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2000-01-02 Origin of Life - John Barkhausen + Ray Peat

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####00m00s JB: Intro

####01m35s RP: Origins of Life

  • need to talk about philosophical/national/cultural context
  • RP studied Russians, from DM 1866
  • DM is "cosmic realist", next VV 1890
  • VV is "bio geo chemist" + "cosmic realist"
  • "cosmic realist" means always must think inside the whole context, as many levels as possible
  • late 1800s VV is in europe, learns from all he meets,
  • VV thinks LT brain is "geo chemical event"
  • IP tries to explain consciousness in realistic terms, motivated by search for unified view
  • T1: tradition #1 (russian) of looking at hidden assumptions behind everything
  • T2: tradition #2 (american) derived from LP views "life comes form life, not from decaying matter"
  • T2 is important for people who want to keep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism
  • IP work was re-interpreted for purposes of T2 by JBW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Watson
  • JBW is founder of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism
  • JBW denied existence of consciousness
  • RP: even in 1968 his professors denied existence of consciousness
  • JBW misinterpretation of IP: "conditional reflex"
  • what IP really meant: "conditional reflex" = consciousness = experience when you react on all the conditions around you
  • JBW removed "consciousness" from IP work

####08m20s RP: Genetics

  • same effort to hide the problem was going on in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
  • genetics wanted to avoid the question where the life came from, focus just on DNA inheritance
  • when genetics forced to explain change, it uses the device of random https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
  • the idea of "random" allows to escape admitting the idea that "origin of life" did happen :-)
  • N-D are denying even JBL inclinations of CD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Darwinism
  • JB: please explain JBL, CD, etc. RP continues:
  • JBL said that life is purposeful, i.e. "intention to do something" is part of the "physiological adaptation"
  • the very attempt to adapt to the environment is passed on from parent to child
  • CD accepted many sources of variation in inheritance, including JBL "intent", including "by chance" and more
  • GM work on peas was a silly forgery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregor_Mendel
  • after GM was resurrected, people had to reinvent CD to have CD say that evolution is only random
  • recent example of "religion of randomness" is the craze about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory
  • genetics is using purely abstract process to prove the idea the you can not predict the future
  • genetics argument: DNA entries are just numbers, individual DNA entries know nothing, so only random change permitted
  • so they reduce complexity of life to the most meaningless unit
  • in chemistry they reduce atoms/molecules to numbers
  • in genetics they reduce inheritance to genes

####13m40s RP: Self-Order

  • but there was a different tradition all along looking at actual non-abstract experiments in sciences
  • this other tradition sees patterns of processes that produces life at all levels
  • AO in 1920 was talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coacervate
  • the idea that complex stable cell-like system can appear from seemingly simple and random solutions
  • the idea of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization which defies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_law_of_thermodynamics
  • there is a separate history of denial that entropy can decrease https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Introduction_to_entropy
  • history of entropy also idealizes randomness
  • 16m27s
  • VV 1922 lecturing on place of consciousness in cosmos, stating that consciousness is generated by physical forces
  • VV idea of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noosphere
  • 18m10s
  • TC took VV ideas and made them fairly revolutionary religious idea
  • TC interpretation was stimulating to many people but TC left out realistic physical principles of VV
  • 18m45s
  • AO ideas influenced SWF, who made experiments of how order is produced from dis-order
  • 19m20s
  • VV also met in Paris HLC, creator of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Chatelier's_principle
  • HLC principle is universal, describes equilibrium of complex systems
  • VV realized that HLC principle applied to solar energy plus earth volcanism creates "energy pressure for life on earth", so systems on earth will adjust to restore equilibrium to use the energy that available, and create smarter and better metabolizing organisms on earth
  • 22m50s
  • SWF used VV principles and showed that concentrated amino acid solutions plus volcano heat do create protein-like complex molecules, and depends on water concentration
  • RP professor SAB, revolutionized cell physiology by demonstrating that glugolytic enzymes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycolysis concentration in cell is higher then concentration of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose they work on; so when people dilute cell contents to study it, it is a wrong science
  • 26m10s
  • SWF showed that "relatively dry heat" will create protein-like molecules, and by adding water, will create bacteria-like particles, with a lot of processes similar to cells, including cell division and dna
  • 28m20s
  • JB: so SWF essentially originated life? RP: yes.
  • SWF work was mentioned in 1968 text book, but was deleted later :-) http://www.amazon.com/Lehninger-Principles-Biochemistry-David-Nelson/dp/1429234148/
  • 30m00s JB: please explain more about SAB work
  • RP: the process is much more orderly then random in real cells compared to what people study
  • when RP asked his professors how can he study cells w/o destroying them he was laughed at

