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Consider renaming "Default Language" to e.g. "Language" #204

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nigelmegitt opened this issue Dec 21, 2023 · 3 comments
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Consider renaming "Default Language" to e.g. "Language" #204

nigelmegitt opened this issue Dec 21, 2023 · 3 comments

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nigelmegitt commented Dec 21, 2023

Follow-on issue from #179:

cconcolato Dec 20, 2023

Why did we change from Primary to Default? I did prefer Primary but won't insist if you still prefer "Default"

nigelmegitt Dec 21, 2023

My concern is that Primary has connotations that could lead to misunderstanding. Primary (also the alternative "Initial") suggests some sort of time or precedence ordering, as though the language specified here is more important, or the starting language for transcription etc. whereas Default is more neutral in that respect, and feels more specific to this particular instance of the document.

cconcolato Dec 21, 2023

I do think the language specified here is more important. The note even says "a language arbitrarily chosen by the author".

My concern with "default" is that it is an overloaded term. We use "default value" in plenty of places to refer to the value when not specified.

Could we just say "Language"?

Originally posted by @cconcolato in #179 (comment)

@nigelmegitt nigelmegitt changed the title Consider renaming "Default Language Consider renaming "Default Language" to e.g. "Language" Dec 21, 2023
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We could just say "Language" but that seems to me very final, as though all of the content in the document must be whatever that Language is. On the other hand, it's good to have the property values have the same name in the model if they have the same representation in TTML.

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Not sure how we're going to get to a conclusion on this. Adding agenda label to remind us to discuss it on a call.

@nigelmegitt nigelmegitt added the agenda Issue flagged for in-meeting discussion label Jan 31, 2024
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The Timed Text Working Group just discussed Consider renaming "Default Language" to e.g. "Language" w3c/dapt#204, and agreed to the following:

  • SUMMARY: Close without change
The full IRC log of that discussion <nigel> Subtopic: Consider renaming "Default Language" to e.g. "Language" #204
<nigel> github: https://github.com//issues/204
<cpn> Cyril: In the text object, it says language not default language
<cpn> Nigel: It's optional in the text object, but mandatory in the script object
<cpn> ... I don't feel strongly about this
<cpn> Cyril: I'm fine, we can close this. Things have changed since last discussed
<cpn> Nigel: Works for me. Any other views?
<cpn> (none)
<nigel> SUMMARY: Close without change

@nigelmegitt nigelmegitt removed the agenda Issue flagged for in-meeting discussion label Feb 15, 2024
@nigelmegitt nigelmegitt closed this as not planned Won't fix, can't repro, duplicate, stale Feb 15, 2024
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