Completely removes overthrow from the game.

[anconfuzedrock]

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rscdel: Removed the entirety of the overthrow gamemode.
/:cl:

[why]: Overthrow has no benefit to the server whatsoever and showed me everything about how not to make a mode:
It's extremely slow paced. once objectives are done, teams have no other motivation.
It's extremely confusing. The goal is to get the most "points" which are never explained. you can't even see how many points your team got unless at roundend your team won
Not even the creator knew what he was doing, considering how one of the objectives works (each team gets rewarded based on whether the head of staff was executed or exiled. each team is rewarded. each team wants to get a higher score than the other teams. if every team is rewarded, none are. this objective is entirely useless to follow)
Lmao the ais laws are so badly done I've had ais subverted to a different team obey mine
Did I mention that it's literal metagangs yet?

[Iamgoofball]

If this stays reverted I'll bring back my gang and Integrate it with economy.

[anconfuzedrock]

I jus don't like overthrow man I just hope this even WORKS but I know it's prolly not

[duckay]

did you really pr a removal without fully understanding the mode

[anconfuzedrock]

what do you mean by understanding cuz lemme tell you I understand the mode better than the creator the only thing I could not understand is whether or not I removed it RIGHT

[duckay]

whats tgstation wiki

[anconfuzedrock]

Duckay if you wanna keep being a smart ass keep it up

[duckay]

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Overthrow

[fludd12]

This has the strong scent of an im ded PR...

[anconfuzedrock]

I guess you could say that fludd. my team won overthrow with every member dead, so I decided this game mode was broken a long time ago.

[HydroFloric]

Overthrow is a shit mode that was basically created as a cash grab as far as I can see. This pr is a good change. Hell I probably wouldn't mind as much if the creator of it has actually made a effort to help rework it but I have never fucking seen them even try to fix it.

Speedmerge this shit

[PKPenguin321]

https://tgstation13.org/tgdb/irvpolltally.php?id=203

VERY recent gamemodes poll. Overthrow placed dead last, getting only 4 first place picks and being eliminated in the first round

[Potato-Masher]

I have not been in a single round of Overthrow (somehow), but I can see where the entire round may stall. There's no real objective that results in the round moving forward; the antagonists can go 100% undetected if careful and after the conversions are done there's not much else to do. Plus, it just seems like a weird Polymerization of Traitor/Gang/Rev or something along those lines. At least Hivemind has some sort of originality going on.

[Carbonhell]

If you have an idea on how to improve it just ask, the idea on paper looked fine for both me and naksu, not my fault if it ended up as a bad idea smh

[optimumtact]

If you toss code over the wall and don't stick around to make changes to it, do not expect it to stick to the game

this is why paying for things doesn't really work unless you have a clear outcome and goal and do not need a long tail of reaction

[HydroFloric]

@Carbonhell First off, during prior interactions with your a was kinda hostile over all this so just a apology about that firstly. On to your statement for how to improve the mode you can probably try to fix the issues brought up in this PR firstly.

Namely

Its very slow paced with teams doing their objectives and sitting on their asses turning it into extended.

Team points are poorly explained with no way for teams to see theirs, or other teams points.

All teams are rewarded when a objective is fulfilled nullifying the entire purpose of having it as a competition between teams.

So those are just some starting things which could be done.

[harmonyn]

it's funny you mention the tgstation wiki since I literally had to bitch at the coders to get the guide to exist in non-placeholder form

[Carbonhell]

I am not a tg player, noone contacted me so i assumed everything was fine, I do not think i was hostile to anyone who pmed me for stuff/general help ever...
Anyway, regarding the issues:
1)It is at the antagonist's discretion to speed stuff up and go wild over other teams, or play the stealth card, they choose how to do it, if you have any idea on how to generally speed stuff up it's welcome
2)If you could see the points, they could be used to metagame and know when a head gets killed or such. If you truly think this is better, I can add it. I just do not think it is, but players may know better. Your choice, it should take at most some minutes to make a PR for this.
3)The point of the gamemode is both to be teams vs crew and team vs team, that is why there is a mechanical way for multiple teams to benefit from one objective. Two teams can ally to exile a head instead of converting it, then one could instead change idea and convert it and start a war with the other team, for example. Maybe more points should be given to the team who actually does the task? Not sure how to properly handle detecting murder, codewise though.

[anconfuzedrock]

if you don't play our server, why do you care if it gets removed? are you worried you'll have to give your money back?

[ghost]

@anconfuzedrock holy shit shut up brainlet hes a downstream maintainer which means keeping this mode in upstream is beneficial if he wants it downstream. stay on the server and off the github please

[Carbonhell]

@anconfuzedrock i'm not forced to do anything and no, i am not worried about giving back the money lol, i just think rushing a removal when noone even cared to send me a PM about any sort of issue with the gamemode is dumb
feel free to think whatever you want

[anconfuzedrock]

Fair enough

[subject217]

removal is premature here tbh

[wesoda25]

Wow it’s almost like no one likes overthrow or assimilation.

We sure did need the poll for that (pessimism aside the poll was needed).

[ExcessiveUseOfCobblestone]

assim is fine frick off

[anconfuzedrock]

This pr isn't about assimilation.

[sagattyy]

the new gamemodes are bad

[optimumtact]

@Repukan when you make a PR for it

[Iamgoofball]

wasn't clockcult already removed?

[PKPenguin321]

The mode was removed along with Reebe, meaning the gamemode doesn't work at all. It still has stuff in the code but it's more than just removed from the rotation

[SouDescolado]

To be fair, I only played overthrow once. I became a borg, and was following AI orders, BUT I couldn't see who we were obeying (There is already an issue about it open), where we had to keep asking the AI wtf to do and who to obey, since we couldn't even know who was syndicate. Then we got an order to meet someone, on the way the team changed, and we killed the guy who we were going to meet in the first place.

There was a point that I had no idea what to do so I went to where I had spaced HoS body and kept hitting it. On the escape shuttle, the AI decided to tell it's laws, because why not?

There are lots of things to be fixed. There are ways to try to avoid metagame while making the game fun. But right now, considering I only saw the borg side of this mode, it is kinda a mess.

There are at least 4 issues that are valid about overthrow(To be fair one was opened recently). Maybe they should get assigned to @Carbonhell to make it easier for him to see what is going on.

Now, about being paid code, it is not the first time someone get paid for a code and do not maintain it. But the money is not leaving my wallet, so if this isn't a problem for who is paying, so be it.