread Christ gave his Apostles, that they might divide it to the people that believed, and gives it to us to day, which the Priest consecrates in his words, this Bread is made the food of the Saints.</hi>
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<p>St. <hi>Chrysostome</hi> on these words,<note place="margin">Homil. 24. in Epist. ad Cor.</note>
<hi>The Bread which we break, it is not the Com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>munion of the Body of Christ</hi>? says, <hi>What is the Bread? the Body of Christ. What are they made who take it? the Body of Christ.</hi> From whence it appears, he thought the Bread was so the Body of Christ, as the worthy Receivers are, which is not by the change of their substance, but by the sanctification of their na<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tures.</p>
<p>St. <hi>Jerome</hi> says,<note place="margin">Epist. ad He<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dib.</note>
<hi>Let us hear the Bread which Christ brake and gave his Disci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ples, to be the Body of our Lord.</hi>
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<p>And he says,<note place="margin">Comment. S. Ma<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="3 letters">
<desc>•••</desc>
</gap>. 6.</note>
<hi>After the Typical</hi> Pascha
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<hi>was fulfilled, Christ took Bread that comforts the heart of man, and went to the true Sacrament of the</hi> Pascha, <hi>that as</hi> Melchifedeck <hi>in the figure had done offering Bread and Wine, so he might also represent the truth of his Body and Blood.</hi> Where he very plainly calls the Elements Bread and Wine, and a Repre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sentation of Christs Body and Blood.</p>
<p>Saint <hi>Austin</hi> (as he is cited by <hi>Ful<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gentius de Baptismo</hi> and divers others), in his Exhortation to these that were newly baptized, speaking of this Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment, says, <hi>that which you see is the Bread, and the Cup which your eyes wit<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ness; but that which your faith must be instructed in, is, that the Bread is the Body of Christ, and the Cup is his Blood.</hi> And then he proposes the Objection, how that could be? and answers it thus, <hi>These things are therefore called Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments, because one thing is seen and ano<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther is understood; What you see has a bodily appearance, but what you under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stand has a spiritual fruit; and if you will understand the Body of Christ, hear what the Apostle says to the faithful, Ye are the Body of Christ and his members: if therefore you be the Body and Mem<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bers of Christ, your Mystery is placed on
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the Table of the Lord, and you receive the Mystery of the Lord.</hi> And at large prosecutes this, to shew how the faithful are the Body of Christ, as the Bread is made up of many grains; from whence it appears, that he believed, that the consecrated Elements were still Bread and Wine.</p>
<p>And speaking of St. <hi>Pauls</hi> breaking Bread at <hi>Troas,</hi>
<note place="margin">Epist. 86.</note> he says, <hi>being to break Bread that night, as it is broken in the Sacrament of the Body of Christ.</hi> He al<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>so says, <hi>The Eucharist is our daily Bread</hi>;<note place="margin">Serm. 9. De Divers</note>
<hi>but let us so receive it, that not only our belly but our mind be refreshed by it.</hi> Besides in a great many places St. <hi>Austin</hi> calls the <hi>Eucharist,</hi> the <hi>Sacrament of Bread and Wine.</hi>
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<p>And speaking of things made use of to signifie somewhat else,<note place="margin">Lib. 3. <hi>De Trinit.</hi> c. 10.</note> he adds for one, <hi>The Bread that is made for this, is consumed in our receiving the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment.</hi> He also says,<note place="margin">Lib. 17. <hi>De Civ. Dei.</hi>
</note>
<hi>To eat Bread is in the new Testament the Sacrifice of Chri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stians.</hi> He likewise says,<note place="margin">Lib. <hi>Cont. Donat.</hi> c. 6.</note>
<hi>Both Judas and Peter received a part of the same Bread out of the same hand of our Lord.</hi>
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<p>And thus from Twelve Witnesses that are beyond all exception, it does appear, That the Fathers believed the Elements
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to be still Bread and Wine after the con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>secration. We have not brought any proofs from the Fathers that are less known or read, for then we must have swelled up this Paper beyond what we intend it. One thing is so considerable, that we cannot forbear to desire it be ta<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ken notice of, and that is, That we see those great Fathers and Doctors of the Church call the consecrated Elements, without any mincing of the matter, Bread and Wine; but when they call it the Body and Blood of Christ, they of<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ten use some mollifying and less har<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy expression.<note place="margin">Serm. <hi>53: De Verb. Dom.</hi>
</note> So St. <hi>Austin</hi> says, <hi>Almost all call the Sacrament his Body.</hi> And a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gain says,<note place="margin">Lib. 3. <hi>De Trinit.</hi> c. 4.</note>
<hi>We call that only the Body Blood of Christ, which being taken of the fruits of the earth, and consecrated by the mystical prayer, we rightly re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceive for our spiritual health in the Com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>memoration of the Passion of our Lord for us.</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Epist.</hi> 23. <hi>ad Bonifac.</hi>
</note> And he says, <hi>After some sort the Sacrament of the Body of Christ is his Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy, and the Sacrament of his Blood is the Blood of Christ.</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Serm.</hi> 2. <hi>in Psal.</hi> 33.</note> And also says, <hi>He carried himself in his own hands in some sort, when he said, This is my Body.</hi>
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<p>St. <hi>Chrysostome</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Epist. ad C<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="2 letters">
<desc>••</desc>
</gap>sar.</hi>
</note>
<hi>The Bread is thought worthy to be called the Body of
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our Lord.</hi> And on these words, <hi>The flesh lusteth against the Spirit,</hi> among the improper acceptions of <hi>flesh,</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Comm. in Epist. ad Galat.</hi> c. 5.</note>
<hi>the Scriptures use to call the Mysteries by the name of Flesh, and sometimes the whole Church, saying, She is the Body of Christ.</hi>
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<p>
<hi>Tertullian</hi> says,<note place="margin">Lib. 4. <hi>cont. Marc.</hi> c.40.</note>
<hi>Christ calls the Bread his Body,</hi>
<note place="margin">Lib. 4. <hi>cont. Marc. c. 40.</hi>
</note> and a little after, <hi>he names the Bread his Body.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<hi>Isidore Hispal,</hi> says,<note place="margin">Orig. lib. 6. c. 9.</note>
<hi>We call this after his command the Body and Blood of Christ,.</hi>
<note place="margin">Orig. lib. 6, c. 9.</note> which being made of the fruits of the earth, is sanctified and made a Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment.</p>
<p>
<hi>Theodoret</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Dialog.</hi> 1.</note>
<hi>In the giving of the Mysteries Christ called the Bread his Body, and the mixed Cup his Blood.</hi> And says,<note place="margin">Dialog. 1.</note>
<hi>He who called his natural Body Corn and Bread, and also calls himself a Vine, likewise honoured these visible Symboles with the names of his Body and Blood.</hi>
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<p>But now we go to bring our proofs for the next Branch of our first proposition; in which we assert, That the Fathers be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieved that the very substance of the Bread and Wine did remain after the Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>secration. By which all the proofs brought in the former Branch will re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceive
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a further evidence; since by these it will appear the Fathers believed the substance of the Elements remained; and thence we may well conclude, that where<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ever we find mention made of Bread and Wine after Consecration, they mean of the substance, and not of the accidents, of Bread and Wine. For proof of this, we sha<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="2 letters">
<desc>••</desc>
</gap> only bring the testimonies of four <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>a<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>h<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>rs, that lived almost within one age, and were the greatest men of the age. Their authority is as generally re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceived as their testimonies are formal and decisive; and these are, Pope <hi>Gelasius,</hi> St. <hi>Chrysostome, Ephrem</hi> Patriarch of <hi>An<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tioch,</hi> and <hi>Theodoret,</hi> whom we shall find delivering to us the Doctrine of the Church in their age, with great conside<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ration upon a very weighty occasion: So that it shall appear that this was for that age the Doctrine generally received both in the Churches of <hi>Rome</hi> and <hi>Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stantinople, Antioch,</hi> and <hi>Asi<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>
</hi> the less.</p>
<p>We shall begin with <hi>Gelasius,</hi> who, though he lived later than some of the others, yet, because of the eminence of his See, and the authority those we deal with must needs acknowledge was in him, ought to be set first:<note place="margin">
<hi>In</hi> lib. <hi>de duab. nat. Christ:</hi>
</note> He says, <hi>the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments of the Body and Blood of Christ
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are a Divine thing; for which reason we become, by them, partakers of the Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vine Nature; and yet the substance or na<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture of Bread and Wine does not cease to be; and the image and likeness of the Body and Blood of Christ are indeed ce<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lebrated in the action of the Mysteries: therefore it appears evidently <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
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<desc>•</desc>
</gap>t of Christ our Lord, which we profess and celebrate, and receive in his image, that as they</hi> (to wit, the Elements) <hi>pass into that divine substance, the Holy Ghost working it, their nature remaining still in its own property. So that principal Mystery, whose efficiency and virtue these</hi> (to wit, the Sacraments) <hi>represent to us, remains one entire and true Christ; those things of which he is compounded</hi> (to wit, his two natures) <hi>remaining in their proper<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ties.</hi>
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<p>These words seem so express and de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cisive, that one would think the bare reading them without any further refle<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctions, should be of force enough. But before we offer any considerations upon them, we shall set down other passages of the other Fathers, and upon them al<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>together make such remarks as, we hope, may satisfy any that will hear reason.</p>
<p>
<pb n="14" facs="tcp:62980:46"/>St. <hi>Chrysostom</hi> treating of the two Na<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tures of Christ against the <hi>Apollinarists,</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Epist. ad Caefar. mo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nach.</hi>
</note> who did so confound them, as to consub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stantiate them, he makes use of the Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine of the Sacrament to illustrate that Mystery by, in these words; <hi>As before the Bread is sanctified, we call it Bread; but when the Divine Grace has sancti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fied it by the mean of the Priest, it is freed from the name of Bread, and is thought worthy of the name of the Lord's Body, though the nature of Bread re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mains in it: and yet it is not said there are two Bodies, but one Body of the Son: so the Divine Nature being joyned to the Body, both these make one Son, and one Person.</hi>
</p>
<p>Next this Patriarch of <hi>Constantinople,</hi> let us hear <hi>Ephrem</hi> the Patriarch of <hi>An<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tioch</hi> give his testimony,<note place="margin">
<hi>Cod.</hi> 229.</note> as it is preserved by <hi>Photius,</hi> who says thus; <hi>In like man<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ner</hi> (having before treated of the two Natures united in Christ) <hi>the Body of Christ, which is received by the faithful, does not depart from its sensible substance, and yet remains inseparated from the In<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tellectual Grace: So Baptism becoming wholly spiritual and one, it preserves its own sensible substance, and does not lose that which it was before.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<pb n="15" facs="tcp:62980:46"/>To these we shall add, what <hi>Theodoret</hi> on the same occasion says against those,<note place="margin">
