Change: Reduce Toxin GLA Stinger Gamma ground damage bonus from 100% to 50% and air damage bonus from 66% to 50%

[xezon]

Reference:

• GLA Toxin General is very strong #806

This change reduces Toxin GLA Stinger Gamma bonuses to be consistent with the intended bonus from the tool tip.

CONTROLBAR:ToolTipGLAUpgradeAnthraxGamma
US: "+50% damage bonus to all toxin units"

Stats

Weapon	Damage	Bonus over Anthrax Beta	Bonux over Toxin
Original StingerMissileWeapon	20
Original StingerMissileWeaponAir	30
Original Chem_StingerMissileWeaponBeta	20		0%
Original Chem_StingerMissileWeaponAirBeta	30		0%
Original Chem_StingerMissileWeaponGamma	40	100%	100%
Original Chem_StingerMissileWeaponAirGamma	50	66%	66%
Patched Chem_StingerMissileWeaponGamma (this)	30	50%	50%
Patched Chem_StingerMissileWeaponAirGamma (this)	45	50%	50%

Rationale

The Toxin Stinger Gamma bonus is very generous. The UI tool tip promises 50% bonus, but the Gamma Stinger weapon gives up to 100% bonus. There is also another +25% damage bonus for the RPG Missile Upgrade. All other GLA factions have no access to such a huge bonus. Toxin General is very capable in bunker games, therefore a reduction in the defense bonuses is justified to give its opponent factions a better chance.

[xezon]

I also updated the CONTROLBAR:ToolTipGLAUpgradeAnthraxGamma tooltip to be more truthful.

[Jundiyy]

I think it should be safe to change.
Although, perhaps because I already know the stats, it feels quite a big nerf to the Stinger Soldiers. 75 might not feel too bad. Both at 66 feels quite less as well.
We can easily add the Stinger Sites separately to the tooltip.

[commy2]

It should be reduced even further.

[xezon]

This is already a significant reduction, especially for the ground weapon. Before going any further, I would like to test this first. With this change I do not expect any player to realistically complain about the damage output of the Toxin Stinger Sites. They will still be significantly better than other GLA Stinger Sites.

[commy2]

"up to 50%" is technically wrong, because Beta Toxin Tractor gun -> Gamma Toxin Tractor gun is +64% :)

[xezon]

Omg

[Jundiyy]

Keep it general, 'increases damage'?
Or increases damage up to 65% (or whatever the highest is).

[commy2]

increases damage

That would be technically wrong too, because it doesn't do anything for Toxin Shells, Bomb Trucks, SCUD Launchers, Demo Traps (and probably more that I forgot).

[xezon]

Not sure what to do. On one hand I see no need to nerf Toxin Tractor, but on the other hand I hate it being above the Tooltip.

[xezon]

I still think the tool tip wording is an improvement to before, because before it sounds like it gives 50% bonus flat, which is utterly misleading.

[commy2]

"Up to +100% damage bonus to some toxin units"

xD

[Jundiyy]

I know this might sound weird but I've surely seen it on a tooltip somewhere. Maybe ZH edited or mod.
Increases damage for:
Stinger Sites by 50%
Toxin Tractor by 64%
Xezon by 100%

[xezon]

This can get out of hand real quick if we start listing every single bonus on tool tips.

[xezon]

Lets just assume the +64% on Toxin Tractor is +50% and we are good.

[commy2]

Lets just assume the +64% on Toxin Tractor is +50% and we are good.

"Increases damage bonus of some toxin units"

[xezon]

Are there Toxin units that get no bonus?

[Jundiyy]

Not for all, just this one. I know it would be an odd one out but we can't start changing all stats just for the sake of the tooltip.

Or maybe, we change a little,

'Increases damage of all Toxin weapons'

And then we give like a 1-3% increase to all the ones taht don't usually get it. For example, Scud Launchers. So they do get an increase but very little.

[commy2]

Are there Toxin units that get no bonus?

Toxin Shells Scorpion
Toxin Shells Marauder
Bio Bomb Bomb Truck
Anthrax Warhead SCUD Launcher
Toxin Demo Trap
Toxin Tractor when using the Sprinkler
Anthrax Bomb

In 1.04, the Terrorist loses damage with Gamma.

[xezon]

How about "Up to +64% damage bonus to some toxin units" ?

[commy2]

I would not name any number, because it ranges from 10% to 64%. Just stay generic with "increase".

Edit:
Also, for Toxin Tractor, it is +64% only at no scrap. With scrap 1 it becomes +63% and with scrap 2 it becomes +42.5%.

[xezon]

Ok fair.

[xezon]

Ok. I will look into the Tractor. This does not sound good.

• Change: Redistribute Toxin Tractor Gamma damage bonus to stay within 50% max #889

[ImTimK]

1.04 Gamma Stinger is indeed a bit OP, +50% damage is more than sufficient. Good change.