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Changes to 'developmental process' #22994
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Proposed changes:
Review children of developmental process:
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@pgaudet |
Perhaps we would keep developmental process, IS_A children include |
Discussion with @thomaspd and @raymond91125
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New term proposal |
Sound good. Could we simplify the labels: Thanks, Pascale |
I just noticed that there is already a term multicellular organism development with LD 'anatomical structure development' |
I think the animal and plant terms can be placed under multicellular organism development and revise the definition accordingly. One concern is that there maybe developmental processes that are beyond clearly identifiable anatomical structures, e.g. gender identity, gender euphoria. GO currently does not cover these psychological processes. |
Suggestion on the ontology call by @cmungall ---- NTR animal gross anatomical part developmental process LD for animal term -> there is no uberon term suitable yet - 'gross anatomical part ' under discussion LD for plant term: need to coordinate with PO to create a suitable grouping class |
Following on on yesterday's call - if you create the new terms 'animal gross anatomical part developmental process' and 'plant gross anatomical part developmental process', then these terms could be used as the general for the logical definitions, that would generate correct classification. Is that also what you had in mind? Thanks, Pascale |
I was thinking using something like developmental process as the genus and animal anatomical parts as the differentia. e.g. 'developmental process' |
Anatomical structure development we have as it is an ok term for Dicty. Plus in Dicty the development is not cellular but multicellular. I do not agree with the planned changes |
We could have a term about Dictyosteliida multicellular anatomical part developmental process. We should discuss to decide on the level of phylogeny and term name. The goal is to make groupings that are more likely to have internal conservation. Would that work @pfey03? |
@raymond91125 and @pgaudet I don't know why we always must have these complicated names when developmental process simply would do for us and anatomical structure development as well. It is always annoying for us. multicellular anatomical part developmental process is a stupid sounding term, just repetitive and I don't like it. |
@raymond91125 Perhaps the best (simplest) solution for now is to keep the dicty terms under 'developmental process', we'll figure out later if we need another grouping term for these. What do you think? |
I dont see the issue - this can be kept as-is for now, and you can still create the distinction between plant and animal development, right ? |
Yes, I think so. We are not obsoleting any exiting but create new grouping terms. |
Dicty is neither plant nor animal, though because it's from the base in phylogeny where plants and animals divide, it has many (about 30% mammalian ortholgs but no plant orthologs, and of cause general orthologs from yeast to up, and then purely amoeba genes. We even have several disease genes like Huntington, or presenilin A and B genes involved in Alzheimer, several genes involved in mitochondrial diseases and many more. |
Propose to add two new terms as below. Please comment. +[Term] |
I wonder, can we be more specific than "from an initial condition to a later condition" ? This is not what is described in the wikipedia page you cite. Can we have something that mentions that it starts with a zygote and ends with a fully formed/mature organism? @ukemi is that too restrictive? Thanks, Pascale |
Or maybe to cover specific organ development processes (for example), that start later than at the zygote stage, we could have something that indicates an immature stage to a mature stage? |
I thought the goal is to focus on developmental processes of gross anatomical parts: such as the heart, the limb, or the nervous system, defined by Uberon for animals; we are not modelling development as temporal progressions of life cycles per se. |
But your definition states "progression over time" - I guess this is what I would like to see clarified. We need to be very clear about what these grouping terms are to make sue they only cover the terms we want. Maybe "Any developmental process whose specific outcome is the progression of a gross anatomical part of an animal from an initial immature state, to a later, more mature state" ... along these lines? Thanks, Pascale |
The definition I proposed is following the definition we have for the parent term GO:0032502 developmental process. Perhaps the reference can be better but I haven't found one. |
Ontology editor meeting 2023-07-31:
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What about Dicty? It has cell differentiation when it fruits and is a really multicellular organism then. It also has this epithelium like organization GO term as it has alpha and beta catenins. Dicty is always different and the development is not strictly a cellular process there is a lot more to it. |
How about a social amoeba gross anatomical part developmental process? Is there an anatomy term that we can use for LD? |
We have many anatomy terms that represent the complexity. Just a selection here: https://github.com/dictyBase/migration-data/blob/master/ontologies/dicty_anatomy.obo |
Is DDANAT_0010082 whole organism the proper grouping term equivalent to gross anatomical part in animals or plants? The goal is to have a grouping term for all multicellular body parts and to use it in the logical definition so that each specific body part development can be automatically inferred to be a subclass of gross anatomical part development. |
Gross anatomical part is about multicellular structures thus a cell is not a gross anatomical part. I have not checked the others. |
I know, it was just a selection |
+[Term] |
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Hello,
For the BP refactoring, we want to untangle multi-cellular organism processes from cellular processes.
For the 'developmental process' branch, we propose to move 'cellular developmental process' under 'cellular process' and rename 'developmental process' -> 'multi-cellular organism developmental process'
@thomaspd
Thanks, Pascale
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