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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>This was the detailed interfaces, more colorful but less legible. I would say that the vTaiwan is a kind of existential proof to everybody involved that this is possible, but at the time, the Uber case in particular, I think there’s three notable emissions.</p>
<p>This was the detailed interfaces, more colorful but less legible. I would say that the vTaiwan is a kind of existential proof to everybody involved that this is possible, but at the time, the Uber case in particular, I think there’s three notable omissions.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>First is that we, the civic hackers, did all of this ourselves. We did not actually involve groups. Oops, I think it went to sleep or something.</p>
<p>First is that we, the civic hackers, did all of this ourselves. We did not actually involve... Oops, I think it went to sleep or something.</p>
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<speech by="#Beth Simone Noveck">
<p>Check the input terminal.</p>
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<p>No, that’s fine. It will come back. Here we go. At the time, the civic hacker did everything and did not involve the career public service in the preparation.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>I think that is why it did not actually scale into city level or municipal level, because while everybody see that this is obviously working, the exactly how to make it work is not exactly from the knowledge to the public service especially on the municipal level.</p>
<p>I think that is why it did not actually scale into city level or municipal level, because while everybody see that this is obviously working, the "how to make it work" is not exactly common knowledge to the public service especially on the municipal level.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>The second thing was that when we did this experiment, Uber was only operating in Northern Taiwan in Taipei and Taoyuan and so on, so we did not invite taxi drivers from the Southern Taiwan that will go back to the owners because the legitimacy was simply not there.</p>
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<p>The third thing, finally, is that people keep in this conversation want to broaden the scope to talk about platform economy in general, but not UberX or Airbnb in particular. We should have gone with that and that also came back to haunt us [laughs] because then, we’ll have to do a case by case for each and every cases after that.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>We remedied some of that after I become the Digital Minister. I think, what prevented vTaiwan from getting into all the municipal places was it is very cutting edge, the people who do it did not actually do it with the correct public service intendant.</p>
<p>We remedied some of that after I become the Digital Minister. I think, what prevented vTaiwan from getting into all the municipal places was it is very cutting edge, and the people who do it did not actually do it with the career public service.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>It is seen as a plug in or a Oracle in computer science speak where you can just plug in and it gives you a good resonating consensus, but it is very much a black box from the current public service point of view. They may accept that there is no legal risk in doing this, and also, that it also saves them time and more task.</p>
<p>It is seen as a plug-in or an oracle in computer science speak, where you can just plug in and it gives you a good resonating consensus, but it is very much a black box from the current public service point of view. They may accept that there is no legal risk in doing this, and also, that it also saves them time for most tasks.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>Otherwise, I don’t think it became really popular because the public service at that time, still, they don’t know how to upgrade it independent of those civic hackers.</p>
<p>So I don’t think it became really popular because the public service at that time, still, they don’t know how to upgrade it independent of those civic hackers.</p>
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<speech by="#Beth Simone Noveck">
<p>Does that explain the...I think someone else has said that 20 percent of the deliberation sort of happened on vTaiwan and have not led to decisive government action. Is that because of the lack of public service or just the participation or is the nature of the issue?</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>Not really because there’s only one case that people reached a consensus and that did not get turned into a law. That’s the online liquor sales case. In every other case, the consensus was respected. Sometimes, it did not lead to action because the collective consensus was, we don’t need a law for it or we don’t need new laws for it.</p>
<p>Not really. There’s only one case that people reached a consensus and that did not get turned into a law. That’s the online liquor sales case. In every other case, the consensus was respected. Sometimes, it did not lead to action because the collective consensus was, we don’t need a law for it or we don’t need new laws for it.</p>
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<speech by="#Audrey Tang">
<p>The cyberbullying one, in particular, after various rounds of discussions, people generally think bullying has existing laws to work with it. What we should do is, basically, have a foundational law that treats online behaviors in the same way as offline behaviors.</p>
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