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Cultures: India #20

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ghost opened this issue Oct 1, 2019 · 5 comments
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Cultures: India #20

ghost opened this issue Oct 1, 2019 · 5 comments
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ghost commented Oct 1, 2019

  • Add Bihari

Split off Indo-Aryan into groups.

  1. Western ( Rajput, Punjabi, Gujarati, Sindhi)
  2. Eastern ( Orissa, Assamesse, Bengal, Bihari)
  3. Central ( Hindustani, Marathi, Sinhala)
@ghost ghost changed the title Change Cultural Setup Change Cultural Setup in India Oct 1, 2019
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LordPeter commented Oct 1, 2019

Looking good overall.
I found this as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IndoEuropeanTree.svg
So I would suggest a few changes:

  • Put Nepali into Central (you just forgot it)
  • Put Sinhala into Southern. According to the Wiki, the people arrived in Sri Lanka around 500 BC, so that would mean they are probably not much related to the Central Indians anymore in the Middle Ages (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhalese_people). Also, the picture above puts them in an "Insular Indic" group that is separate from the others.
  • To prevent that new Southern group from being almost empty, I would add Maldivian or "Dhivehi", which is apparently the closest related to Sinhala and actually Indo-Aryan, not Tamil as currently ingame.

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I actually also suggest to edit Dravidian and add a Malaylam culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam), so that all four major groups are represented (together, those 4 would represent 93,1% of modern Dravidians). This page has a pie chart that shows that Malaylam has a significant amount of speakers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dravidian_languages#Distribution

@schwarherz schwarherz added the enhancement New feature or request label Oct 3, 2019
@schwarherz schwarherz added this to the Initial Release milestone Oct 3, 2019
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This is a big one, lol. Turns out the whole "fringes of the Himalaya" area is culturally extremely diverse, especially in the eastern parts where we currently just have the Indo-Aryan "Assam". This becomes quite obvious when looking at this map, which lists how many % of people are native tribes: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d6/2011_Census_Scheduled_Tribes_distribution_map_India_by_state_and_union_territory.svg/930px-2011_Census_Scheduled_Tribes_distribution_map_India_by_state_and_union_territory.svg.png
However, due to the extremely diverse cultures and the currently extremely limited province count in the area, I'd basically postpone integration for most of these cultures until after the map transition. We should implement the new groups for future reference and inclusion in schwarherz's metagroup triggers, but definitely not in history.
Also for Indo-Aryan cultures consider this picture again: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Major_Indo-Aryan_languages.png
As for the multitude of smaller cultures in eastern India: They might seem small, but actually founded several independent kingdoms in the area: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chutiya_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kachari_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahom_kingdom

Central Indo-Aryan

  • Himachali [Western Pahari]

Western Indo-Aryan

  • Dardic (again technically a sub-culture-group linguistically, but too small to bother and closely related, so made into a culture instead)

Tibeto-Burman

Tai

Austroasiatic

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I forgot the legend for that post, but I think it's save to say that these are all for the future. None save the Indo-Aryans maybe can be implemented on the current map.

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Here I'd keep
Central Indo-Aryan

  • Himachali [Western Pahari]

Western Indo-Aryan

  • Dardic (a whole group of cultures so should be represented)

Tibeto-Burman

  • Bodo-Kachari

The other ones are again dropped for now, though they could be revisited at some (much) later point.

@schwarherz schwarherz modified the milestones: Initial Release, Initial Functioning Oct 20, 2019
LordPeter added a commit that referenced this issue Oct 26, 2019
Added all the remaining cultures as per my suggestions. Renamed some groups. Hence towards #20, #21, #22, #23.
Also went through all the culture files and corrected any UTF8->ANSI, enforced coherent indents, legends, naming and so forth.
Corrected some small errors.
- Apart from incomplete/boring namelists and missing dynasties, this should be it for culture additions. Still waiting on @Methaneus for the Abkhazian which I added already, but with placeholder namelist.
@questionmarkexclamationpoint questionmarkexclamationpoint changed the title Change Cultural Setup in India Cultures: India Nov 2, 2019
@schwarherz schwarherz modified the milestones: Initial Functioning, Initial Complete Nov 4, 2019
@schwarherz schwarherz removed this from the Initial Functioning milestone Dec 3, 2019
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