<hi>Dialog.</hi> 1</note> who from that place, <hi>the word was made flesh,</hi> believed, that in the Incarnation the Divinity of the Word was changed into the Humanity of the Flesh. He brings in his Heretick arguing about some mystical ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pressions of the Old Testament, that re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lated to Christ: at length he comes to shew, <hi>how Christ called himself Bread and Corn; so also in the delivering the Mysteries, Christ called the Bread his Body, and the mixed Cup his Blood; and our Saviour changed the names, calling his Body by the name of the Sym<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bole, and the Symbole by the name of his Body.</hi> And when the Heretick asks the reason why the names were so chan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ged, the Orthodox answers, <hi>That it was manifest to such as were initiated in Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vine things; for he would have those who partake of the Mysteries, not look to the nature of those things that were seen; but by the change of the names, to be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve that change that was made through Grace; for he who called his natural Body Corn and Bread, does likewise ho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nour the visible Symboles with the name of his Body and Blood; not changing the Nature, but adding Grace to Nature:</hi>
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And so goes on to ask his Heretick, whe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther <hi>he thought the holy Bread was the Symbole and Type of his Divinity, or of his Body and Blood</hi>? and the other acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledging they were <hi>the Symboles of his Body and Blood</hi>: He concludes, <hi>that Christ had a true Body.</hi>
</p>
<p>The second Dialogue is against the <hi>Eutychians</hi>; who believed, that after Christ's assumption, his Body was swal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lowed up by his Divinity: And there the <hi>Eutychian</hi> brings an argument to prove that change from the Sacament; it being granted, that the Gifts before the Priests Prayer were Bread and Wine. He asks how it was to be called after the Sanctification? the <hi>Or<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>hodox</hi> answers, the Body and Blood of Christ; and that he believed he received the Body and Blood of Christ. From thence the He<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>retick, as having got a great advantage, argues; <hi>That as the Symboles of the Body and Blood of our Lord were one thing before the Priestly Invocation, and after that were changed, and are diffe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rent from what they were: So the Body of our Lord, after the assumption, was changed into the Divine substance.</hi> But the <hi>Orthodox</hi> replies, <hi>that he was catched in the net be laid for others; for the My<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stical
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Symboles, after the sanctification, do not depart from their own nature; for they continue in their former sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance, figure and form, and are both vi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sible and palpable, as they were before; but they are understood to be that which they are made, and are believed and ve<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nerated, as being those things which they are believed to be.</hi> And from thence he bids the Heretick <hi>compare the Image with the Original, for the type must be like the truth,</hi> and shews that <hi>Christ's Body retains its former form and figure, and the substance of his Body, though it be now made Immortal and Incorrupti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ble.</hi> Thus he.</p>
<p>And having now set down very faith<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fully the words of these Fathers, we de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sire it may be considered, that all these words are used to the same effect, to prove the Reality of Christ's Body, and the Distinction of the two Natures, the Divine and the Humane in him. For, though St. <hi>Chrysostom</hi> lived before <hi>Euty<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ches</hi> his days, yet in this Point the <hi>Euty<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>chians</hi> and the <hi>Apollinarists,</hi> against whom he writes, held opinions so like others, that we may well say, all these words of the Fathers we have set down are to the same purpose.</p>
<p>
<pb n="18" facs="tcp:62980:48"/>Now, first it is evident, that if Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation had been then believed, there needed no other argument to prove against the <hi>Eutychians</hi> that Christ had still a real Body, but to have declared that his Body was corporally present in the Eucharist; which they must have done, had they believed it, and not spo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ken so as they did; since that alone well proved, had put an end to the whole Controversy.</p>
<p>Further, they could never have argued from the visions and apparitions of Christ, to prove he had still a real Body; for if it was possible the Body of Christ could appear under the accidents of Bread and Wine, it was as possible the Divinity should appear under the acci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dents of an Humane Body.</p>
<p>Thirdly, they could never have argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed against the <hi>Eutychians,</hi> as they did, from the absurdity that followed upon such a substantial mutation of the Hu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mane Nature of Christ into his Divinity, if they had believed this substantial con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>version of the Elements into Christ's Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy, which is liable unto far greater ab<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>surdities. And we can as little doubt, but the <hi>Eutychians</hi> had turned back their arguments on themselves, with these
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answers, if that Doctrine had been then received. It is true, it would seem from the last passage of <hi>Theodoret,</hi> that the <hi>Eutychians</hi> did believe some such change; but that could not be, for they denied the Being of the Body of Christ, and so could not think any thing was changed into that which they believed was not. Therefore we are to suppose him argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing from some commonly received ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pressions, which the Father explains.</p>
<p>In fine, The design of those <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>athers being to prove, that the two Natures might be united without the change of either of their substances in the person of Christ, it had been inexcusable folly in them, to have argued from the sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mental Mysteries being united to the Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy and Blood of Christ, if they had not believed they retained their former substance; for had they believed Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation, what a goodly argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment had it been, to have said, Be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cause after the consecration the accidents of Bread and Wine remain, therefore the substance of the Humanity remained still, though united to the Divine Nature in Christ. Did ever man in his wits ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gue in this fashion? Certainly, these four Bishops, whereof three were Patriarchs,
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and one of these a Pope, deserved to have been hissed out of the world, as persons that understood nor what it was to draw a consequence, if they had ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gued so as they did and believed Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation. But if you allow them to believe (as certainly they did) that in the Sacrament the real substances of Bread and Wine remained, though after the sanctification, by the operation of the Holy Ghost, they were the Body and Blood of Christ, and were to be called so; then this is a most excellent illustra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion of the Mystery of the Incarnation, in which the Humane Nature retains its proper and true substance, though after the union with the Divinity, Christ be called God, even as he was Man, by ver<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tue of his union with the Eternal Word.</p>
<p>And this shews how unreasonable it is to pretend, that because substance and nature are some<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>imes used even for ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cidental qualities, they should be there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore understood so in the cited places; for if you take them in that sense, you destroy the force of the argument, which from being a very strong one, will by this means become a most ridiculous So<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>phism. Yet we are indeed beholding to
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those that have taken much pains to shew, that substance and nature stand often for accidental qualities; for though that cannot be applied to the former places, yet it helps us with an excellent answer to many of those passages with which they triumph not a little.</p>
<p>Having so far considered these Four Fathers, we shall only add to them the Definition of the Seventh General Council at <hi>Constantinople, ann.</hi> 754. <hi>Christ appointed us to offer the Image of his Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy, to wit, the substance of the Bread.</hi> This Council is indeed of no authority with these we deal with: But we do not bring it as a Decree of a Council, but as a Testimony, that so great a number of Bishops did in the Eighth Century be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve; That the substance of the Bread did remain in the Eucharist, and that it was only the Image of Christ's Body: and if in this Definition they spake not more consonantly to the Doctrine of the former ages, than their enemies at <hi>Nice</hi> did, let what has been set down, and shall be yet adduced, declare.</p>
<p>And now we advance to the third Branch of our first Assertion, that the Fathers believed that the Consecrated Elements did nourish our Bodies; and
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the proofs of this will also give a fur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther evidence to our former Position; that the substance of the Elements does, remain: And it is a demonstration that these Fathers, who thought the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment nourished our Bodies, could not be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve a Transubstantiation of the Bread and Wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. For the proof of this Branch we desire the following Testimonies be considered.</p>
<p>First, <hi>Iustin Martyr,</hi> as was already cited, not only calls the Eucharist <hi>our nourishment,</hi> but formally calls it <hi>that food by which our flesh and blood through its transmutation into them are nourish<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ed.</hi>
</p>
<p>Secondly,<note place="margin">Lib. 5. <hi>adv. Heret.</hi> c. 2.</note>
<hi>Irenaeus</hi> proving the Resur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rection of the Body by this Argument, <hi>That our bodies are fed by the Body and Blood of Christ, and that therefore they shall rise again</hi>; he hath these words, <hi>He confirmed that Cup, which is a crea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture, to be his Blood, by which He increa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ses our Blood; and the Bread, which is a creature, to be His Body, by which He encreases our Body: and when the mixed Cup and the Bread, receive the word of God, it becomes the Eucharist of the Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy and Blood of Christ, by which the sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance
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of our flesh is encreased and sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sists. How then do they deny the flesh to be capable of the gift of God, which is Eternal Life, that is nourished by the Body and Blood of Christ, and is made His member.</hi> We hope it will be obser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ved, that as these words are express and formal; so the design on which He uses them will admit of none of those distin<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctions they commonly rely on.</p>
<p>
<hi>Tertullian</hi> says,<note place="margin">Lib. <hi>de Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>surr</hi> c. 8.</note>
<hi>the flesh is fed with the Body and Blood of Christ.</hi>
</p>
<p>Saint <hi>Austin,</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Serm.</hi> 9. <hi>d<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> Divers.</hi>
</note> after he had called the Eucharist <hi>our daily Bread,</hi> he exhorts us so to receive it, <hi>that not only our bel<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lies, but our minds might be refreshed by it.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<hi>Isidore</hi> of <hi>Sevil</hi> says, <hi>The substance of the visible Bread nourishes the outward man</hi>; or, as <hi>Bertram</hi> cites his words, <hi>all that we receive externally in the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment of the Body and Blood of Christ, is proper to refresh the body.</hi>
</p>
<p>Next, let us see what the 16<hi>th</hi> Council of <hi>Toledo</hi> says in <hi>Anno.</hi> 633. condemning those <hi>that did not offer in the Eucharist entire loaves, but only round crafts</hi>; they did appoint <hi>one entire loaf carefully pre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pared to be set on the Altar, that it might be sanctified by the Priestly Benediction,</hi>
