(Can we have a Pet) Parrot?! 😮 #73
Comments
|
I think that has been a moral dilemma for thinking people through the
centuries! Was it fair to domesticate any animal in that case? I don’t
know where the fine line is between it being morally acceptable and not. I
have this dilemma about the cat - she should be an out door cat, that’s her
inheritance, but could she survive traffic, dogs, other cats now?
…On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 08:49, Nelson ***@***.***> wrote:
I've *always* wanted to have a Pet Parrot. ❤️
[image: pet-parrot]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45941521-74e6f600-bfd6-11e8-90c5-cd8293fc6031.png>
https://aeon.co/essays/why-does-keeping-a-bird-in-a-cage-make-people-happy
The question is: is it *fair* to remove a bird from the wild just so we
(humans) can have an animal companion that "talks"?
—
You are receiving this because you are subscribed to this thread.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
<#73>, or mute the thread
<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXf5foJpRkixQRTILYx6uhrp-vbi__Kvks5ueI6mgaJpZM4W2MU7>
.
|
|
The Cat @carolrmc is referring to is
Back to the subject of this issue ... Parrots!Parrots are generally not "breed in captivity"; they are captured from the wild. 😞 I would never buy a Parrot from a "Pet Shop". (it would obviously have been "captured") I should have clarified (above) that: I would either get a Parrot form "rescue" e.g: https://www.fosterparrots.com i.e. I would "buy" someone ExampleThis Amazonian Parrot [Autumnalis] is clearly not flying outside or nesting in a tree! "If you love birds, contact a bird rescue group in your area to learn how you can foster or adopt an abused or neglected bird"https://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/whats-wrong-with-keeping-birds-in-cages/ "MVP"?An "MVP" ("low risk" but effective test) of this idea could be to rescue https://www.olx.pt/anuncio/agapornis-roseicollis-domesticados-muito-meigos-IDC64zO.html#1d4d03987b Lovebirds [Agapornis] is a Aside: Ronaldo appears to be selling "Lovebirds" [Agapornis] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovebird Further Readinghttps://pethelpful.com/birds/The-Ethics-of-Keeping-Pet-Birds-Caged-Birds |
|
I would be careful of having birds in a place you are welcoming paying
guests. Many people have feather fobias - they hate moving wings, or
feathers or birds in general just give them the creeps!
…On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 12:58, Nelson ***@***.***> wrote:
The Cat @carolrmc <https://github.com/carolrmc> is referring to is *Nala*
<nelsonic/nelsonic.github.io#379> 🐈
who was "rescued" from the street where she faced an "*uncertain*"
future. 🤔
I've *often* thought ("wrestled") with the thought:
should we have left Nala to "*fate*" as a "Street Cat"
(
*where she would probably have died but might have survived but would have
to contend with stray dogs, fast-moving cars and an "insecure" food source;
i.e. scavenging scraps and hunting!*)
*OR* does she have a "better life" as a "*domesticated*"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestication> Cat
where she has food, shelter and play [with humans] and no "existential
threat" of any kind. i.e. this is a "*(potential) death vs. imprisonment*"
dilemma.
What would I want for *myself* in her position...?
When we *found* her she was a *defenceless* "newborn" who could barely
open her eyes or walk. She did not *ask* to be "saved" (*although she was
crying quite loudly when we discovered her!*)
Should we have reared her to the age where should could fend for herself,
given her all the vaccinations and then left her where we found her to live
as an "street cat"...?
*OR* would the fact that we fed her and potty-trained her
have meant she would not *survive* on the street...?
Back to the subject of *this* issue ...
*Parrots*!
Parrots are *generally* not "*breed* in captivity"; they are *captured*
from the wild. 😞
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45943811-cf388480-bfdf-11e8-844e-cc83d6300561.png>
https://www.peta.org/issues/animal-companion-issues/animal-companion-factsheets/captured-captive-bred-birds
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45943927-3c4c1a00-bfe0-11e8-80d6-73ca13a050a6.png>
I would *never* buy a Parrot from a "Pet Shop". (*it would obviously have
been "captured"*)
and would *obviously* never even *think* of keeping a Parrot in a *Cage*!
