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Remove "pause VM" button from Qubes Manager #1855
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I think this is bad idea, especially
Pausing VM doesn't release RAM. Also if you want to simply cut |
Marek Marczykowski-Górecki:
I see.
I think so, because it is confusing. But maybe this is something very advanced people such as you (with And perhaps replaced by a VM freeze to disk feature [comparable to what |
Maybe simply remove the button, but leave it in the context menu? Maybe also name it differently? But IMO "pause" is exactly what it does (not "suspend"). Or maybe remove it completely from Qubes Manager and leave only as command line option (I'm ok with that)?
That's good idea, but we don't have support for it just now. |
Yep! I've never once pressed the |
I use pause substantially. Better document the appropriate use of the pause button on the tooltip, than to remove it. |
There are multiple issues with pause functionality:
I think it is't mature enough to be exposed in Qubes Manager. But still should be available from command line interface. What do you think? |
Note these issues in the docs and in the tooltip, and then remove the You can also demote the pausing functionality to an advanced mode, if The problems with communicating with paused VMs (in my view the most Usually if you pause a VM there is a reason why you want to pause it,
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Pause can be very useful to the right people. But I think the key issues here are getting proper feedback in the UI, and distinguishing the user's intent in pausing the vm (versus some automatic trigger of pause, like sleep, which implies automatic un-pause). I think pause should be indicated in the titlebars of each window of a paused vm. Perhaps also add a dom0 mouseover tooltip for them. Not sure if that needs a new issue. |
I like that idea. As for whether it should be filed under a separate issue, that depends on the outcome of this issue. If this issue turns out to be a UX redesign of the pause functionality, your comment belongs here (IMHO). If this issue remains about removing/demoting access to the pause function from/in Qubes Manager, then your idea should probably be filed as a separate issue. |
On 06/13/2016 11:03 PM, Andrew David Wong wrote:
An icon "pause" ( || ) in the titlebar with a tooltip saying "This VM is
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Adds an explanatory (and slightly cautious, with a big EXPERIMENTAL at the end) tooltip to the Pause action in Qube Manager. references QubesOS/qubes-issues#1855
I've added a tooltip with explanation and warning (according to @andrewdavidwong's wording in #2211 ) - I think this one can be closed. |
Currently this is not the case. #1663 implemented running suspend / resume scripts on host suspend / resume, but not on VM pause / resume in QVMM.
I think this has a good chance of causing some confusion for example for #1764. Users might pause their sys-whonix using QVMM for various reasons. (make more RAM available, travel with Tor disabled, etc.) Then when they resume sys-whonix, they will be confused. (Just as #1663 caused confusion.)
Please implement running suspend / resume scripts also on VM pause / resume.
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