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and order, <hi>that what remained after Communion, should be either put in some bag, or, if it was needful, to eat it up, that it might not oppress the belly of him that took it with the burden of an heavy surcharge; and that it might not go to the digestion, but that it might feed his soul with spiritual nourishment.</hi> From which words, one of two consequen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ces will necessarily follow; either that the Consecrated Elements do really nou<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rish the Body, which we intend to prove from them; or that the Body of Christ is not in the Elements, but as they are Sacramentally used, which we acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledg many of the Fathers believed. But the last words we cited of the Spiritual nourishment, shew those Fathers did not think so; and if they did, we suppose those we deal with will see, that to be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve Christ's Body is only in the Ele<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments when used, will clearly leave the charge of Idolatry on that Church in their Processions, and other adorations of the Host.</p>
<p>But none is so express as <hi>Origen,</hi> who, on these words,<note place="margin">
<hi>Comment. in Matth.</hi> c. 15.</note> '<hi>Tis not that which en<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ters within a man which defiles a man,</hi> says, <hi>If every thing that enters by the mouth, goes into the belly, and is cast in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>to
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the draught; then the food that is san<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctified by the word of God, and by Pray<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>er, goes also to the belly, as to what is material in it, and from thence to the draught; but by the Prayer that was made over it, it is useful in proportion to our Faith, and is the mean that the un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstanding is clear-sighted and atten<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tive to that which is profitable; and it is not the matter of Bread, but the word pronounced over it, which profits him that does not eat it in a way unworthy of our Lord.</hi> This Doctrine of the Sacraments being so digested that some parts of it turned to excrement, was likewise taught by divers Latin Writers in the 9<hi>th</hi> age, as <hi>Rabanus Maurus</hi> Arch-Bishop of <hi>Mentz,</hi> and <hi>Heribald</hi> Bishop of <hi>Auxerre.</hi> Divers of the Greek Writers did also hold it, whom for a reproach their adver<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>saries called <hi>Stercoranists.</hi> It is true, other Greek Fathers were not of <hi>Origen</hi>'s opinion, but believed that the Eucharist did entirely turn into the substance of our bodies. So <hi>Cyril of Ierusalem</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Mystic. Ca<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tech. 5.</hi>
</note> that <hi>the Bread of the Eucharist does not go into the belly, nor is cast into the draught, but is distributed thorough the whole substance of the Communicant, for the good of body and soul.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<pb n="26" facs="tcp:62980:52"/>The Homily of the Eucharist in a de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dication,<note place="margin">
<hi>Tom. 5.</hi>
</note> that is in St. <hi>Chrysostom's</hi> works, says, <hi>Do not think that this is Bread, and that this is Wine; for they pass not to the draught, as other victuals do:</hi> And comparing it to <hi>wax put to the fire, of which no ashes remain</hi>; he adds, <hi>So think that the Mysteries are consumed with the substance of our bodies.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<hi>John Damascene</hi> is of the same mind,<note place="margin">Lib. 4. <hi>de Orth. fide</hi> c. 14.</note> who says, <hi>that the Body and the Blood of Christ passes into the consistence of our souls and bodies, without being consumed, corrupted, or passing into the draught, God forbid, but passing into our substance for our conservation</hi> Thus it will ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pear, that though those last-cited-Fathers did not believe as <hi>Origen</hi> did, that any part of the Eucharist went to the draught; yet they thought it was turned into the substance of our bodies, from which we may well conclude, they thought the substance of Bread and Wine remained in the Eucharist after the consecration, and that it nourished our bodies.</p>
<p>And thus we hope we have sufficiently proved our first Proposition in all its three Branches. So leaving it, we go on to the second Proposition, which is; That the
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Fathers call the consecrated Elements the Figures, the Signs, the Symboles, the Types, and Antitypes, the Commemo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ration, representation, the Mysteries, and the Sacraments of the Body and Blood of Christ.</p>
<p>
<hi>Tertullian</hi> proving against <hi>Marcion,</hi>
<note place="margin">Lib. 4. <hi>cont. Marc.</hi> c. 40.</note> that Christ had a real Body, he brings some Figures that were fulfilled in Christ, and says, <hi>He made the Bread which he took and gave his Disciples to be his Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy, saying, This is my Body, that is, the Figure of my Body; but it had not been a Figure if his Body had not been true, for an empty thing, such as a Phantasm, cannot have a Figure.</hi> Now had <hi>Tertul<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lian,</hi> and the Church in his time, belie<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ved <hi>Transubstantiation,</hi> it had been much more pertinent for him to have argued, Here is corporally present Christ's Body, therefore he had a true Body, than to say, Here is a Figure of his Body, therefore he had a true Body; such an escape as this is not incident to a man of com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mon sense, if he had believed <hi>Transub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation.</hi> And the same Father, in two other places before cited, says <hi>Christ gave the Figure of his Body to the Bread,</hi> and that <hi>he represented his own Body by the Bread.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<pb n="28" facs="tcp:62980:53"/>St. <hi>Austin</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Com. in Psal.</hi> 3.</note>
<hi>He commended and gave to his Disciples, the Figure of his Body and Blood.</hi> The same expressions are also in <hi>Bede, Alcuine,</hi> and <hi>Druthmar,</hi> that lived in the Eighth and Ninth Cen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>turies. <note place="margin">Lib. 2. <hi>De Doct. Chr.</hi> c. 16.</note> But what St. <hi>Austin</hi> says else<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>where, is very full in this matter, where treating of the Rules by which we are to judg what expressions in Scripture are figurative, and what not, he gives this for one Rule, <hi>If any place seem to com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mand a crime or horrid action, it is figu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rative</hi>; and to instance it, cites these words, <hi>Except ye eat the Flesh and drink the Blood of the Son of Man, you have no life in you, which</hi> (says he) <hi>seems to command some crime, or horrid action, therefore it is a Figure, commanding us to communicate in the Passion of our Lord, and sweetly and profitably to lay up in our memory, that his Flesh was crucified and wounded for us.</hi> Which words are so express and full, that what<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ever those we deal with may think of them, we are sure we cannot devise how any one could have delivered our Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine more formally. Parallel to these are <hi>Origen</hi>'s words,<note place="margin">
<hi>Homil. 7. in Lev.</hi>
</note>
<hi>who calls the under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>standing the words of our Saviour, of eating his Flesh and drinking his Blood
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according to the Letter, a Letter that kills.</hi>
</p>
<p>The same St. <hi>Austin</hi> calls the <hi>Eucha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rist,</hi>
<note place="margin">Lib. <hi>cons. Adiman<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>. manich.</hi> c. 12.</note> a sign of Christ's Body, in his Book against <hi>Adimantus,</hi> who studied to prove that the Author of the Old and New Testament was not the same God; and among other arguments, he uses this, That Blood in the Old Testament is cal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>led the Life or Soul, contrary to the New Testament: To which St. <hi>Austin</hi> answers, <hi>that it was so called, not that it was tru<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ly the Soul or Life, but the Sign of it</hi>; and to shew, that the sign does sometimes bear the name of that whereof it is a sign, he says, <hi>Our Lord did not doubt to say, This is my Body, when he was giving the sign of his Body.</hi> Where, if he had not believed the <hi>Eucharist</hi> was substantially different from his Body, it had been the most impertinent illustrati<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on that ever was, and had proved just against him, that the sign must be one and the same with that which is signified by it.</p>
<p>For the Sacrament being called the Type, the Antitype, the Symbole and Mystery of Christs Body and Blood; The ancient Liturgies, and <hi>Greek</hi> Fathers, use these phrases so frequently, that since
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it is not so much as denied, we judg we need not laboriously prove it. Therefore we pass over this, believing it will be granted; for if it be denied, we under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>take to prove them to have been used not only on some occasions, but to have been the constant stile of the Church. Now that Types, Antitypes, Symboles, and Mysteries, are distinct from that which they shadow forth, and mystically hold out, we believe can be as little disputed. In this sense all the Figures of the Law are called Types of Christ by the Fa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thers, and both the Baptismal Water and the Chrism are called Symboles and Mysteries. And though there was not that occasion for the Fathers to discourse on Baptism so oft, which every body re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceived but once, and was administred ordinarily but on a few days of the year, as they had to speak of the <hi>Eucharist,</hi> which was daily consecrated; so that it cannot be imagined, there should be near such a number of places about the one as about the other; yet we fear not to undertake to prove, there be many places among the Ancients that do as fully ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>press a change of the Baptismal Water as of the Eucharistical Elements. From whence it may appear, that their great
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zeal to prepare persons to a due value of these holy actions, and that they might not look on them as a vulgar ab<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lution, or an ordinary repast, carried them to many large and high expressions, which cannot bear a literal meaning. And since they with whom we deal are sain to fly to Metaphors and Allegories for for cleaning of what the I athers say of Baptism, it is a most unreasonable thing to complain of us for using such exposi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tions of what they say about the <hi>Eucha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rist.</hi>
</p>
<p>But that we may not leave this with<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>out some proof, we shall set down the words of <hi>Facundus,</hi> who says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Defens. Conc. Chal<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> ced. lib. 9.</hi>
</note>
<hi>The Sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>crament of Adoption, that is Baptism, may be called Adoption, as the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment of his Body and Blood, which is in the consecrated Bread and Cup, is called his Body and Blood; not that the Bread is properly his Body, or the Cup properly his Blood, but because they con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tain in them the mystery of his Body and Blood; and hence it was that our Lord called the Bread that was blessed, and the Cup which he gave his Disciples, his Body and Blood. Therefore as the Be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lievers in Christ, when they receive the Sacrament of his Body and Blood, are
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rightly said to have received his Body and Blood; so Christ, when he received the Sacrament of the adoption of Sons, may be rightly said to have received the Adoption of Sons.</hi> And we leave every one to gather from these words, if the cited Father could believe <hi>Transubstan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tiation,</hi> and if he did not think that Bap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tism was as truly the Adoption of the Sons of God, as the <hi>Eucharist</hi> was his Body and Blood, which these of <hi>Rome</hi> acknowledge is only to be meant in a moral sense.</p>
<p>That the Fathers called this Sacrament the Memorial and Representation of the Death of Christ, and of his Body that was broken, and his Blood that was shed, we suppose will be as little denied, for no man that ever looked into any of their Treatises of the <hi>Eucharist,</hi> can doubt of it.</p>
<p>St. <hi>Austin</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Epist.</hi> 23. <hi>ad Bonifac.</hi>
</note>
<hi>That Sacraments must have some similitude of these things of which they be the Sacraments, otherwise they could not be Sacraments.</hi> So he says, <hi>the Sacrament of the Body of Christ is after some manner his Blood. So the Sacrament of Faith</hi> (that is Baptism) <hi>is Faith.</hi>
</p>
<p>But more expresly speaking of the
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Eucharist as a sacrifice of praise; <note place="margin">L. 20. <hi>cont. Faust. ma<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nich.</hi> c. 21.</note> he says, <hi>The flesh and blood of this sacrifice was promised before the coming of Christ by the sacrifices of the types of it: In the passion of Christ; it was done in the truth it self: And after his ascent is cele<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>brated by the Sacrament of the remem<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>brance of it.</hi> But he explains this more fully on the 98<hi>th</hi> Psalm; where he ha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ving read, ver. 5. <hi>Worship his footstool</hi>; and seeking for its true meaning, ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pounds it <hi>of Christ's Body, who was flesh of this earth, and gives his flesh to be eaten by us for our salvation, which, since none eats, except he have first ado<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>red it</hi>; He makes this the footstool which we worship without any sin, and do sin if we do not worship it. So far the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> triumphs with this place. But let us see what follows, where we shall find that which will certainly abate their joy; He goes on and tells us, <hi>not to dwell on the Flesh, lest we be not quickned by the spirit; and shews how they that heard our Lord's words were scandalized at them as hard words; for they understood them,</hi> says he, <hi>foolishly, and carnally, and thought he was to have cut off some parcels of his Body to be given them: But they were hard, not
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our Lord's saying; for had they been meek, and not hard, they should have said within themselves, He says not this with<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>out a cause, but because there is some Sa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>crament hid there; for had they come to him with his Disciples, and asked him, he had instructed them: For he said it is the spirit that quickens, the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.</hi> And adds, <hi>un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstand spiritually that which I have said; for it is not this Body which you <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 word">
<desc>〈◊〉</desc>
</gap>, that you are to eat; or to drink this <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 word">
<desc>〈◊〉</desc>
</gap> which they are to shed, who shall <gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 word">
<desc>〈◊〉</desc>
</gap> me: But I have recommended a Sacrament to you, which being spiritually understood, shall quicken you; and though it be necessary that it be celebrated visi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>bly, yet it must be understood invisibly.</hi> From which it is as plain as can be, that St. <hi>Austin</hi> believed that in the Eucharist we do not eat the natural Flesh, and drink the natural Blood of Christ; but that we do it only in a <hi>Sacrament, and spiritually, and invisibly.</hi>
</p>
<p>But the force of all this will appear yet clearer, if we consider that they speak of the Sacrament as a Memorial that exhibited Christ to us in his ab<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sence: For though it naturally followes,
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that whatsoever is commemorated must needs be absent; yet this will be yet more evident, if we find the Fathers made such reflections on it.</p>
<p>So <hi>Gaudentius</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Tract. in Exod.</hi>
</note>
<hi>This is, the here<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ditary gift of his New Teststament, which that night he was betrayed to be cruci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fied, he left as the pledg of his presence: this is the provision for our journey with which we are fed in this way of our life, and nourished till we go to him out of this World; for he would have his benefits remain with us: He would have our souls to be always sanctified by his preci<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ous Blood, and by the image of his own passion.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<hi>Primasius</hi> compares <hi>the Sacrament to a pledg, which one, when he is dying,</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Comm. in</hi> 1 <hi>Epist. ad Cor.</hi>
</note>
<hi>leaves to any whom he loved.</hi> Many other places may be brought, to shew how the Fathers speak of memorials and representations, as opposite to the truth and presence of that which is represen<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ted.</p>
<p>And thus we doubt not but we have brought proofs, which, in the judgment of all that are unprejudiced, must demon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>strate the truth of this our second Pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>position, which we leave, and go on to the third, which was;</p>
<p>
<pb n="36" facs="tcp:62980:57"/>That by the Doctrine of the Fathers, the unworthy Receivers did not receive Christ's Body and Blood in the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment. For this our first Proof is taken from <hi>Origen,</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Comment. in Mat.</hi> c. 15.</note> who after he had spoken of the Sacraments being eaten, and pas<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sing to the belly, adds, <hi>These things we have said of the typical and symbolical Body; but many things may be said of the Word that was made Flesh, and the true food, whom whosoever eats, he shall live for ever; whom no wicked person can eat: for if it were possible that any who con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tinues wicked, should eat the Word that was made Flesh, since He is the Word, and the Living Bread, it had never been written; whoso eats this Bread, shall live for ever.</hi> Where he makes a mani<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fest difference between the typical and symbolical Body received in the Sacra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment, and the incarnate Word, of which no wicked person can partake. And he also says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Hom. 3. in Mat.</hi>
</note>
<hi>They that are good eat the Living Bread that came down from Heaven; and the wicked eat Dead Bread, which is Death.</hi>
</p>
<p>
<hi>Zeno,</hi>
<note place="margin">
<hi>Tom. 2. Spir. Dach.</hi>
</note> Bishop of <hi>Verona,</hi> that, as is be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieved, lived near <hi>Origen</hi>'s time, says, (as he is cited by <hi>Ratherius</hi> Bishop of <hi>Ve<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rona) There is cause to fear, that be in
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whom the Devil dwells, does not eat the flesh of our Lord, nor drink his Blood, though he seems to communicate with the faithful; since our Lord hath said, He that eats my Flesh, and drinks my Blood, dwells in me, and I in him.</hi>
</p>
<p>St. <hi>Jerom</hi> on the 66<hi>th</hi> of <hi>Isa.</hi> says, <hi>They that are not holy in body and spirit, do neither eat the Flesh of Jesus, nor drink his Blood; of which he said, He that eats my Flesh, and drinks my Blood, hath eternal life.</hi> And on the 8<hi>th</hi> chap. of <hi>Hos.</hi> he says, <hi>They eat not his flesh, whose flesh is the food of them that believe.</hi> To the same purpose he writes in his Com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments on the 22<hi>th</hi> of <hi>Jeremy,</hi> and on the 10<hi>th</hi> of <hi>Zech.</hi>
</p>
<p>St. <hi>Austin</hi> says,<note place="margin">
<hi>Tractat.</hi> 26. <hi>in Joan.</hi>
</note>
<hi>He that does not abide in Christ, and in whom Christ does not abide, certainly does not spiritually eat his Flesh, nor drink his Blood, though he may visibly and carnally break in his teeth the Sacrament of the Body and Blood of Christ. But he rather eats and drinks the Sacrament of so great a mat<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ter to his judgment.</hi>
</p>
<p>And speaking of those,<note place="margin">Lib. 21 <hi>d<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> Civ. D<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap> c.</hi> 25.</note> who by their uncleanness become the members of an Harlot; he says, <hi>Neither are they to be said to eat the Body of Christ, because they
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are not his members.</hi> And besides, he adds, <hi>He that says, whoso eats my Flesh, and drinks my Blood, abides in me, and I in him; shews what it is not only in a Sacrament, but truly to eat the Body of Christ, and drink his Blood.</hi> To this we shall add, that so oft cited passage; <hi>Those did eat the Bread that was the Lord;<note place="margin">
<hi>Tractat.</hi> 54. <hi>in Joan.</hi>
</note> the other</hi> (he means <hi>Judas</hi>) <hi>the Bread of the Lord against the Lord.</hi> By which he clearly insinuates, he did believe the unworthy Receivers did not receive the Lord with the Bread: And that this hath been the cons<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>ant belief of the Greek-Church to this day, shall be proved, if it be thought necessary for clearing this matter.</p>
<p>And thus far we have studied to make good what we undertook to prove: But if we had enlarged on every particular, we must have said a great deal more; to shew from many undeniable evidences, that the Fathers were strangers to this new Mystery. It is clear from their wri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tings, that they thought <hi>Christ was only spiritually present, that we did eat his Flesh, and drink his Blood only by Faith, and not by our bodily senses; and that the words of eating his Flesh, and drink<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing his Blood, were to be understood spi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ritually.</hi>
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It is no less clear, <hi>that they con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sidered Christ present only as he was on the Cross, and not as he is now in the glory of the Father:</hi> And from hence it was, <hi>that they came to order their Eucharisti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cal forms so, as that the Eucharist might represent the whole History of Christ from his Incarnation to his Assumption.</hi> Besides, they always speak of Christ <hi>as absent from us, according to his Flesh and Human Nature, and only present in his Divinity and by his Spirit</hi>; which they could not have said, if they had thought him every day present on their Altars in his Flesh and Human Nature; for then he were more on Earth than he is in Hea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ven, since in Heaven he is circumscribed within one place. But according to this Doctrine he must be always in above a million of places upon earth, so that it were very strange to say he were absent, if they believed him thus present.</p>
<p>But to give yet further evidences of the Fathers not believing this Doctrine, let us but reflect a little on the conse<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quences that necessarily follow it: which be, 1. That a Body may be, by the Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vine power, in more places at once. 2. That a Body may be in a place with<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>out extension or quantity; so a Body
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of such dimensions as our blessed Lord's Body can be in so small a room as a thin Wafer; and not only so, but that the whole Body should be entirely in every crumb and point of that Wafer. 3. That a Body can be made or produced in a place that had a real Being before, and yet is not brought thither, but produced there. 4. That the accidents of any sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stance, such as colour, smell, taste, and fi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gure, can remain without any Body or substance in which they subsist. 5. That our senses may deceive us in their clear<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>est and most evident representations. 6. Great doubts there are what becomes of the Body of Christ after it is received; or, if it should come to be corrupted, or to be snatched by a Mouse, or eat by any vermine. All these are the natural and ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cessary effects of this Doctrine, and are not only to be perceived by a contem<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>plative and searching understanding, but are such as stare every body full in the face: And hence it is, that since this was submitted to in the Western Church, the whole Doctrine of Philosophy has been altered, and new Maxims and Definitions were found out, to accustom the youth while raw and easy to any impression, to receive these as principles, by which their
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minds being full of those first prejudices, might find no difficulty to believe this.</p>
<p>Now it is certain, had the Fathers be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieved this, they who took a great deal of pains to resolve all the other Myste<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ries of our Faith, and were so far from being short or defective in it, that they rather over-do it; and that not only about the Mysteries of the Trinity and Incarnation, but about Original sin, the derivation of our Souls, the operation of the Grace of God in our hearts, and the Resurrection of our bodies, should yet have been so constantly silent in those Mysteries, though they ought rather to have been cleared than the other. Be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cause in the other Heads the difficulties were more speculative and abstracted, and so scruples were only incident to men of more curious and diligent en<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quiries. But here it is otherwise, where the matter being an object of the senses, every mans senses must have raised in him all or most of those scruples: And yet the Fathers neither in their Philosophical Treatises, nor in their Theological Wri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tings, ever attempt the unridling those difficulties. But all this is only a negative, and yet we do appeal to any one that has diligently read the Fathers, St. <hi>Austin</hi>
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in particular; if he can perswade him<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>self, that when all other Mysteries and the consequences from them were ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>plained with so great care and even cu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>riosity, these only were things of so easy a digestion, that about them there should have been no scruple at all made.</p>
<p>But it is yet clearer, when we find the Fathers not only silent, but upon other occasions delivering Maxims and Princi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ples so directly contrary to these conse<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quences, without any reserved exceptions or provisions for the strange Mysteries of Transubstantiation: They tell us plainly, <hi>creatures are limited to one place, and so argued against the Heathens believing their inferior Deities were in the several Statues consecrated to them:</hi> From this they prove <hi>the Divinity of the Holy Ghost, that he did work in ma<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ny places at once, and so could not be a creature, which can only be in one place.</hi> Nay, they do positively teach us, <hi>that Christ can be no more on Earth, since his Body is in Heaven, and is but in one place.</hi> They also do tell us, <hi>that that which hath no bounds nor figure, and can<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>not be touched nor seen, cannot be a Body, and that all Bodies are extended in some place, and that Bodies cannot exist after
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the manner of Spirits.</hi> They also tell us in all their reasonings against the eter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nity of matter, <hi>that nothing could be pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>duced that had a Being before it was produced.</hi> They also teach us very for<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mally, <hi>that none of the qualities of a Body could subsist, except the Body it self did also subsist.</hi> And for the testimonies of our senses, <hi>they appeal to them on all occasions as Infallible</hi>; and tell us, <hi>that it tended to reverse the whole state of our Life, the order of Nature, and to blind the Providence of God; to say, he has given the knowledg and enjoyment of all his works to Liars and Deceivers; if our Senses be false. Then we must doubt of our Faith; if the testimony of the eyes, hands and ears were of a nature capable to be deceived.</hi> And in their contests with the <hi>Marcionites</hi> and others about the truth of Christ's Body, <hi>they appeal always to the testimony of the Senses as infallible</hi>: Nay, even treating of the Sacrament, they say, <hi>it was Bread as their eyes witnessed, and truly Wine that Christ did consecrate for the memory of his Blood</hi>; telling, <hi>that in this very par<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticular we ought not to doubt the testi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mony of our senses.</hi>
</p>
<p>But to make this whole matter yet
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plainer; It is certain, that had the Church in the first ages believed this Doctrine, the Heathens and Jews who charged them with every thing they could pos" ms="sibly invent, had not passed over this, against which all the powers of reason, and the authorities of sense, do rise up. They charge them for believing a <hi>God, that was born, a God of Flesh, that was crucified and buried.</hi> They laughed at their belief <hi>of a Iudgment to come, of endless Flames, of an Heavenly Paradise, and the Resurrection of the Flesh.</hi> The first Apologists for Christianity, <hi>Iustin, Tertullian, Origen, Arnobi<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>s,</hi> and <hi>Cyril</hi> of <hi>Alexandria,</hi> give us a full account of those Blasphemies against our most holy Faith; and the last hath given us what <hi>Iulian</hi> objected in his own words, who having apostatized from the Faith in which he was initiated, and was a <hi>Reader</hi> in the Church, must have been well ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quainted with, and instructed in their Doctrine and Sacraments. He then who laughed at every thing, and in particular <hi>at the ablution and sanctification in Bap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tism, as conceiving it a thing impossible that Water should cleanse and wash a Soul.</hi> Yet neither he, nor <hi>Celsus,</hi> nor any other ever charged on the Christians any absur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dities
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from their belief of Transub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stantiation. This is, it is true, a nega<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tive argument; yet when we consider the malice of those ingenious Enemies of our Faith, and their care to expose all the Doctrines and Customs of Chri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stians, and yet find them in no place charge the strange consequences of this Doctrine on them; We must from thence conclude, there was no such Doctrine then received: for if it had been, they, at least <hi>Iulian,</hi> must have known it; and if they knew it, can we think they should not have made great noise about it.</p>
<p>We know some think their charging the Christians with <hi>the eating of Humane flesh, and Thye<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>tean Suppers,</hi> related to the Sacrament; but that cannot be, for when the Fathers answer that charge, they tell them to their teeth, it was a plain lye: and do not offer to explain it with any relation to the Eucharist, which they must have done if they had known it was founded on their Doctrine of re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceiving Christs Body and Blood in the Sacrament. But the truth is, those hor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rid Calumnies were charged on the Chri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stians from the execrable and abomina<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ble practi<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>es of the <hi>Gnosticks,</hi> who cal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>led themselves Christians; and the ene<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mies
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of the Faith, either believing these were the practices of all Christians, or be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing desirous to have others think so, did accuse the whole Body of Christians as guilty of these abominations. So that it appears, those Calumnies were not at all taken up from the Eucharist, and there being nothing else that is so much as said to have any relation to the Eucharist, charged on the Christians, we may well conclude from hence, that this Doctrine was not received then in the Church.</p>
<p>But another Negative argument is, That we find Heresies rising up in all Ages against all the other Mysteries of our Faith, and some downright deny<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing them, others explaining them very strangely; and it is indeed very natural to an unmortified and corrupt mind, to reject all Divine Revelation, more par<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticularly that which either choakes his common notions, or the deductions of appearing reasonings; but most of all, all men are apt to be startled, when they are told, They must believe against the clearest evidences of sense, for men were never so meek and tame, as easily to yeild to such things. How comes it then, that for the first seven Ages there were no Heresies nor Hereticks about
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this? We are ready to prove, that from the Eighth and Ninth Centuries, in which this Doctrine began to appear, there has been in every Age great op<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>position made to all the advances for set<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ting it up, and yet these were but dark and unlearned Ages, in which implicite obedience, and a blind subjection to what was generally proposed, was much in credit. In those Ages, the Civil powers being ready to serve the rage of Church<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>men against any who should oppose it, it was not safe for any to appear against it. And yet it cannot be denied, but from the days of the second Council of <hi>Nice,</hi> which made a great step towards <hi>Tran<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>substantiation,</hi> till the fourth Council of <hi>L<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
</gap>teran,</hi> there was great opposition made to it by the most eminent persons in the <hi>Latin Church</hi>; and how great a part of <hi>Christendome</hi> has departed from the Obedience of the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> in every age since that time, and upon that account, is well enough known.</p>
<p>Now, is it to be imagined, that there should have been such an opposition to it these Nine hundred years last past, and yet that it should have been received the former Eight hundred years with no opposition, and that it should not
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have cost the Church the trouble of one General Council to decree it, or of one Treatise of a Father to establish it, and answer those objections that naturally arise from our reasons and senses against it.</p>
<p>But in the end there are many things which have risen out of this Doctrine as its natural consequences, which had it been sooner taught and received, must have been apprehended sooner, and those are so many clear presumptions of the Novelty of this Doctrine. The Elevation, Adoration, Processions, the Doctrine of Concomitance, with a vast superfaeta<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion of Rites and Rubricks about this Sacrament are lately sprung up. The age of them is well known, and they have risen in the <hi>Latin</hi> Church out of this Doctrine, which had it been sooner re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceived, we may reasonably enough think must have been likewise ancienter. Now for all these things, as the primitive Church knew them not, so on the other hand, the great simplicity of their forms, as we find them in <hi>Justin Martyr,</hi> and <hi>Cyril</hi> of <hi>Ierusalem,</hi> in the Apostolical Constitutions, and the pretended <hi>Denis</hi> the <hi>Arcopagite,</hi> are far from that pomp which the latter ages that believed this
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Doctrine brought in the Sacraments being given in both kinds, being put in the hands of the Faithful, being given to the children for many ages, being sent by boys or common persons to such as were dying, the eating up what remained, (which in some places were burnt, in other places were consumed by Children, or by the Clergy) their making Cataplasms of it, their mixing the consecrated Chalice with ink to sign the Excommunication of Hereticks. These, with a great many more, are such convictions to one that has carefully compared the ancient forms, with the Rubricks and Rites of the Church of <hi>Rome,</hi> since this Doctrine was set up, that it is as discernable as any thing can be, that the present belief of the Church of <hi>Rome</hi> is different from the Primitive Doctrine.</p>
<p>And thus far we have set down the reasons that perswade us that Transub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stantiation was not the belief of the first seven or eight Centuries of the Church. If there be any part of what we have as<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>serted, questioned, we have very formal and full proofs ready to shew for them; though we thought it not fit to enter into the particular proofs of any thing, but what we undertook to make out
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when we waited on your Ladyship.</p>
<p>Now there remains but one thing to be done, which we also promised; and that was to clear the words of St. <hi>Cyril</hi> of <hi>Jerusalem</hi>: We acknowledg they were truly cited: but for clearing of them, we shall neither alledg any thing to the lessening the authority of that Father, though we find but a slender cha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>racter given of him by <hi>Epiphanius</hi> and others: Nor shall we say any thing to lessen the authority of these Catechisms, though much might be said. But it is plain, St. <hi>Cyril</hi>'s design in these Cate<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>chisms, was only to posses his <hi>Neophites</hi> with a just and deep sense of these holy Symboles. But even in his 4<hi>th</hi> Cate<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>chism he tells them, not <hi>to consider it as meer Bread and Wine, for it is the Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy and Blood of Christ.</hi> By which it ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pears he thought it was Bread still, though not <hi>meer Bread.</hi>
</p>
<p>And he gives us else-where a very for<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mal account in what sense he thought it was Christ's Body and Blood; which he also insinuates in this 4<hi>th</hi> Cathechism: For in his first Mist. Catechism, when he exhorts his young Christians to avoid all that belonged to the Heathenish Idola<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>try, he tells, <hi>that on the solemnities of their
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Idols they had Flesh and Bread, which by the Invocation of the Devils were de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>filed, as the Bread and Wine of the Eu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>charist before the holy Invocation of the Blessed Trinity was bare bread and Wine; but the Invocation being made, the Bread becomes the Body of Christ. In like manner,</hi> says he, <hi>those victuals of the pomp of Satan, which of their own na<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture are common or bare victuals, by the Invocation of the Devils become pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>phane.</hi>
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<p>From this Illustration, which he bor<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rowed from <hi>Iustin Martyr</hi> his second Apology, it appears, that he thought the Consecration of the Eucharist was of <hi>a like sort or manner</hi> with the profanation of the Idolatrous Feasts; so that as the substance of the one remained still un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>changed, so also according to him must the substance of the other remain. Or, if this will not satisfy them, let us see to what else he compares this change of the Elements by the Consecration: in his third Mist. Catechism, treating of the Consecrated Oil, he says; <hi>As the Bread of the Eucharist after the Invocation of the Holy Ghost is no more common Bread, but the Body of Christ; so this holy Oint<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment is no more bare Ointment, nor, as
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some may say, common; but it is a gift of Christ, and the presence of the Holy Ghost, and becomes energetical of his Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vinity.</hi> And from these places let it be gathered what can be drawn from St. <hi>Cy<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ril</hi>'s testimony. And thus we have per<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>formed likewise what we promised, and have given a clear account of St. <hi>Cyril</hi>'s meaning from himself; from whose own words, and from these things which he compares with the sanctification of the Elements in the Eucharist, it appears he could not think of Transubstantiation; otherwise he had neither compared it with the Idol-Feasts, nor the consecrated Oil, in neither of which there can be supposed any Transubstantiation.</p>
<p>Having thus acquitted our selves of our engagement before your Ladiship, we shall conclude this Paper with our most earnest and hearty prayers to the Father of Lights, that he may of his great mercy redeem his whole Christian Church from all Idolatry; that he may open the eyes of those, who being carnal look only at carnal things, and do not rightly consider the excellent Beauty of this our most holy Faith, which is pure, simple, and spiritual: And that he may confirm all those whom he has called to
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the knowledg of the Truth; so that nei<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther the pleasures of Sin, nor the snares of this World, nor the fear of the Cross, tempt them to make shipwrack of the Faith and a good Conscience. And that God may pour out abundance of his Grace on your Ladiship, to make you still continue in the love and obedience of the Truth, is the earnest Prayer of,</p>
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<hi>Your Ladiship's most Humble Servants,</hi> Edward Stillingfleet, Gilbert Burnet.</signed>
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<head>A Discourse, To shew How unreasonable it is, To ask for Express Words of Scripture in proving all Articles of Faith: And that a just and good Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sequence from Scripture is sufficient.</head>
<p>IT will seem a very needless labour to all considering persons, to go about the exposing and baffling so unreasonable and ill-grounded a pretence, <hi>That whatever is not read in Scripture, is not to be held an Article of Faith.</hi> For in making good this Asser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion, they must either fasten their proofs on some other ground, or on the words of our Article; which are these, <hi>Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation: So that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>by,
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is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an Article of Faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation.</hi>
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<p>Now it is such an affront to every mans eyes and understanding to infer from these words, That all our Articles must be read in Scripture, that we are confident every man will cry Shame on any that will pretend to fasten on our Church <hi>any such obligation from them.</hi> If these unlucky words, <hi>Nor may be pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ved thereby,</hi> could be but dashed out, it were a won cause. But we desire to know what they think can be meant by these words? or what else can they signifie, but that there may be Articles of Faith, which though they be not read in Scripture, yet are proved by it. There be some Propositions so equi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>valent to others, that they are but the same thing said in several words; and these, though not read in Scripture, yet are contained in it, since wheresoever the one is read, the other must necessa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rily be understood. Other Propositions there are, which are a necessary result either from two places of Scripture, which joined together yeild a third, as a necessa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ry issue; according to that eternal Rule
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of Reason and Natural Logick, <hi>That wherever two things agree in any Third, they must also agree among Themselves.</hi> There be also other Propositions that arise out of one single place of Scripture by a natural deduction; as if Jesus Christ be proved from any place of Scripture the <hi>Creator of the world,</hi> or that <hi>He is to be worshipped with the same Adora<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion that is due to the Great God,</hi> then it necessarily follows, that He is the <hi>Great God</hi>; because He does the Works, and receives the Worship of the <hi>Great God.</hi> So it is plain, that our Church by these words, <hi>Nor may be proved thereby,</hi> has so declared Her self in this point, that it is either very great want of conside<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ration, or shameless impudence, to draw any such thing from our Articles.</p>
<p>But we being informed, that by this little art, as shuffling and bare so ever as it must appear to a just discerner, many have been disordered, and some prevailed on; We shall so open and expose it, that we hope it shall appear so poor and tri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fling that every body must be ashamed of it. It hath already shewed it self in <hi>France</hi> and <hi>Germany,</hi> and the Novelty of it took with many, till it came to be canvassed; and then it was found so
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weak, that it was universally cried down and hissed off the stage. But now that such decried wares will go off no-where, those that deal in them, try if they can vent them in this Nation.</p>
<p>It might be imagined, that of all per<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sons in the world they should be the furthest from pressing us to reject all Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ticles of Faith that are not read in Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture; since whenever that is received as a Maxim, <hi>The Infallibility of their Church, the Authority of Tradition, the Supre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>macy of Rome, the Worship of Saints,</hi> with a great many more must be cast out. It is unreasonable enough for those who have cursed and excommunicated us, because we reject these Doctrines, which are not so much as pretended to be read in Scripture; to impose on us the Reading all our Articles in these Holy Writings.</p>
<p>But it is impudent to hear persons speak thus, who have against the express and formal words of Scripture, set up <hi>the making and worshipping of Images</hi>; and these not only of Saints, (though that be bad enough), but of the <hi>Blessed Trinity, the praying in an unknown tongue, and the taking the Chalice from the people.</hi> Certainly this plea in such
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mens mouths is not to be reconciled to the most common rules of decency and discretion. What shall we then conclude of men that would impose rules on us, that neither themselves submit to, nor are we obliged to receive by any Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine or Article of our Church.</p>
<p>But to give this their Plea its full strength and advantage, that upon a fair hearing all may justly conclude its un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>reasonableness, we shall first set down all can be said for it.</p>
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<hi>In the Principles of Protestants the Scriptures are the rule by which all Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>troversies must be judged; now they ha<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ving no certain way to direct them in the exposition of them, neither Tradition, nor the Definition of the Curch: Either they must pretend they are Infallible in their Deductions, or we have no reason to make any account of them, as being Fallible and Vncertain; and so they can never secure us from error, nor be a just ground to found our Faith of any Propo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sition so proved upon: Therefore no Pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>position thus proved, can be acknowledged an Article of Faith.</hi> This is the bredth and length of their Plea, which we shall now examine.</p>
<p>And first, if there be any strength in
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this Plea, it will conclude against our sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mitting to the express words of Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture as forcibly: Since all words, how formal soever, are capable of several ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>positions. Either they are to be under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stood literally or figuratively; either they are to be understood positively, or inter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rogatively: With a great many other va<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rieties, of which all expressions are ca<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pable. So that if the former Argument have any force, since every place is capa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ble of several meanings, except we be in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fallibly sure which is the true meaning, we ought by the same parity of Reason to make no account of the most express and formal words of Scripture; from which it is apparent, that what noise so<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ever these men make of express words of Scripture, yet if they be true to their own argument, they will as little submit to these as to deductions from Scripture: Since they have the same reason to que<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stion the true meaning of a place, that they have to reject an inference and de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>duction from it. And this alone may serve to satisfy every body that this is a trick, under which there lies no fair deal<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing at all.</p>
<p>But to answer the Argument to all mens satisfaction, we must consider the
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nature of the Soul, which is a reasonable being; whose chief faculty is to discern the connexion of things, and to draw out such Inferences as flow from that con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nexion. Now, though we are liable to great abuses both in our judgments and inferences; yet if we apply these facul<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ties with due care, we must certainly acquiesce in the result of such reason<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ings: Otherwise this being God's Image in us, and the Standard by which we are to try things, God has given us a false Standard; which when we have with all possible care managed, yet we are still ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>posed to fallacies and errors. This must needs reflect on the <hi>Veracity of that God</hi> that has made us of such a nature, that we can never be reasonably assured of any thing.</p>
<p>Therefore it must be acknowledged, that when our Reasons are well prepared according to those eternal rules of Pu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rity and Vertue, by which we are fitted to consider of Divine matters; and when we carefully weigh things, we must have some certain means to be assured of what appears to us. And though we be not infallible, so that it is still possible for us by precipitation, or undue preparation, to be abused into mistakes; yet we may
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be well assured that such Connexions and Inferences as appear to us certain, are infallibly true.</p>
<p>If this be not acknowledged, then all our obligation to believe any thing in Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ligion will vanish. For that <hi>there is a God, that he made all things, and is to be acknowledged, and obeyed by his crea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tures; that our souls shall outlive their union with our bodies, and be capable of rewards and punishments in another state; that Inspiration is a thing possible; that such or such actions were above the power of nature, and were really per<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>formed.</hi> In a word, all the Maxims on which the belief, either of Natural Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ligion, or Revealed, is founded, are such as we can have no certainty about them, and by consequence are not obliged to yield to them; if our faculty of Reason<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing in its clear deductions is not a suffi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cient warrant for a sure belief.</p>
<p>But to examin a little more home their beloved Principle, <hi>that their Church can<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>not err,</hi> must they not prove this from the Divine Goodness and Veracity, from some passages of Scripture, from mira<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cles and other extraordinary things they pretend do accompany their Church?</p>
<p>Now in yielding assent to this Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine
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upon these proofs, the mind must be led by many arguments, through a great many Deductions and Inferences. Therefore we are either certain of these deductions: Or we are not. If we are certain, this must either be founded on the Authority of the Church expounding them, or on the strength of the argu" ms="ments. Now we being to examin this Authority, not having yet submitted to it; this cannot determine our belief till we see good cause for it. But in the discerning this good cause of believing the Church Infallible, they must say that an uncontrollable evidence of reason is ground enough to fix our Faith on, or there can be no certain ground to believe the Church Infallible. So that it is ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>parent we must either receive with a firm perswasion what our souls present to us as uncontrollably true; or else we have no reason to believe there is a God, or to be Christians, or to be, as they would have us, Romanists.</p>
<p>And if it be acknowledged there is cause in some cases for us to be deter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>mined by the clear evidence of Reason in its Judgments and Inferences; then we have this Truth gained, that our Rea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sons are capable of making true and cer<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tain
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Inferences, and that we have good cause to be determined in our belief by these; and therefore Inferences from Scripture ought to direct our belief: Nor can any thing be pretended against this, but what must at the same time overthrow all Knowledg and Faith, and turn us sceptical to every thing.</p>
<p>We desire it be in the next place con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sidered what is the end and use of speech and writing, which is to make known our thoughts to others; those being ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tificial signs for conveying them to the understanding of others. Now every man that speaks pertinently, as he de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>signs to be understood, so he chooses such expressions and arguments as are most proper to make himself understood by those he speaks to; and the clearer he speaks, he speaks so much the better: and every one that wraps up his mean<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing in obscure words, he either does not distinctly apprehend that about which he discourses, or does not design that those to whom he speaks should under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stand him, meaning only to amuse them. If likewise he say any thing from which some absurd Inference will easily be ap<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>prehended, he gives all that hear him a sufficient ground of prejudice against
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what he says. For he must expect that as his Hearers senses receive his words or characters, so necessarily some figure or notion must be at the same time imprinted on their imagination, or pre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sented to their reason; this being the end for which he speaks, and the more genuinely that his words express his meaning, the more certainly and clearly they to whom he directs them apprehend it. It must also be acknowledged, that all hearers must necessarily pass judgments on what they hear, if they do think it of that importance as to examine it. And this they must do by that natural faculty of making judgments and de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ductions, the certainty whereof we have proved to be the foundation of all Faith and Knowledge.</p>
<p>Now the chief rule of making true judgments, is, to see what consequences certainly follow on what is laid before us: If these be found absurd or impos<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sible, we must reject that from which they follow as such.</p>
<p>Further, because no man says every thing that can be thought or said to any point, but only such things as may be the seeds of further enquiry and knowledg in their minds to whom he
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speaks; when any thing of great im<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>portance is spoken, all men do naturally consider what inferences arise out of what is said by a necessary Connexion: And if these deductions be made with due care, they are of the same force, and must be as true as that was from which they are drawn.</p>
<p>These being some of the Laws of Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>verse, which every man of common sense must know to be true, can any man think, that when God was revealing by inspired men his Counsels to mankind, in matters that concerned their eternal happiness, he would do it in any other way than any honest man speaks to ano<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ther, that is, plainly and distinctly?</p>
<p>There were particular reasons why prophetical visions must needs be ob<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>scure; but when Christ appeared on earth, though many things were not to be fully opened till he had triumphed over death and the powers of darkness: Yet his design being to bring men to God, what he spoke in order to that, we must think he intended that they to whom he spake it might understand it, otherwise why should he have spoken it to them? and if he did intend they should understand him, then he must
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have used such expressions as were most proper for conveying this to their under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>standings; and yet they were of the meaner sort, and of very ordinary capa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cities, to whom he addressed his discour<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ses. If then such as they were, might have understood him; how should it come about that now there should be such a wondrous mysteriousness in the words of Christ and his Apostles? (For the same reason by which it is proved that Christ designed to be understood, and spake suitably to that design, will con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>clude as strongly that the Discourses of the Apostles in matters that concern our salvation, are also intelligible.) We have a perfect understanding of the Greek Tongue; and, though some phrases are not so plain to us which alter every age, and some other passages that relate to some customs, opinions or forms, of which we have no perfect account left us, are hard to be understood: Yet what is of general and universal concern, may be as well understood now as it was then; for sense is sense still. So that it must be acknowledged, that men may still un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstand all that God will have us be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve and do in order to salvation.</p>
<p>And therefore if we apply and use our
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faculties aright, joyning with an unpre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>judiced desire and search for truth, ear<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nest prayers that God by his Grace may so open our understandings, and present Divine truths to them, that we may be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lieve and follow them: Then both from the nature of our own souls, and from the design and end of revelation, we may be well assured that it is not only very possible, but also very easy for us to find out truth.</p>
<p>We know the pompous Objection a<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gainst this, is, <hi>How comes it then that there are so many errors and divisions among Christians? especially those that pretend the greatest acquaintance with Scriptures:</hi> To which the Answer is so obvious and plain, that we wonder any body should be wrought on by so falla<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cious an Argument. Does not the Gos<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pel offer Grace to all men to lead holy lives, following the Commandments of God? And is not Grace able to build them up, and make them perfect in every good word and work? And yet how does sin and vice abound in the World? If then the abounding of error proves the Gospel does not offer certain ways to preserve us from it, then the abounding of sin will also prove there are no cer<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tain
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ways in the Gospel to avoid it. Therefore as the sins mankind generally live in, leave no imputation on the Gos<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>pel; so neither do the many Heresies and Schisms conclude that the Gospel offers no certain ways of attaining the know<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledg of all necessary truth. Holiness is every whit as necessary to see the face of God as knowledg is, and of the two is the more necessary; since low degrees of knowledg, with an high measure of ho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>liness, are infinitely preferable to high degrees of knowledg with a low measure of holiness. If then every man have a sufficient help given him to be holy, why may we not much rather conclude he has a sufficient help to be knowing in such things as are necessary to direct his belief and life, which is a less thing? And how should it be an imputation on Religion, that there should not be an in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fallible way to end all Controversies, when there is no infallible way to sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>due the corrupt lusts and passions of men, since the one is more opposite to the de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sign and life of Religion than the other?</p>
<p>In sum, there is nothing more sure than that the Scriptures offer us as certain ways of attaining the knowledg of what is necessary to salvation, as of doing the
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will of God. But as the depravation of our natures makes us neglect the helps towards an holy life; so this and our other corruptions, lusts and interests, make us either not to discern Divine truth, or not embrace it. So that Error and Sin are the Twins of the same Pa<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rents. But as every man that improves his natural powers, and implores and makes use of the supplies of the Divine Grace, shall be enabled to serve God ac<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceptably; so that though he fail in ma<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ny things, yet he continuing to the end in an habit and course of well doing, his sins shall be forgiven, and himself shall be saved: So upon the same grounds we are assured, that every one that applies his rational faculties to the search of Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vine truth, and also begs the illumination of the Divine Spirit, shall attain such knowledg as is necessary for his eternal salvation: And if he be involved in any errors, they shall not be laid to his charge.</p>
<p>And from these we hope it will appear, that every man may attain all necessary knowledg, if he be not wanting to him<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>self. Now when a man attains this know<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledg, he acquires it, and must use it as a rational being, and so must make judg<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ments
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upon it, and draw consequences from it; in which he has the same reason to be assured, that he has to know the true meaning of Scripture; and there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore as he has very good reason to reject any meaning of a place of Scripture, from which by a necessary consequence great absurdities and impossibilities must follow: So also he is to gather such in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ferences as flow from a necessary con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nexion with the true meaning of any place of Scripture.</p>
<p>To instance this in the argument we insisted on, to prove <hi>the mean by which Christ is received in the Sacrament, is Faith</hi>; from these words, <hi>Whoso eats my Flesh, and drinks my Blood, hath eter<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>nal life.</hi> If these words have relation to the Sacrament, which the Roman Church declares is the true meaning of them; there cannot be a clearer demonstration in the World. And indeed they are ne<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cessitated to stand to that exposition; for if they will have the words, <hi>This is my Body,</hi> to be understood literally, much more must they assert the phrases of <hi>eating his Flesh, and drinking his Blood,</hi> must be literal: for if we can drive them to allow a figurative and spiritual meaning of these words, it is a shameless
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thing for them to deny such a meaning of the words, <hi>This is my Body:</hi> they then expounding these words of St. <hi>Iohn</hi> of the Sacrament, there cannot be ima<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gined a closser Contexture than this which follows. The eating Christ's Flesh, and drinking his Blood, is the receiving him in the Sacrament; therefore every<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>one that receives him in the Sacrament must have eternal life. Now all that is done in the Sacrament, is either the ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ternal receiving the Elements, Symboles, or, as they phrase it, the accidents of Bread and Wine, and under these the Bo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy of Christ; or the internal and spiri<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tual communicating by Faith. If then Christ received in the Sacrament gives eternal life, it must be in one of these ways, either as he is received externally, or as he is received internally, or both; for there is not a fourth: Therefore if it be not the one at all, it must be the other only. Now it is undeniable, that it is not the external eating that gives eternal life. For St. <hi>Paul</hi> tells us <hi>of some that eat and drink unworthily, that are guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord, and eat and drink judgment against themselves.</hi> Therefore it is only the in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ternal receiving of Christ by Faith, that
