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Cultures: Africa #23

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ghost opened this issue Oct 2, 2019 · 13 comments
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Cultures: Africa #23

ghost opened this issue Oct 2, 2019 · 13 comments
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ghost commented Oct 2, 2019

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LordPeter commented Oct 3, 2019 •
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So... guess it's your own fault for bringing Africa to my attention. Here we go:
I'm simply posting an exhaustive list of my suggestions with new groups and their cultures, and include some source pictures as well as explanations afterwards.

Niger-Congo:
-Mande->Mandinka
-Soninke
-Wolof+
-Sosso+->Susu
-Akan#future
-Kru#future
-Fulani#future
-Mende*?#future

Chadic:
-Hausa

Cushitic:
-Beja+
-Somali
-Afar*?

Songhay-Saharan:
-Songhay
-Kanuri
-Zaghawa

Eastern-Sudanic:
-Daju
-Nubian

South Semitic:
-Ethiopian[Amharic]
-Soqotri*
-Tigrayan*?
-Mehri["South Arabic" variant]*?

Legend:
"+" denotes existing Plus culture
"*" denotes suggested new culture
"?" denotes an undecided candidacy
"->" denotes a renaming suggestion
"[ ]" denotes an alternate name for clarification, which need not be changed to
"#future" denotes cultures planned for inclusion after the map transition, when ore parts of West Africa are included

Sources (just the pictures, ofc there are Wikipedia articles as well):
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Afro-Asiatic_languages_-_Karte_der_Afroasiatischen_Sprachen.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/db/Map_of_the_Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages.svg/1342px-Map_of_the_Niger%E2%80%93Congo_languages.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/49/Africa_ethnic_groups_1996.jpg

Explanations:

  • Rename Mandé to Mandinka because "Mandé" is actually a group of cultures that includes Soninke.
  • Rename Sosso to Susu to because while "Sosso" is the name of a related empire, Susu is the English spelling for the language/people. (I think I said that before for old Plus, but since we are editing from scratch we can change the code name as well and not just localisation.)
  • Hausa would be yet another single culture group. Yes, yes, I know. But they are apparently not closely related to anything even today, and don't have any significant subgroups.
  • And I'm not sure about a few comparably smaller cultures, which are denoted with a question mark.

@schwarherz schwarherz added the enhancement New feature or request label Oct 3, 2019
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ghost commented Oct 3, 2019

dokay sounds good. Not sure about Ethiopian though. It is it sensible to have an cultural group like byzantine for that?

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What do you mean with that? How "like Byzantine"?

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ghost commented Oct 3, 2019

A group that is not linguistic but based on cultural similarity. So Ethiopian group to unite these disparate cultures?

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Ah I see. Which ones would that encompass? And idk yet...

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Hmm I found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habesha_peoples
So you are actually right, there is some sort of broader group defined which includes more than just Amhara and linguistically related cultures. However, the main culture(s) grouped together that are not already part of South Semitic would be just "Agaw" which I had not suggested as an addition, as well es even smaller ones. And possibly Beja; but that would then leave Somali pretty exposed, because that one is only included in Habesha in modern time where it is basically used in the sense of "any people living in Ethiopia, the country" and thus has little to do with culture/ethnicity.

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ghost commented Oct 7, 2019

So you want to keep Garamantian?

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Meh, tbh I have no opinion on that. I don't think it should be on the map in history, but we could leave it in for shattered world. Or if someone (Paradox?) ever should happen to make another bookmark.
But then, we could also easily re-add it later.
Yeah I don't mind either way, I'd leave that decision to you.

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ghost commented Oct 7, 2019

I am gonna add Sanhaja instead

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ghost commented Oct 7, 2019

Meh, tbh I have no opinion on that. I don't think it should be on the map in history, but we could leave it in for shattered world. Or if someone (Paradox?) ever should happen to make another bookmark.
But then, we could also easily re-add it later.
Yeah I don't mind either way, I'd leave that decision to you.

I am gonna delete it, I am mad at Kaiser.

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I have no more suggestions here. I'll get to implementing East African eventually.

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LordPeter commented Oct 10, 2019 •
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I'd keep it like this in East Africa (Central and West you did already):

Cushitic:

  • Beja+
  • Somali

Eastern-Sudanic:

  • Daju
  • Nubian

South Semitic:

  • Ethiopian[Amharic]
  • Soqotri*
  • Tigrayan*

Afar and Mehri were dropped. But the groups remain the same.

@schwarherz schwarherz modified the milestones: Initial Release, Initial Functioning Oct 20, 2019
LordPeter added a commit that referenced this issue Oct 26, 2019
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ADD/TWEAK: Added remaining cultures & lots of tweaks
f6f8e3c 
Added all the remaining cultures as per my suggestions. Renamed some groups. Hence towards #20, #21, #22, #23.
Also went through all the culture files and corrected any UTF8->ANSI, enforced coherent indents, legends, naming and so forth.
Corrected some small errors.
- Apart from incomplete/boring namelists and missing dynasties, this should be it for culture additions. Still waiting on @Methaneus for the Abkhazian which I added already, but with placeholder namelist.
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@schwarherz schwarherz modified the milestones: Initial Functioning, Initial Complete Nov 4, 2019
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@daniloy Is this one done?

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