####32m00s RP: Split in Ideas

  • JB: so there is a split going on T1 vs T2 traditions? RP: yes
  • JB: so science is afraid to touch on religion? RP: yes
  • RP read my book: http://www.amazon.com/Generative-Energy-Restoring-Wholeness-Life/dp/B0006PA9N2
  • FH said "hard to avoid thinking that cosmos is a biological thing", but some people can not stand the thought that universe is purposeful and alive
  • 33m20s
  • JB: so the science is reacting against religion? because "purpose" can only come from religion?
  • RP: yes, the idea is from TC noosphere, but environmentalists replaced TC/VV ideas with the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis
  • 35m00s
  • Gaia theory vs VV noosphere is like homeostasis vs creation
  • it is just another manifestation of randomness idea: species come and go, no big deal
  • but if VV is right, it takes 4B years of directed evolution to produce a species
  • so if you destroy a species you have deleted 4B years of this process
  • 36m30s
  • JB: Gaia theory says earth is a an organism?
  • RP: Gaia people say that earth organism is a self-repairing system, they do not see it as a growing evolving purposeful organism, which is driven in a specific direction by a specific energy
  • VV ideas were extensions of HLC, VV shown that large brain had to evolve as reflection of purpose
  • 38m30s
  • another example of self-order on different scale
  • NAK in 1950 study of energy of stars, shows that order tends to appear in system receiving energy
  • so the universe is not like wound up clock running down via entropy increase
  • instead, there is an entropy decrease, via self-order
  • time only seems to move in one direction, by people who like entropy increase think that time is not real
  • NAK said that time has real physical asymmetry, so mere passage of time creates more energy and order
  • based on time theory, NAK predicted in 1950s Jupiter having internal heat source, Moon having volcanic activity with specific periods, etc
  • so Earth volcanic energy need to reflect NAK "time energy"

####43m40s C1: Brain vs Mind

####46m00s RP: Brain vs Mind

  • RP personal history is source of these ideas
  • before RP discovered t3/t4 importance, RP was a hyper-metabolic, 10K cal/day
  • RP had electric field around his body, could affect from 2 ft a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltmeter
  • RP was annoyed by the filed - could not work in the lab :-)
  • all of this field stopped for RP on the right amount of t3/t4
  • but RP noticed that oxidative metabolism created immense potential field around the body
  • this experience made RP respect the importance of bio electric fields and field ideas in general
  • 48m00s
  • example: field concept of cancer: there is bio electric field present in cancerous conditions
  • example: field is driving the development of embryo from a single cell
  • C1: how about RS ideas that memory can be shared inside the species?
  • RP: yes, similar to VV idea that "things can be ready to be discovered in science"
  • 49m50s
  • C1: how about "scientific taboo" of inheritance of acquired characteristics?
  • RP: it is definitely a fact! :-) JBL and CD knew it
  • C1: how about PK work?
  • RP: yes, his work was real, but could not be tolerated in 1930s
  • why not? - best book http://www.amazon.com/cold-war-biology-Carl-Lindegren/dp/B0006BOXOM

####51m30s RP: Genetic Determinism

  • C1: genetic determinism is a propaganda for what?
  • RP: this is an area of my interest of 50 years
  • the motivation for genetic determinism ideas in 1910...20 was to stop immigration
  • example: racist iq tests to exclude immigration
  • 53m50s
  • example: RP sent letter to genetics magazine criticizing idea that iq being genetic, got pages of anonymous referee denial publication supported by references to nazi genetic hygiene institute
  • RP discovered that KL was the architect of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_hygiene
  • but KL based his logic on american iq tests :-)
  • 55m50s
  • C1: the ideology is still the same, they just not use the term? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
  • RP: in 1970s I was in a lecture with my professors nodding happily to GS presenting KL ideas about the genocide as proper understanding of genetics of the brain, and every cultural feature being genetically determined :-)
  • 57m15s
  • C1: how about the indian caste system? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste_system_in_India
  • RP: driving force of the caste system is 3000 year old enslavement of dark by white in india
  • 59m00s
  • JB: so caste system and genetics is to justify? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_of_the_fittest
  • RP: no, "Survival_of_the_fittest" idea means: who has the power claims themselves to be the fittest, and hence creates isolated degenerate ruling class :-)
  • 1h00m10s
  • C1: so, ruling class ideology in the US is misappropriations of CD and AS? and N-D? and self-interest?
  • RP: if you point out to people 1000 hidden assumptions or 1000 facts which contradict their point of view, they will remove you from the discussion very soon
  • RP: not only CD, AS are distorted; I had a habit of reading text books in many fields for years, 99% of them are ideological distortions, to filter out any threat to existing systems.
  • education became but indoctrination in these distortions
  • good people will get distorted; if they are too good - they are left out completely

####1h04m35s RP: Dogma in Science

  • C1: CD vs ARW? intelligence directing the evolution?
  • C1: science is a reaction against religion?
  • RP: science got one little success and then had to give in to backward cultural forces
  • "backward cultural forces" used to be associated with religion
  • now they are associated with mainstream ideology
  • they work by eliminating any complex ideas and by reducing all things to few simple principles
  • example: idea of random variation as the only permitted way of genetic evolution
  • 1h07m35s
  • C1: N-D postulate evolution = random chance + selection + infinite time
  • RP: instead, VV shows that species will quickly arise to the maximum available energy level :-)
  • evolution is very fast and directional, not random
  • 1h09m15s
  • C1: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
  • RP: many different physical principles can help understand how this directional evolution works
  • example: MP showed that surfaces project a field in the environment (absorption isotherm / long-range order idea)
  • example: RP professor posted electron microscope picture of a crystal projecting its own field through a gap forcing formation of ordered deposit at a distance
  • 1h12m30s
  • C1: so there is some kind of consciousness inherent in matter?
  • RP: yes. idea that explains MP, elaborated by AR, you can project ordering field on a long range
  • 1h14m15s
  • C1: heart cells communicate?
  • RP: yes, in 1930 AG demonstrated biophoton
  • 1h15m15s
  • C1: missing piece to explain cell communication?
  • RP: lack of imagination of researchers, they do not measure simple relevant physical processes
  • C1: what about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetoception
  • RP: yes, 15% people have it

####1h17m20s RP: Evidence

####1h24m00s JB: Finish

  • bye

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