(*that would be the definition of cruelty ...*)
I *should* have *clarified* (*above*) that:
I would either get a Parrot form "rescue" e.g:
https://www.fosterparrots.com
*or* place an advert online with the following:
"*Do you have a Pet Parrot but live in an Apartment...? Want the bird to
be happy? We can help!*"
*i.e.* I would "*buy*" someone else's Pet Parrot and give it a *much*
better life! dwyl/home#14 <dwyl/home#14>
*Example*
This Amazonian Parrot [Autumnalis] is *clearly* not flying outside or
nesting in a *tree*!
https://www.custojusto.pt/aveiro/animais-domesticos/papagaio-amazona-autumnalis-salvini-27027017
[image: parrot-in-apartment]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45947512-715e6980-bfec-11e8-98b9-87cd9bac290a.png>
If I could pay the current *owner* (*captor*) to let me have it I would
give it an *amazing* place to live!
"*If you love birds, contact a bird rescue group in your area to learn
how you can foster or adopt an abused or neglected bird*"
https://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/whats-wrong-with-keeping-birds-in-cages/
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45947459-3b20ea00-bfec-11e8-985a-3f7986fb3632.png>
"MVP"?
An "MVP" (*"low risk" but effective test*) of this idea *could* be to
*rescue*
(*buy*) a *Lovebird* which is currently being kept indoors - or caged -
from a *non-professional owner* and give it a "*new life*" in the "Home"
garden which has *many trees* and plants for it to explore and enjoy!
https://www.olx.pt/anuncio/agapornis-roseicollis-domesticados-muito-meigos-IDC64zO.html#1d4d03987b
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45947695-2002aa00-bfed-11e8-9165-453755b68cb3.png>
Lovebirds [Agapornis] is a *type* of Parrot it just does not *talk* or do
"tricks".
It would be a good "test" of whether we (*me and the other "Home"
residents*)
*like* having a bird and take care of it. Without spending €500+ on a
"real" Parrot.
------------------------------
*Aside*: *Ronaldo* appears to be selling "Lovebirds" [Agapornis]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lovebird
https://www.olx.pt/anuncio/agapornis-roseicolis-longfeather-IDC6ci1.html#839068b7ae
[image: ronaldo-sells-love-birds]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45945104-4bcd6200-bfe4-11e8-9e09-5fa2a014a4f2.png>
Didn't think he *needed* to "*supplement*" his income with caged birds
... 🤔
maybe it's how he's paying his *taxes* ... 🙄
https://www.dw.com/en/cristiano-ronaldo-agrees-to-188-million-tax-evasion-fine-and-jail-term/a-44243316
(*in case you were wondering why he moved from Real Madrid to Juventus
... he was on "two strikes" with the Spanish authorities, and his next
would be Prison! The Italians are a lot more "lenient" when it comes to
income tax "creativity" ...*)
Anyway, these Birds don't *look* "happy" in this photo ... 😞
Further Reading
https://pethelpful.com/birds/The-Ethics-of-Keeping-Pet-Birds-Caged-Birds
[image: image]
<https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/194400/45948046-6c021e80-bfee-11e8-86e1-33ca35c80d8a.png>
—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
<#73 (comment)>, or mute
the thread
<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXf5fvplQJW3hTDQ6YSPi0dEWIwzEgooks5ueMkAgaJpZM4W2MU7>
.
