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Eliminate 'hanging paragraphs' #424

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dwsinger opened this issue Jul 14, 2020 · 7 comments
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Eliminate 'hanging paragraphs' #424

dwsinger opened this issue Jul 14, 2020 · 7 comments
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we have a number of sections that have both text (before the first sub-section) and sub-sections. I think it's better practice to have one or the other, but not both. Is, for example, a reference to 2.1.3 to the paragraphs before 2.1.3.1 or to the whole sub-section?

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dwsinger commented Jul 14, 2020

Section 4 is particularly amusing. It has hanging text, but only one sub-section (4.1, no 4.2) which in turn has hanging text but again only one subsection (4.1.1).

which suggests we should also simplify by looking for sections that have only one sub-section, and either provide a sub-section heading for the hanging text (if any) or remove the only sub-section heading.

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fantasai commented Aug 6, 2020

Aww. I like hanging paragraphs. Tab and I use them all the time to give introductory material applicable to all the subsections. I get the concern about cross-references, though; is it a real problem?

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frivoal commented Aug 7, 2020

4
  brief intro
  4.1
    some stuff
  4.2
    some more stuff

isn't necessarily bad, though it makes references to "4" a little ambiguous. On the other hand, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense:

4
  half the section
  4.1
    more content
    4.1.1
      one more thing

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I get the concern about cross-references, though; is it a real problem?

FWIW, I have been in several situation where the inability to precisely reference the hanging paragraph caused confusion: when referencing the hanging paragraph from another document or in discussions.

Example: see Clause 3 for a description of the widget where clause 3 is 10 pages and the description is in the hanging paragraph immediately following the Clause 3 header.

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dwsinger commented Aug 7, 2020

I agree, sentences of the form "this section introduces wombats and describes the requirements for international transactions involving them" is pretty harmless. The trouble is, once you have hanging paragraphs, people are tempted to say "and they MUST be treated the same as, or better than, aardvarks" and of a sudden "the requirements of clause 3" is ambiguous: the hanging paragraph only, or 3 and 3.1, 3.2 etc.?

I won't be pedantic about it, but we should skim and make sure that if we have them, they are of the harmless type.

and yes, the structure of section 4 is, well, peculiar.

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dwsinger commented Jun 3, 2021

propose to close, we cleaned 4 this year and the rest seem fairly harmless

@dwsinger dwsinger added Agenda+ Marks issues that are ready for discussion on the call Closed: Question answered Used when the discussion has reached a conclusion, but wasn't an actual issue against the Process. labels Jun 3, 2021
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frivoal commented Jun 4, 2021

We actually did more than just section 4, the reorg fixed a few more of that type of problem. Should have closed this when landing the reorg, so doing it now.

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@frivoal frivoal added Closed: Accepted The issue has been addressed, though not necessarily based on the initial suggestion and removed Agenda+ Marks issues that are ready for discussion on the call labels Jun 4, 2021
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