How to set and item in an item set to 100% select?

[Rob-bb]

Hi. I want to build an item set where some items have 100% chance of being selected if that set is selected. How can do this?

[thommcgrath]

There really isn't a way. I'm sorry. I don't have any ideas for you.

[Rob-bb]

Ok, when editing by hand you can set an item to be 100% and then when that set is picked that item will always be selected. I am not sure if it is intended behavior but it does work.

Alos, when making a custom loot source in the first window what do the min and max multipliers do?

And when editing the items in a preset what are Lock Qty and Lock Quality setting for?

cheers,

[thommcgrath]

First Item: Can you show me the code that would do that?

Second Item: Each loot source has an inherent multiplier range. So a 1-2 quality definition in one loot source is not the same as a 1-2 quality definition in another loot source. By knowing these values built into the loot source, Beacon can calculate the correct quality value to use based on your choices.

Third Item: Presets adjust their contents based on the loot source they are placed into. For example, put the raw materials preset into both a white beacon and a white bonus beacon, and you'll notice that the bonus beacon has twice the quantities. But this isn't always appropriate, so locking the quality and/or quantity means the preset will stick exactly to the definition without altering.

[Rob-bb]

Hi

This entry will always give the wood structures, and has a chance of also giving a sleeping bag and a oil lamp. Well, I am 98% sure any way :-)

(MinNumItems=5,MaxNumItems=7,NumItemsPower=1.0,SetWeight=0.05,bItemsRandomWithoutReplacement=true,
ItemEntries=(

(EntryWeight=0.25,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_SleepingBag_Hide_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=1,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_WoodCeiling_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=1,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_WoodDoor_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=1,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_WoodFloor_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=1,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_WoodWall_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=3,MaxQuantity=3,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=1,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_WoodWallWithDoor_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0),

(EntryWeight=0.25,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_StandingOilLantern_Child_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.0),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=1,MaxQuality=1,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0))),

[Rob-bb]

Second Item: Each loot source has an inherent multiplier range. So a 1-2 quality definition in one loot source is not the same as a 1-2 quality definition in another loot source. By knowing these values built into the loot source, Beacon can calculate the correct quality value to use based on your choices.

So do the numbers correspond the the quality like ramshackle, journeyman etc,

[thommcgrath]

Well... yeah. It is set to at least 5 items, at most 7, out of a total 7. So mathematically, you are guaranteed at least: 3-5 wood structures, a sleeping bag, and a lantern; 4-6 wood structures, and a sleeping back or lantern, or 5-7 wood structures. Does that make sense? There's nothing special going on and Beacon can do exactly this.

[thommcgrath]

Yes, those numbers apply to quality. If you don't know the multipliers for a loot source, leave it as 1.

[Rob-bb]

Yes, but the entry weight of 1 means those 5 items will always be selected, and then each of the other 2 items has a 25% chance of being selected, or possibly another of the wood structures.

At Least that is how I understand it to work from the article on survive the ark website. Although now I think about it the order might be important so maybe the items with entry weight of 1 should all be first in the set? So it picks a min of 5 items and the first 5 it tries all have a 100% chance of being selected. I am not sure about that.

[thommcgrath]

That article you've read (I've seen it too) is wrong. At least according to my testing. In my personal loot sources, all the weights are 1. The weights are a relative chance of selection. So two items with 1.0 weight will each have a 50% chance of being selection. The math is weight / sum of weights. So those 5 items are not 100% guaranteed to be selected, though the chance is very high. If you import that config into Beacon, it'll show you the chance breakdown.

[thommcgrath]

This other issue is relevant to the conversation #3

[Rob-bb]

Ok, bummer, What I am trying to achieve is a giving a complete hut in a beacon, so foundation, ceiling, door and door way and 3 walls.

If I add them as a single line then I can only include one of the walls, not 3. Any Idea on how I could set this up?

Would this even achieve part of that or could they end up with multiple doors and no foundation?

ConfigOverrideSupplyCrateItems=(SupplyCrateClassString="Level 03",MinItemSets=1,MaxItemSets=3,NumItemSetsPower=0.000000,bSetsRandomWithoutReplacement=true,ItemSets=((MinNumItems=7,MaxNumItems=7,NumItemsPower=1.000000,SetWeight=0.500000,bItemsRandomWithoutReplacement=true,ItemEntries=((EntryWeight=1.000000,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_AdobeCeiling_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeDoor_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWallWithDoor_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeFloor_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWall_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWindow_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWallWithWindow_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.000000,1.000000,1.000000,1.000000,1.000000,1.000000,1.000000),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=0.000000,MaxQuality=1.250000,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0.0)))))

[Rob-bb]

Actually I think this will almost do it, 3 multi item lines and it must select 3 of them.

ConfigOverrideSupplyCrateItems=(SupplyCrateClassString="Level 03",MinItemSets=1,MaxItemSets=3,NumItemSetsPower=0.000000,bSetsRandomWithoutReplacement=true,ItemSets=((MinNumItems=3,MaxNumItems=3,NumItemsPower=1.000000,SetWeight=0.500000,bItemsRandomWithoutReplacement=true,ItemEntries=((EntryWeight=1.000000,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_AdobeCeiling_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeFloor_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.000000,1.000000),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=0.000000,MaxQuality=1.250000,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0.0),(EntryWeight=1.000000,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWall_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWindow_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWallWithWindow_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.000000,1.000000,1.000000),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=0.000000,MaxQuality=1.250000,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0.0),(EntryWeight=1.000000,ItemClassStrings=("PrimalItemStructure_AdobeDoor_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWallWithDoor_C","PrimalItemStructure_AdobeWall_C"),ItemsWeights=(1.000000,1.000000,1.000000),MinQuantity=1,MaxQuantity=1,MinQuality=0.000000,MaxQuality=1.250000,bForceBlueprint=false,ChanceToBeBlueprintOverride=0.0)))))