[French] Update “Personal names around the world” #262

arkhi · 2020-09-08T09:14:44Z

Hello,

@r12a: Thanks for your addition in English within the translated text, it was helpful not having to search. :)
@notabene: Proof‑reading is welcome!

This PR includes a couple of things. Let me know if you’d rather have the commits in separate PR or if some changes are a problem. You can visualize the diff without white-space changes to reduce the noise.

Here’s a summary:

Fix typo in English version: repesents to represents.
Translate to French:
- Add non‑breakable space character before punctuation ( ) in description.
- Translate English paragraphs to French.
- Translate two titles which were in English.
Remove quotes around single character text stylized with qchar; It was leading to two types of quotes around a single letter.
Reformat markup:
- Remove trailing spaces.
- Remove line‑breaks around  as they were breaking the flow of sentences before punctuation (. or ,).
- Remove space in emtpy tags: <tag> </tag> to <tag></tag>.
- Remove stray tab!
- Indent lines consistently.
- Make blocks breath a bit.
- Remove type attribute.
- Escape closing tags in JS string.

Closes #261

questions/qa-personal-names.fr.html

notabene · 2020-09-08T09:43:43Z

questions/qa-personal-names.fr.html

 </section>
  <section>
    <h3 id="middleinitial"><a href="#middleinitial">Initiales au milieu</a></h3>
    <p>Les américains écrivent souvent leur nom avec une initiale au milieu, par exemple <b class="highlight">John Q. Public</b>. Les formulaires conçus aux États-Unis considèrent fréquemment cette pratique comme normale, alors qu'au Royaume-Uni, où les gens ont souvent un ou plusieurs seconds prénoms, elle est vue comme une approche très américaine. Dans d’autres pays, les personnes avec plus de deux noms et qui ne les écrivent pas habituellement en initiales, peuvent ne pas savoir comment remplir ce type de formulaires. De plus il faut bien comprendre que de nombreuses personnes qui utilisent des initiales les mettent au début de leur nom.</p>
- <p>Filipinos also write their name with a middle initial, but it represents the mother's  name before marriage rather than a given name. For example, in <b class="highlight">Maria J. Go</b>, the initial repesents Jimenez, the previous family name of Maria's mother. (In fact, an initial may represent more than one name: 'D' may stand for 'Dela Cruz' when the name is written in full.)</p>
+    <p>Les Philippins écrivent également leur nom avec une initiale au milieu, mais celle‑ci représente le nom de naissance de la mère. Par exemple, pour <b class="highlight">Maria J. Go</b>, l’initiale représente Jimenez, le nom de naissance de la mère de Maria. Une initiale peut même représenter plus d’un seul nom&nbsp;: <span class="qchar">D</span> peut signifier ‘Dela Cruz’ lorsque le nom est écrit dans son intégralité.</p>


Suggested change

Les Philippins écrivent également leur nom avec une initiale au milieu, mais celle‑ci représente le nom de naissance de la mère. Par exemple, pour Maria J. Go, l’initiale représente Jimenez, le nom de naissance de la mère de Maria. Une initiale peut même représenter plus d’un seul nom : D peut signifier ‘Dela Cruz’ lorsque le nom est écrit dans son intégralité.

Les Philippins écrivent également leur nom avec une initiale au milieu, mais celle‑ci représente le nom de naissance de la mère. Par exemple, pour Maria J. Go, l’initiale représente Jimenez, le nom de naissance de la mère de Maria. Une initiale peut même représenter plus d’un seul nom : D peut signifier « Dela Cruz » lorsque le nom est écrit dans son intégralité.

(I know I used single quotes here and there, but come to think of it it's not very correct, typography-wise, in French. @arkhi I'll let you decide whether keeping single quotes everywhere or changeing everything to double French quotes.)

I think I’ll let you answer first next time. :}

I was surprised about all those single quotes so I appreciate you’re bringing this up. I’ll change to double‑quotes.

Does anybody have any objection to using Unicode characters instead of HTML entities?

Based on my previous comment, I would replace those quotes by italic unless one has reasons not to.

Yeah, why not, I'm ok with it. But maybe @r12a has something to say.

@r12a: I tried to apply changes to the document in its entirety and went a bit mad. :}

I wonder if we should better get the ball rolling; I can submit a different PR with those changes and include more needed updates, like changing all   to narrow non‑breakable spaces ( ), etc.

If I understand properly the usage of , idiomatic text would be used for most of the text that is not in the language of the article and is not used as the name of the person itself. That means a lot of the text could be updated with:

[…]

In the following example, only the first appellidos is used as an idiomatic text, alhtough I understand  should wrap all occurrences. I would change  to  if that was just me, but I guess this was thought out before and I would prefer not to break anything (and learn about why).

apellidos, sont Pérez Quiñones parce que les apellidos de son père sont Pérez Rodriguez et les apellidos […]

All text in a foreign language should also be marked with its lang attribute, I guess? Am I too extreme to think so? :)

My 2cts: I always add lang attributes, for accessibility's sake.

