Shape of U+0472/U+0473 wrong

[AleCes]

Hi
U+0472/U+0473 CYRILLIC LETTER FITA look like U+04E8/U+04E9 CYRILLIC LETTER BARRED O. If you tell me how to insert a pdf here I'll show you the correct glyph.
Regards

[georgd]

Hi,
I have no idea how to add a pdf to an issue. But you can send me the pdf by mail. If you agree I can also make it available on my webspace (for documentation purpose) and add a link here.
I wasn’t sure about the appropriate shape of fita in an oldstyle font. Some show a wavy bar, some a straight one, others show a bar that doesn’t touch the circle in uc fita (and old church slavonic script fita has a bar that’s broader than the circle, but that’s a completely different style). So I decided for the present one and wait for comments :)
Georg

[AleCes]

Hi
Implement the wavy bar, that's the correct shape. Do you still want some samples?
Regards

[georgd]

Thank you, I think I don’t need a sample (although I’d like to know on which fonts they’d be based)

[AleCes]

You mean from which font to take the shape? For instance, Times New Roman, or Tinos, the font bundled with ChromeOS (freely downloadable).

[georgd]

No, I meant which fonts do you mention as reference. There are only few fonts in the style of french renaissance with cyrillic glyphs, so direct style equivalent references are rare. Times is more baroque in style.

[AleCes]

The problem is that Cyrillic typography never experienced a "Renaissance" flavor, in the 18th century first Russia then other Balkan nations switched from the uncial script still used for Church Slavonic to neoclassical types. Not even baroque, in fact, Cyrillic typography was stuck till the beginning of 18th century with the equivalent of Latin Blackletters, that is they were still in the Middle Age.

[georgd]

I’m quite familiar with the history of cyrillic script. But type designers have nevertheless often tried to match the design of the cyrillic glyphs with the latin ones.

[AleCes]

Well, have a look at Adobe Garamond Pro, that's a $ font, but they use "triangular" CYRILLIC DE and EL, I don't know it that style suits you.

[georgd]

In fact, it’s Garamond Premier Pro (Adobe Garamond Pro doesn’t have non latin script), and EB Garamond has triangualar Д, Л, Љ, д, л, љ accessible via StyleSet=1 (ss01).

[AleCes]

OK, that's your area of expertise, I just don't use $ fonts anymore, above all because Adobe & co. just don't friggin' care what users want or say. You just have to pray for their next version will somehow fix the bug or implement the issue you wish.
Anyhow, I don't think Garamond, even in its premier version does include archaic letters (FITA is not used in any Cyrillic-based language anymore). But Palatino Linotype should have it.
Last thing, I know this is off topic, if you wish so, I'll open a new thread about this: why have you chosen a "more modern" shape for CYRILLIC DE, EL LJE? Since this is a Renaissance font, shouldn't it look similar to Garamond Premier Pro and Palatino Linotype rather than to say, Times New Roman? Indeed Garamond and Palatino implement a triangular shape for CYRILLIC DE, EL and LJE.

[georgd]

I don’t use Adobe fonts, I just look at them if I’m not sure about letter forms for which there is no model in specimina I use. Garamond Premier Pro in fact has fita but with a straight non wavy bar. As for the shape of de, el and lje, I was informed by the designers from Cyreal, that the triangular form put a strong accent on looking ancient (at least for russian eyes) so I changed default and alternate forms. As I said for sha, I want the less marked forms as default, therefore I agreed to have the modern form as default.

[AleCes]

I repeat it, the straight bar is not really a problem if you don't plan including U+04E8/U+04E9 CYRILLIC LETTER BARRED O, but it's still a bad glyph, as for me.
How can I send you a mail? I'll show you my preferred glyph (based on Palatino Linotype) and what Unicode suggests. The first is a wavy, the second is a broken bar, but still no flat bar, flat bar should be reserved for U+04E8/U+04E9.

[georgd]

G.duffner@gmail.com
Am 07.11.2011 12:37 schrieb "AleCes" <
reply@reply.github.com>:

I repeat it, the straight bar is not really a problem if you don't plan
including U+04E8/U+04E9 CYRILLIC LETTER BARRED O, but it's still a bad
glyph, as for me.
How can I send you a mail? I'll show you my preferred glyph (based on
Palatino Linotype) and what Unicode suggests. The first is a wavy, the
second is a broken bar, but still no flat bar, flat bar should be reserved
for U+04E8/U+04E9.

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[georgd]

I think, I can close this issue. Fita has a wavy bar.