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gives eternal life; from which another necessary inference directs us also to con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>clude, that since all that eat his Flesh, and drink his Blood, have eternal life: and since it is only by the internal com<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>municating that we have eternal life, therefore these words of <hi>eating his Flesh, and drinking his Blood,</hi> can only be un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstood of internal communicating; therefore they must be spiritually under<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stood.</p>
<p>But all this while the Reader may be justly weary of so much time and pains spent to prove a thing which carries its own evidence so with it, that it seems one of the first Principles and Foundations of all Reasoning; for no proposition can appear to us to be true, but we must also assent to every other deduction that is drawn out of it by a certain inference. If then we can certainly know the true meaning of any place of Scripture, we may and ought to draw all such conclu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sions as follow it with a clear and just consequence; and if we clearly appre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>hend the consequence of any propositi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>on, we can no more doubt the truth of the consequence, than of the propo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sition from which it sprung: For if I see the air full of a clea<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
<desc>•</desc>
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must certainly conclude the Sun is risen; and I have the same assurance about the one that I have about the other.</p>
<p>There is more than enough said alrea<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dy for discovering the vanity and ground<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lesness of this method of arguing: But to set the thing beyond all dispute, let us consider the use which we find our Savi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>our and the Apostles making of the Old Testament, and see how far it favours us, and condemns this appeal to the formal and express words of Scriptures. But be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore we advance further, we must remove a prejudice against any thing may be drawn from such Presidents, these being persons so filled with God and Divine knowledg, as appeared by their Miracles and other wonderful Gifts, that gave so full an Authority to all they said, and of their being infallible, both in their Expositions and Reasonings, that we whose understan<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dings are darkned and disordered, ought not to pretend to argue as they did.</p>
<p>But for clearing this, it is to be obser<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ved, that when any person Divinely as<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sisted, having sufficiently proved his in<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>spiration, declares any thing in the name of God, we are bound to submit to it; or if such a person, by that same Autho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rity, offers any Exposition of Scripture,
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he is to be believed without further dispute. But when an inspired person argues with any that does not acknow<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ledg his inspiration, but is enquiring into it, not being yet satisfied about it; then he speaks no more as an inspired person: In which case the Argument offered is to be examined by the force that is in it, and not by the authority of him that uses it. For his Authority being the thing questioned, if he offers an Argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment from any thing already agreed to; and if the Argument be not good, it is so far from being the better by the autho<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rity of him that useth it; that it rather gives just ground to lessen or suspect his Authority, that understands a conse<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quence so ill, as to use a bad Argument to use it by. This being premised.</p>
<p>When our Saviour was to prove against the Sadducees the truth of the Resur<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>rection from the Scriptures, he cites out of the Law that <hi>God was the God of</hi> Abraham, Isaac, <hi>and</hi> Jacob; <hi>since then God is not God of the dead, but of the living: Therefore</hi> Abraham, Isaac <hi>and</hi> Jacob <hi>did live unto God.</hi> From which he proved the Souls having a being di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>stinct from the Body, and living after its separation from the Body, which was the
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principal Point in Controversy. Now if these new Maxims be of any force, so that we must only submit to the express words of Scripture, without proving any thing by consequence; then certainly our Saviour performed nothing in that Argu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ment: For the Sadducees might have told him, they appealed to the express words of Scripture. But alas! they un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>derstood not these new-found Arts, but submitting to the evident force of that consequence, were put to silence, and the <hi>multitudes were astonished at his Do<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ctrine.</hi>
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<p>Now it is unreasonable to imagine that the great Authority of our Saviour, and his many Miracles, made them silent; for they coming to try him, and to take advantage from every thing he said, if it were possible to lessen his esteem and Au<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thority, would never have acquiesced in any Argument because he used it, if it had not strength in it self; for an ill Ar<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gument is an ill Argumont, use it whoso will. For ins<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
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</gap>ance, If I see a man pre<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tending that he sits in an Infallible Chair, and proving what he delivers by the most impertinent allegations of Scrip<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ture possible, as if he attempts to prove the Pope must be the Head of all Powers
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Civil and Spiritual from the first words of <hi>Genesis</hi>;<note n="*" place="margin">Boniface <hi>the eighth,</hi> Extrav. lib. 1. cap 1. de Majoritate & obedien<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tia. <hi>After he had stu<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>died to prove that the temporal and materi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>al Sword, as well as the spiritual, was in the power of St.</hi> Peter, <hi>from these word</hi>; Behold two swords, <hi>& our Saviour's answer,</hi> It is enough. <hi>In the end he c<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
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</gap>ncludes, Whosoever therefore resists this Power thus ordained of God, resists the Ordinance of God; except with</hi> Manichee <hi>he make two Beginnings, which we define to be false and heretical: For</hi> Moses <hi>testifies, that not</hi> in the Beginnings, <hi>but</hi> in the Beginning God created the Heaven and the Earth. <hi>Therefore we declare, say, de<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fine and pronounce, that it is of necessity to Salvation to every humane creature to be subject to the Pope of</hi> Rome: <hi>And it is plain this sub<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>jection must be that he had been pleading thorough that whole Decretal, which is the subjection of the Temporal Sword to the Spiritual.</hi>
</note> where it being said, <hi>In the Beginning,</hi> and not <hi>in the Beginnings,</hi> in the plural, (from which he concludes there must be but one Beginning and Head of all Power, (to wit) the Pope.) I am so far from being put to silence with this, that I am only astonished how any man of common sense, though he pretended not to Infallibility, could fall into such errors: For an ill Argument, when its fallacy is so apparent, must needs heap contempt on him that uses it.</p>
<p>Having found our Saviour's way of Arguing to be so contrary to this new method these Gentlemen would impose on us; let us see how the Apostles drew their proofs for matters in Controversy from Scriptures: The two great Points they had most occasion to argue upon, were, <hi>Iesus Christ's being the true Mes<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>siah,</hi>
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and <hi>the freedom of the Gentiles from any obligation to the observance of the Mosaical Law.</hi> Now let us see how they proceeded in both these.</p>
<p>For the first; In the first Sermon after the effusion of the Holy Ghost, St. <hi>Peter</hi> proves the truth of Christ's Resurrection from these words of <hi>David, Thou wilt not leave my soul in Hell, nor suffer thine holy one to see corruption.</hi> Now he shews that these words could not be meant of <hi>David,</hi> who was dead and buried; there<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore being a Prophet, he spake of the Re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>surrection of Christ. If here were not consequences and deductions, let every one judg. Now these being spoken to those who did not then believe in Christ, there was either sufficient force in that Argument to convince the Jews, other<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>wise these that spake them were very much both to be blamed, and despised, for offering to prove a matter of such importance by a consequence. But this being a degree of Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, we must acknowledg there was strength in their Argument; and therefore Articles of Faith, whereof this was the Fundamental, may be proved from Scripture by a consequence. We might add to this all the other Prophe<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cies
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in the Old Testament, from which we find the Apostles arguing to prove this foundation of their Faith, which every one may see do not contain in so many words that which was proved by them. But these being so obvious, we choose only to name this, all the rest be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing of a like nature with it.</p>
<p>The next Controversy debated in that time was the obligation of the Mo<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>saical Law. The Apostles by the inspira<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>tion of the Holy Ghost made a formal Decision in this matter, yet there being great opposition made to that, St. <hi>Paul</hi> sets himself to prove it at full length, in his Epistle to the <hi>Galatians,</hi> where, be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sides other Arguments, he brings these two from the Old Testament; one was, that <hi>Abraham was justified by Faith</hi> be<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>fore the giving the Law; for which he cites these words, <hi>Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness:</hi> From which, by a very just consequence he infers, that as <hi>Abra<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ham</hi> was blessed, so all that believe are blessed with him; and that the Law of <hi>Moses,</hi> that was 430 years after, could not disannul it, or make the promise of none effect; therefore we might now be justified by Faith without the Law, as
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well as he was. Another place he cites, is, <hi>The just shall live by Faith,</hi> and he subsumes, <hi>the Law was not of Faith</hi>; from which the Conclusion naturally fol<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>lows: Therefore the just lives not by the Law. He must be very blind that sees not a succession of many consequences in that Epistle of St. <hi>Paul</hi>'s; all which had been utterly impertinent, if this new method had any ground for its preten<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>sion, and they might at one dash have overthrown all that he had said. But men had not then arrived at such devices as must at once overturn all the sense and reason of mankind. We hope what we premised will be remembred, to shew that the Apostles being infallibly directed by the Holy Ghost, will not at all prove, that though this way of Arguing might have passed with them, yet it must not be allowed us: For their being infallibly directed, proves their Arguments and way of proceeding was rational and con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vincing, otherwise they had not pitched on it. And the persons to whom these Arguments were offered not acquiescing in their Authority, their Reasonings must have been good, otherwise they had ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>posed themselves and their cause to the just scorn of their enemies.</p>
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<pb n="81" facs="tcp:62980:79"/>Having therefore evinced that both our Saviour and his Apostles did prove by consequences drawn from Scripture, the greatest and most important Articles of Faith; we judg that we may with very great assurance follow their ex<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ample. But this whole matter will re<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ceive a further confirmation: If we find it was the method of the Church of God in all ages to found her decisions of the most important Controversies on conse<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>quences from Scriptures. There were very few Hereticks that had face and brow enough to set up against express words of Scripture; for such as did so, rejected these Books that were so directly opposite to their errors; as the <hi>Mani<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>che<gap reason="illegible" resp="#PDCC" extent="1 letter">
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