All apellidos should indeed be surrounded by .... I have changed this in the english version. Foreign language text should have lang attributes.

questions/qa-personal-names.fr.html

r12a · 2020-09-08T10:12:53Z

@arkhi thanks for pointing out the 'represents' typo and the http -> https. I have just committed a new version of the english file with those things corrected, so you can remove the en file changes from your PR.

arkhi · 2020-09-08T12:54:25Z

@r12a: My pleasure; I would have rather just left my history alone but I’ll rebase once all comments and changes are agreed upon. ;)

- Add non‑breakable space in description; - Translate English paragraphs to French; - Translate two titles which were in English.

- Remove line‑breaks around `` as they were breaking the flow of sentences before punctuation (`.` or `,`). - Remove space in emtpy tags: `<tag> </tag>` to `<tag></tag>`. - Remove stray tab! - Indent lines consistently. - Make blocks breath a bit.

- Remove `type` attribute. - Escape closing tags in string.

Resolves w3c#262 (review)

Addresses w3c#261 (comment)

r12a · 2021-04-07T14:10:28Z

This seems to have dropped under the radar. What's the current status ?

arkhi · 2021-04-07T15:04:09Z

Hello @r12a. I was suggesting we could move forward and I could make another PR with more changes later on. That is, if you think it’s OK to do so.

I think my previous comment summarise what could be done. Your feedback on it would be most welcome.

notabene · 2021-04-07T15:47:20Z

Hi @r12a — fine by me whatever @arkhi says. I have no spare time at the moment but he and I date a long way back and I trust him completely just to be clear. :)

r12a · 2021-09-24T14:43:05Z

@arkhi I just came across this again in some old email lists. Can we merge it? Looks like a conflict has crept in that will need to be cleared. If you can fix that, i'm happy to merge it.

arkhi · 2021-09-24T14:57:14Z

@r12a: Sure. I’ll check tomorrow. Thanks for checking in!

…-pages

arkhi · 2021-09-25T17:09:00Z

@r12a: Conflicts are gone and the PR is ready to be merged.

r12a · 2021-09-27T13:09:34Z

Et voilà ! Thanks for sticking with this to the end. I'll now upload to the w3c site, too.

r12a · 2021-09-27T13:20:40Z

Ok, main location at https://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-personal-names.en now synched, and 'needs update' banner removed.

Merci, encore une fois.

arkhi · 2021-09-27T17:32:05Z

Avec plaisir. :)

I’ll make another PR or PRs with the typographic changes we mentioned with @notabene next.

Also incoming potential cross‑translations changes I saw while dealing with the merge conflicts.

r12a · 2021-09-27T19:39:13Z

Btw, i think you used NBSP before punctuation. I think NNBSP might be better(?)  

Just a suggestion.

arkhi · 2021-09-28T07:32:32Z

Btw, i think you used NBSP before punctuation. I think NNBSP might be better(?)  

Completely agreed; that’s part of the plan. :)

r12a · 2021-09-28T11:33:31Z

Great. Btw, would you be happy use hex numbers in escapes, rather than decimal? I'm so used to the former that it keeps throwing me off because i don't recognise the numbers.

arkhi · 2021-09-28T21:03:04Z

I would not be unhappy. :)

With Slightly Smiling Face Emoji as example, I understand you mean using 🙂 (🙂) instead of 🙂 (🙂); am I correct?

I was planning to simply use the unicode characters.

For example,   for narrow no‑break space instead of  ,   or any existing HTML entity.

Would that be a problem or is it better to use the hex version in all cases? The downsides I see is they are less explicit and probably harder to input for people with non‑friendly OS.

arkhi · 2021-09-28T21:24:22Z

Nevermind, I continued reading and found the answer to my question. I will use escapes for invisible characters.

notabene reviewed Sep 8, 2020

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Fabien Basmaison added 5 commits September 11, 2020 20:27

Update French based on previous changes:

249b03c

- Add non‑breakable space in description; - Translate English paragraphs to French; - Translate two titles which were in English.

Remove quotes around single character text stylized with qchar.

691bcb7

Remove trailing spaces.

e73f66b

Reformat lines:

45e7990

- Remove line‑breaks around `` as they were breaking the flow of sentences before punctuation (`.` or `,`). - Remove space in emtpy tags: `<tag> </tag>` to `<tag></tag>`. - Remove stray tab! - Indent lines consistently. - Make blocks breath a bit.

Clean JS in <head>:

224a6d4

- Remove `type` attribute. - Escape closing tags in string.

arkhi force-pushed the gh-pages branch from fd4f03d to 224a6d4 Compare September 11, 2020 18:28

Fabien Basmaison added 2 commits September 11, 2020 21:01

Update the translators and proof‑readers list:

594f422

Resolves w3c#262 (review)

Add URL for Goulven, proof‑reader:

3869f04

Addresses w3c#261 (comment)

arkhi added 2 commits September 25, 2021 18:08

qa-personal-names: Fix conflict for French translation.

94075d2

Merge branch 'gh-pages' of https://github.com/w3c/i18n-drafts into gh…

977c872

…-pages

r12a merged commit 7ecea89 into w3c:gh-pages Sep 27, 2021

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