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let us talk about these since the question is very interesting and we need
some parameters to see if it makes much of an impact on the energy system
at all or not
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dQUAV3ItMG_MynF-TqMiapA4/edit#
Manu: maybe we should explicitly consider reuse of M&I water and also
desalination options for a richer water-energy story
TODO:
Consistent estimate of land value when optimizing renewable energy land
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read the document and key question that comes out is the following
1) We are still operating the model at a monthly time step, and at county,
i.e. we need to develop some estimates of the potential of renewable energy
and the demand at monthly steps -- which is not the scale at which the grid
optimization people work -- they are trying to manage transmission + load
balancing at the hour or less -- but for grid design this is not
necessarily very efficient (computationally) so they are working on
sophisticated math optimization algorithms
2) I think what we are doing is really a planning/screening model and not a
design model, so we need to make that clear when we talk. However, David F
is finding that there is a strong correlation between renewable supply +
demand when wind, solar and rain are considered on the supply side and
heating/cooling is considered as the major demand (and it is). At the
monthly scale, this would mean that we need to (for each county) consider a
standard wind turbine (e.g., 2MW) and a m^2 solar panel and work up the
day/night potential production from hourly data and then have this
aggregated to a month, and solve for how many of these turbines/panels are
needed as a function of 2 or 3 time segments of each day that are
considered, including any imports (e.g. if we only consider solar, we need
a source for the night) -- we could also parameterize these as a diurnal
cycle and then aggregate. Further, David shows that there is decadal
(years) fluctuation in the seasonally aggregated values of the same
variables = peak to peak decadal fluctuation = as much as 30% to 40% of
long term mean in many cases -- well beyond what a battery could handle and
this could be handled by transmission or by reformed fossil fuels (CO2-->
hydrocarbon)
point being that arguing that these kind of features need to be highlighted
as the issue
I expect that we may activate some but not all components of AWASH at a
time to get a particular point across -- it is a learning model
…On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 2:02 PM, Upmanu Lall ***@***.***> wrote:
let us talk about these since the question is very interesting and we need
some parameters to see if it makes much of an impact on the energy system
at all or not
On Thu, Apr 19, 2018 at 1:32 PM, James Rising ***@***.***>
wrote:
> Previous consolidation document:
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/11SSNrGCMJKmD5xXduu_dQUAV
> 3ItMG_MynF-TqMiapA4/edit#
>
> Manu: maybe we should explicitly consider reuse of M&I water and also
> desalination options for a richer water-energy story
>
> TODO:
> Consistent estimate of land value when optimizing renewable energy land
> use.
>
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Chair, Dept. of Earth & Environmental Engineering,
Director, Columbia Water Center
Senior Research Scientist, International Research Institute for Climate &
Society
842F Mudd, Columbia University
500 W 120th Street, New York, NY 10027
Phone: (212) 8548905
My Columbia University Page <http://www.columbia.edu/~ula2/>, Columbia
Water Center <http://water.columbia.edu/>
Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=JA0o2TUAAAAJ&hl=en>,
orcid.org/0000-0003-0529-8128, ResearcherID: B-7992-2009
<http://www.researcherid.com/rid/B-7992-2009>
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Alan & Carol Silberstein Professor of Engineering,
Chair, Dept. of Earth & Environmental Engineering,
Director, Columbia Water Center
Senior Research Scientist, International Research Institute for Climate &
Society
842F Mudd, Columbia University
500 W 120th Street, New York, NY 10027
Phone: (212) 8548905
My Columbia University Page <http://www.columbia.edu/~ula2/>, Columbia
Water Center <http://water.columbia.edu/>
Google Scholar
<https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=JA0o2TUAAAAJ&hl=en>,
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<http://www.researcherid.com/rid/B-7992-2009>
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<https://columbia.academia.edu/UpmanuLall>, Scopus Author ID: 7007127326
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Previous consolidation document:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/11SSNrGCMJKmD5xXduu_dQUAV3ItMG_MynF-TqMiapA4/edit#
Manu: maybe we should explicitly consider reuse of M&I water and also desalination options for a richer water-energy story
TODO:
Consistent estimate of land value when optimizing renewable energy land use.
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