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[LORE] plasmamen now get paid the same as humans #17604

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@Skrem7 Skrem7 commented Jan 21, 2023

Document the changes in your pull request

lore pr move along citizen

I might adjust some others but this is the main one pressing at me right now because it irks me

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tweak: plasmaman paycheck coefficient increased to 1 from 0.8
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@Yogbot-13 Yogbot-13 added the Tweak This PR contains changes to the game. label Jan 21, 2023
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:(

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Hopekz commented Jan 21, 2023

All your reasons are balance reasoning.
This is lore. Lore isn't fair because it is trying to depict life which also isn't fair.

For example look at 40k lore.
You think they balance 40k lore when they make people in an X position live really unfair lives?

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NT is racist, plasmamen shouldnt get paid more. hate em./

@ThatLing ThatLing added Balance This PR modifies the balance of the game. and removed Balance This PR modifies the balance of the game. labels Jan 22, 2023
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Why the fuck are people downvoting a lore PR lore is LITERALLY Skrem's department

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Hopekz commented Jan 22, 2023

Why the fuck are people downvoting a lore PR lore is LITERALLY Skrem's department

Lmao @ your logic:
"Why would people dislike a change proposed by the HC the whole codebase is LITERALLY their department"

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Why the fuck are people downvoting a lore PR lore is LITERALLY Skrem's department

Lmao @ your logic: "Why would people dislike a change proposed by the HC the whole codebase is LITERALLY their department"

Name one reason why this change is bad.

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Hopekz commented Jan 22, 2023

Name one reason why this change is bad.

Sure, why not there's plenty
I'm probably not going to get in to multiple arguments unless it is demanded but my main point is:

NT species racism is already established as the lore direction we're going with for a while so unless we're going the complete opposite direction now this change doesn't fit.

This is a balance change vs a lore change to make it more "fair"

The only PR I've seen that made us go in a similar lore direction ATM was the "all species can be heads" but even during that PR their pay was specifically kept the same to remain in line with the lore.

Unless the lore is now completely different this PR goes the opposite direction of what is already established.

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Skrem7 commented Jan 22, 2023

NT species racism is already established as the lore direction we're going with for a while so unless we're going the complete opposite direction now this change doesn't fit.

They are not racist, they exploit social circumstances where they can. They cannot do this for plasmamen because of lore, namely that plasmamen have received the same citizen rights they had when they were once human. Worker rights for non-humans are sketchier and harder to fight in court (but plasmamen have human rights!) Hence, the PR.

This is a balance change vs a lore change to make it more "fair"

No. It isn't. Paycheck differences were not merged under the sense of balance, and they should not be considered under balance because our economy is broken. Don't pretend it's about balance.

The only PR I've seen that made us go in a similar lore direction ATM was the "all species can be heads" but even during that PR their pay was specifically kept the same to remain in line with the lore.

IPCs were allowed to be heads. I would do more but I've been relatively conservative to appease you people. I'm planning to do more based on things I've written (that I've gotten next to no objections about).

Unless the lore is now completely different this PR goes the opposite direction of what is already established.

It is a new lore team. I am a new lore director. Do not apply the standards set by the previous lore team to me.

Why would I make a PR that actively goes against a base I had previously set? Why do you care? Why do YOU get to say what the lore direction is? Why do SO MANY PEOPLE want to clash against this small, tiny, inconsequential thing.

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Arent NT just looking for any reason to pay people less? Being what is essentially an animated corpse that is prone to fire hazards seems like a good reason.

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Skrem7 commented Jan 22, 2023

Arent NT just looking for any reason to pay people less? Being what is essentially an animated corpse that is prone to fire hazards seems like a good reason.

See my above response (yes they wish they could)

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See my above response (yes they wish they could)

Ah, wasnt there as i was typing

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Skrem7 commented Jan 22, 2023

See my above response (yes they wish they could)

Ah, wasnt there as i was typing

You DID have the right mentality which I appreciate

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You DID have the right mentality which I appreciate

I am curious to hear what your preferred numbers are for each species. Like, which would be the lowest?

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Skrem7 commented Jan 22, 2023

I am curious to hear what your preferred numbers are for each species. Like, which would be the lowest?

Need to stew on it more, especially for numbers and how low they could go while still actually getting workers who wouldn't just go elsewhere, but it'd probably be polys or IPC.

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Hopekz commented Jan 22, 2023

Why do you care? Why do YOU get to say what the lore direction is? Why do SO MANY PEOPLE want to clash against this small, tiny, inconsequential thing.

Why is it so hard to understand that people care about this project even if they are not in charge of it? 馃珷

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Hopekz commented Jan 22, 2023

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Also your reasoning is in the comments in the code change itself whether you realize you gave one or not.

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Smudged commented Jan 22, 2023

NT species racism is already established as the lore direction
I mean, litearlly coming from the Head Loreman it's simply not.

You're interjecting your own "lore" without basis with what's being currently written, it doesn't make sense.
Robert you're literally rejecting all the new content that's been made just for your nostalgic view of "NT racist"
Which frankly, isn't how many servers are if we're gonna speak about lore.

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Number changes are easy

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I'm fine with more money, I am fine with less. I just preferred alien plasmamen rather than human mutates.

@ThatLing ThatLing merged commit 8eb0749 into yogstation13:master Jan 23, 2023
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@Skrem7 Skrem7 deleted the plasmamanpay branch January 24, 2023 21:51
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