|
|
@carolrmc yes, thanks for reminding us that some people are Ornithophobic ... 🙄 But let's think about this for a second ... are we going to: Yes, we should be "sensitive" to people's fears, (however irrational they may be!) I'm not saying we must have tropical birds. 🐦 |
|
I firmly believe that you can garden to encourage birds to visit and even
nest in your garden, but then you can’t keep a cat! And I do agree there is
no sound quite as relaxing as birdsong. (Also the sound one should pipe
through learning rooms, since it increases brain activity )
…On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 22:16, Nelson ***@***.***> wrote:
@carolrmc <https://github.com/carolrmc> yes, thanks for *reminding* us
that some people are *Ornithophobic* ... 🙄
But let's *think* about this for a second ... are we going to:
*a)* cater to *all* the Phobias
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_phobias and avoid living our lives
😞
*or*
*b)* build an *awesome bird-friendly garden* with *many* feeders, nesting
boxes and water sources
so that the *Ornothologists* can enjoy the space and bird-curious people
can discover/learn. 🎉
Yes, we should be "*sensitive*" to people's fears, (*however irrational
they may be!*)
but if we were catering to *Agoraphobic* or *Aquaphobic* people
we would have *no* windows and no fish pond either! 😕
I'm not saying we *must* have *tropical* birds. 🐦
But I am *100%* going to *encourage* local birds to nest in the garden 🌳
because I find birdsong to be one of the most relaxing sounds in the
world. 🎶 😍
—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
<#73 (comment)>, or mute
the thread
<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXf5flekhPcq7_qNdYRBMBC9z_A8tM0oks5ueUvDgaJpZM4W2MU7>
.
|
|
@carolrmc it's like you're "reading our mind"... 😉 As for "can’t keep a cat" I respectfully refute that claim; all feeders/nests will be high enough and without cat accessible "ladders" to allow birds to nest/feed without risk of a domestic cat "catching" them. This will require additional research and design to ensure we get the correct height. |
|
How will you keep away the pesky pigeons?
…On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 22:29, Nelson ***@***.***> wrote:
@carolrmc <https://github.com/carolrmc> it's like you're "reading our
mind"... 😉
We are going to have built-in/hidden speakers in the learning room which
will be used for both multimedia e.g: Video Conferences or Watching Online
Lectures
*and* piping in calming music (*all controlled within the "home app"*)
As for "can’t keep a cat" I *respectfully* refute that claim; all
feeders/nests will be high enough and without cat accessible "ladders" to
allow birds to nest/feed without risk of a domestic cat "catching" them.
This will require additional *research* and *design* to ensure we get the
correct height. *help wanted*!
—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
<#73 (comment)>, or mute
the thread
<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXf5frGVH24BKXv3wgy6WqzIVY3MrFimks5ueU6ggaJpZM4W2MU7>
.
|
|
There aren't a lot of pigeons in Braga. (thankfully) (if pigeons become a nuisance, we have still have a couple of BB Guns with Bio-Degradeable Pellets ... from when we had a Roof Garden in London, they don't injure/kill the birds, simply scare them off...) |
|
Pigeons tend to chase other birds away, and B.B. guns scare all birds
indiscriminately, they don’t target only pigeons!
…On Mon, 24 Sep 2018 at 22:44, Nelson ***@***.***> wrote:
There aren't a lot of pigeons in Braga. (*thankfully*)
But also, there isn't a *reason* to keep them away unless they are
*genuinely* being a *pest*!
(*if pigeons become a nuisance, we have still have a couple of BB Guns
with Bio-Degradeable Pellets
<https://bbguns4less.co.uk/biodegradable-0-20g-bb-pellets/> ... from when
we had a Roof Garden in London, they don't injure/kill the birds, simply
scare them off...*)
—
You are receiving this because you were mentioned.
Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub
<#73 (comment)>, or mute
the thread
<https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AXf5foiq6_8mgCeF1-neI1IKZ1wTf4eBks5ueVJFgaJpZM4W2MU7>
.
|
|
@carolrmc are you suggesting that I don't have "good aim"...? |
I've always wanted to have a Pet Parrot. ❤️
https://aeon.co/essays/why-does-keeping-a-bird-in-a-cage-make-people-happy
The question is: is it fair to remove a bird from the wild just so we (humans) can have an animal companion that "talks"?
The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: