Is Zurb Foundation in active development? #11767
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I was one of the most active contributors to Foundation Sites in the last years. I'll try to answer this as best as possible. In general this project is maintained and developed by volunteers, there are not so many people from ZURB involved anymore (which is not great). The communication could have been better. The lead dev which helped with the last releases left the project and works on other things now. Currently I am mostly the solely active contributor. Unfortunately I (still) see no active contributions from other Yetinauts (the volunteers). Doing this alone is not very motivating and the motivation which I had for Foundation Sites is not there anymore and I have stopped investing more time. I welcome any help from the community and invite you all to actively contribute to the code. |
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Hi, Daniel, |
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Thanks for the work you have done Daniel. I am not a developer either so there is not much I can offer. Sorry. I hope Foundation lives on. |
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@oliviertassinari context for what? This does not change anything on our side tbh. |
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Where are ncoden Rafi and others? |
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A lot of us are still around. But unfortunately without any clear direction or lead, my motivation to help just isn't there. |
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Hi, I am neither a coder nor a Yetinaut – I am just an ordinary user of Fundation. But I regret it being abandoned.
Given there are 100 users of Foundation each willing to give a 100 Dollars to keep the project going (I am willing to): There would be 10.000 Dollars as a starting point … How could things be started to improve? Thanks for answering and helping Reinhard |
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Maybe a Kickstarter for a JQuery-free version 7? |
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As a web developer my priorities are different.
Things like this. If there is jquery or not for me is not important. Matteo |
I guess you mean CSS Locks. See https://css-tricks.com/math-css-locks/
Not sure what you mean. |
I'm wondering the same. What exactly do you mean? |
That's a great goal, but I'm also not sure how realistic it is. Even if $10,000 was raised, I'm not sure how long that could keep someone/people working on the project. When Foundation was at its peak, it had multiple (ZURB) developers investing a ton of time into it.
Direction. Someone from ZURB needs to step up and lead the project or help the project cut ties from ZURB and become completely community based. At the moment, not much can be done without ZURB's input.
A "jQuery Free" version isn't going to save the project. A Kickstarter might be a good idea, but we can't build a campaign around specific features (jQuery-free).
Honestly, at this point there isn't even enough resources to maintain V6. It's not about funds (although that helps) or priorities. It's a lack of direction and time that is the issue. |
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Hello @DanielRuf , first, thanks for your work in a difficult context, second, i am sorry that i hear this only now. So, i'd guess the community has to communicate clearly toward ZURB and itself to gain clarity as to who is responsible for what and in what directions. You can't go on like this and ZURB should take position clearly, as clearly as they can at least. Abandonning a project is always hard but the worst is letting this community and product down without telling it. Daniel, would you know how to communicate officially with ZURB? I'd be willing to ask them, again if it was asked already, to position themselves. I think it's the main point, cause infrastructure and project maintenance is hard, it's a very large project already, and it's technical both in what it delivers and how it delivers it (tooling for making the source compile, ...) Let's ask ZURB (once again?) to tell where they're going, their involvement, the reasons perhaps behind, seemingly, this letting down of the project and its community. |
There's a slack channel where Yetinauts (core contributors) and ZURB communicate. The concerns everyone has been raising here have been mentioned. |
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Hello @JeremyEnglert or @DanielRuf , thanks for your precisions, i had the feeling it had been asked but was not sure. Would you know if the slack channnel is public or closed (from what you tell me it's closed except for core contributors) and if it's public, the slack channel name? |
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@Sven-WEBDESIGN it's a closed channel (core contributors only) |
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@SassNinja, thanks, i'll try another way then. |
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I'm so sad to read all of this. I've been using Foundation since the beginning and I pushed my team to use it on cognizant.com. Like others, I'm a user but not a developer but would like to get involved however I can. If Zurb has no interest in maintaining Foundation anymore, then who would be willing to take it over? And is the project roadmap still applicable? https://github.com/zurb/foundation-sites/wiki/Project-Roadmap Don't let the Yeti die! |
Probably not. The ideas are valid, but the timing isn't realistic at this point. |
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I have tried to find out what is going on with Foundation for half a year. And there were no clear signs. Now I have found this thread and I am following it for two weeks. And finally I get some information. Thanks for your ongoing contributions |
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That's a good point about apps like Pinegrow and CoffeeCup. They have a vested interest in it already so maybe they would have some ideas or leverage? Has anyone reached out to former Zurb folks like K-ball or Rafi? Maybe they have some insight? |
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Hi all-
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@kball is correct. I am working with the team at Zurb on formulating a plan to fully transition the Foundation framework over to the community. I will be heading into their offices next week in hopes that we can push things a little faster while in person. I love Foundation and definitely want to make sure that it and all of its users are taken care of. |
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@dlewand691, @kball, @joeworkman, thank you all for reaching out and responding. |
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Hi all- From Rafi:
From Shawna:
The Yeti will live to see another day! |
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All of the above is true, the good and the bad. We love Foundation AND we love that so many people care. We (ZURB) still use Foundation on our product Helio (https://helio.app/) which is an Angular + Foundation build as well of all our client projects we deliver. We have a plan to transition Foundation over to the community and separate the ZURB name because we can no longer invest in it as a company. For so many reasons, this process which started in January 2019 has stalled. We don't want to just cut the ZURB name off and say bye. There needs to be a strong, official, foundation of leadership and direction to make this work. We believe the project will be even stronger in your hands. In the meantime we need to continue finding bugs, fixing bugs, and providing opinions. |
Thx for starting this conversation, which i hope will help clear things up for everyone. Have a good weekend. |
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Hi @simongcc, Thank you very much. Any help is very welcome. We plan to move away from gulp and use a full webpack config with a few plugins and scripts. |
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I am also an avid fan and user of foundation press. I would like to help maintain this project as well. |
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Huge fan of Foundation - I hope it continues to be supported. |
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Hi, yes Foundation Sites is still actively developed. We have already done many things to move it to the community. You might have already noticed, that "zurb" is not the organization anymore. We are also working on a new community / forum in the background. We have updated and prepared the develop and master branches for v6.6 and also merged and closed many PRs and issues. And there is a new domain which you might have already seen in the last commits: https://get.foundation @joeworkman does a great and big job by leading the migration to a full community project where all of you become collaborators and maintainers and preparing the next release. In general we need any help as all of this is time consuming and not easy while everyone is working for the own employer or for own clients. How can you help? Take a look at the open isaues and PRs, create new issues for v6, provide input and ideas for v7, improve the docs, ... If you need any help please feel free to reach out to us. |
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@DanielRuf Is there any plan for a survey or something similar to gather feedback for what people would like to see in v7? |
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Yes, we plan to do a survey for that. |
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a brief update to everyone: we're focussed now on getting v6.6.0 out asap so all of the many features & fixes in it can be used! I've postponed everything that was scheduled for v6.6.0 (and is not close to done) to v6.7.0 so it does not block the release any longer we're now 95% complete and I'm confident we'll reach the 100% soon since this is the first release without any influence of zurb and without our former lead developer, it takes some time to get everything done (incl. the release process) I know you've been waiting for this release a long time and it seems there's no progress but I can assure you that we're on it! |
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Hey together. Great work. I'm reading this thread since it came up. You reached 100% for 6.6 - that is awesome. Do you have a due date. Is there a beta or RC1 for 6.6 to test @SassNinja ? Just setting up a new project right now. Whats about get.foundation? Maybe I can help with some litte changes there? Is there a Website-Team, @DanielRuf ? |
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Hi @chstappert, Foundation Sites v6.6.0 was released today. I'm going to close the issue as it is resolved now. |
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There will be some news regarding the website. We are still working on it. |
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Great! Thanks a lot @DanielRuf |
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Thanks @DanielRuf and to everyone involved that have made that possible. Kudos! :) |
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Congratulations 🥳 |
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There is a new Foundation Community forum. I recommend that everyone here join. https://foundation.discourse.group See you over there! 😄 |
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Good news! Thanks for your engagement! |
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Congratulations on the first non-Zurb release! Be sure to add any donation options to help keep support and development running. |
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Congratulations guys. I'm glad I checked this issue before seriously considering 'plan B(ootst . . . )'. I have no relevant developer skills to offer but will be happy to report bugs if and when. |
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I need help with updating the foundation press theme.I'm using version 2.10.4.I can't even open wordpress admin dashboard.can anyone please help me to find out the issue and resolve it? |
Hi @vesan132806, this repository is not for WordPress theme, but for CSS/JS framework. You want to check here: https://github.com/olefredrik/FoundationPress Note that this repo is now read only, so you won't be able to ask there for help, just search through existing issues. Btw. if your WordPress dashboard is not available, one of your options is to connect to your website via FTP and try to disable any active plugin (or active theme) by renaming its folder. There are plenty resources online that describe this procedure. If you still are in a need of help, try asking in WordPress Support Forums: https://wordpress.org/support/forums/ |
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Hello! Foundation is great but I've just seen this post and understand that development has stopped - thanks to everyone who has contributed to it. I'm wondering if it might be possible to add an obvious notice on the Docs website that indicates the project is read only and not under active development? I had adopted Foundation because even now it lends itself to really rapid development, but under a deadline it would have been helpful to realise upfront what the status of the project is to aid in choice of adopting or not. Cheers! |
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It would be really sad, if this project would die. The fact, that the development has slowed down extremely already 3 years ago, but Foundation is still the best CSS framework imho, shows impressively, how valuable this project is. From time to time, I'm therefore trying other frameworks as well - but there wasn't a single one I've really enjoyed working with. I really don't know, why people are using Tailwind - this absolutely sucks imho. At least, it's 100% against my philosophy of writing HTML and CSS code... I tried Bulma as well, but the UX for me as developer wasn't that great. Of course I tried Bootstrap a few times - one can work with that, but there are so many small unconveniences and problems in comparison to working with Foundation, so that I'm still using it frequently :) I'd contribute, if I could. We're a tiny agency, so money donation is nothing that I can provide. Also, I'm way more good at programming PHP than on JS for example, so contributing code to a framework like Foundation is also not really a viable option unfortunately :( |
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Not wanting to turn this into a debate about frameworks and philosophy, but I'm one of those who has moved on to Tailwind. I really liked Foundation (much better for me than Bootstrap and others) and used it for many years and many projects. But I don't really see the conflict in using Tailwind now because the parts of Foundation that I loved and used the most of was the solid grid classes, and I kind of used them like I'm using Tailwind these days; to style things form HTML rather than CSS files. |
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Please refer to the Discussion Board... #12310 |
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Thanks Joe for pitching in so fast. My heartrate is back to normal.
Best regards,
Dieter
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I have not seen a new pull request go through since Jan 2019. Is Foundation still in active development? I just want to know before I use on a few new projects.
Thanks in advance.
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