Infographic - "A 1st Glimpse on JoinMarket"

[marcoagner]

Hey!

I'm reading and getting comfortable with the project's code and plan to get my hands dirty soon...

It happens that I showed the project to a like-minded designer friend. She got excited about the project and wanted to create a first infographic about JoinMarket. She also wants to try some logo ideas soon.

Let us know what you think about the infographic and if there's some fixes/improvements so she can apply them.

[CohibAA]

Awesome

[AdamISZ]

Awesome

+1

"glimpse on" --> "glimpse at"

I like the blender :)

[chris-belcher]

This is great! Thanks for doing this.

It's totally awesome. There's only one or two things I'd change.

I wouldn't use the word anonymity, it has a negative feel to it. Instead use the words privacy and confidentiality or "making transactions in confidence".

You could also add a few words about scalability, since coinjoin can be used to combine transactions so that many economy transactions are in one bitcoin on-chain transaction. Probably nobody is using joinmarket like this now because miner fees are cheap so there's no reason to. But there is the script patientsendpayment.py that does this. And one day there could be a patient-tumbler.py.

A maker doesn't necessarily want to earn an income from their coins. A maker just means someone who is willing to wait, they could also be waiting for someone else to start the coinjoin using patientsendpayment.py. I originally thought users wouldn't ever use the words maker and taker but it seems it's caught on and everyone's comfortable with the idea.
Another benefit that maker's get is their bitcoins get mixed up(!) I saw someone offer orders for zero fee, presumably they were doing a very low cost tumble and didn't mind waiting.
When I didn't want to use the names maker/taker I would call people who run yield-generator.py investors or something like that. 'Takers' is replaced by 'people who want privacy now'

cyberguerilla is only one centralized IRC network. One day we'll have the bots connect to many different networks in case one goes down, bans us or something like that.

[tailsjoin]

I love it!

[marcoagner]

Great.
Happy you liked it and thank you for the fixes and improvements proposed.

She (the designer) is going to create a github account today so she can keep the discussion for herself without me as an intermediary. :)

[sofiab1]

Hi! I'm the one who created the graphic.
Thanks everyone for the feedback, I'm glad to help with this project. I'll take another look considering everything you all said and I'll upload the new version when I'm finished.
@chris-belcher, about the cyberguerilla network, I mentioned it because I was afraid that only saying "the pit" would be too vague. Do you (or anyone, of course) have a suggestion about whether I leave just "the pit" or I replace the cyberguerilla part with anything else more appropriate?

[tailsjoin]

Do you (or anyone, of course) have a suggestion about whether I leave just "the pit" or I replace the cyberguerilla part with anything else more appropriate?

For now the statement on the graphic is factually correct, but may change in the future. IMO it should stay how it is until it becomes inaccurate.

[chris-belcher]

"the pit" name comes from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_outcry

I don't know if people find it confusing but "the meeting place on an irc channel" could be used instead?

We've been planning the multi-network irc for a while now, heres the issue #116

[AdamISZ]

"the trading pit" would work (at least, a larger proportion of people would recognize the reference).

[sofiab1]

thanks!! I'll think about these options and I'll make the improvements then!

[ghost]

As a 'maker' what sort of income can you get from investing say 1BTC? How profitable would this be if I want to grow my bitcoin stash?

[JulianTosh]

only a few satoshi, plus free moxing at the moment. as more plugins to
wallets get developed, it may increase, but it will always be a race to
near zero margin.

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[bhec39]

address, not adress.

[eragmus]

Beautiful infographic, @sofiab1.

[jonstern]

Beautiful

[ManfredKarrer]

@sofiab1 @marcoagner Congrats and thanks for supporting important projects! Good design is certainly in shortage in the Bitcoin world and great to get some help from you!

[marcoagner]

Thanks, @ManfredKarrer. I'm glad to support such important project in some way. But all I had to do for now was to present JoinMarket to @sofiab1 and say her design skills would be great around here... It's all her merits with the design work. :)

Btw, I suppose she's posting an updated infographic in a moment from now...

[sofiab1]

Thanks again everybody for the positive comments and critics. I'm posting a new version where I thought about the points and suggestions you made. Any new thoughts (or misspellings that you find XD), please, be welcome to share.

[sofiab1]

And.. I'm just posting the images here so it's easier for everybody to help me improving it. After we have a good version, I can easily provide the .ai (Illustrator file) together with the high resolution version on .png.

I could use suggestions on how I can contribute in a way that the process doesn't depend just on me and anybody with the skills can contribute more easily later... Thanks!

[chris-belcher]

Great work @sofiab1
It all looks good to me. Unless others spot something in the next few days, we could start spreading this around.

[AdamISZ]

@sofiab1 @marcoagner Perhaps post this on reddit r/joinmarket (and maybe r/Bitcoin) now? Maybe things like twitter too?

[chris-belcher]

Congratulations for being the highest thread on /r/bitcoin

[dooglus]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3od0pv/a_1st_glimpse_on_joinmarket_infographic/ is the URL for reference.

I have a small nit to pick:

I personally think it would look better with "First" in the title. Or maybe "1st" is OK if the "1" looked like a digit rather than a capital "i", or was closer to the "st". I misread it as "A I st" and took too long to realise what it was trying to say.

[sofiab1]

@AdamISZ, thanks for the suggestion, it already went to reddit.

@chris-belcher, thanks, I'm glad I opened some space for people to ask more about the project.

@dooglus, I agree with you. The typeface I used has this strange "1" that looks like an "I". I'll take a look at it when I can.

For this and other changes... my computer is kind of dead and I'm not sure how much time will be until I have it up and running. But I can upload the .ai file before I fix it if anyone wants to make changes right now.

[AdamISZ]

@sofiab1 @marcoagner

I'm building a GUI tool and need an icon. I think the blender from the infographic could be good for that. Could I get your permission and/or help to get a *.ico file for that? Thanks.

[sofiab1]

Hi, @AdamISZ. You can use the blender, there's no problem at all.
My quick solution for you here will be uploading the blender in the .ai format. Can you work with that?
blender.ai.zip

[sofiab1]

I'll also upload the whole infographic in the .ai format, in case anyone in the project wants to make changes in it.
JM.ai.zip

[AdamISZ]

@sofiab1 thanks muchly, a bit overwhelmed getting the gui ready now, I will pick this up, it's on the TODO list