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UX Sidebar Changes/Improvements #681
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I really like the current sidebar approach (maybe a config option would be a nice addition to set the width/size of the sidebar) for sessions, but would love to see tabs for terminals within the session. Use case: I often use multiple tabs in the same session and switching from one to another using fullscreen -- now this requires me to C-A-x, switch then C-A-x again and I do not even see what other terminals are running in the same session if I'm using one of those fullscreen. The tabs would improve
Besides this, it would be great if C-A-Tab worked when using a terminal fullscreen, but that's another story :) I know this is a special use case, but using sessions as grouping terminals works very well for me. Oh, and most importanty: thanks for terminix, it's a very great tool! |
@daroczig thanks for the feedback! Just to be clear so we are on the same page, from my perspective sessions are tabs, under the hood it's actually implemented as a GtkNotebook, I just don't show the tabs preferring to use the sidebar as the navigation mechanism instead. I don't have any plans to introduce a level of tabs below that, I think it would just be overly complex and ugly. Having said that, I guess from a visual point of view you could argue the tabs would replace the current terminal titlebar so maybe it would not be to bad with some styling but still no plans to go there. |
I like the first screenshot, but the letter indicator isn't very helpful and kind of ugly. Color coding could be a better way to differentiate. That said, end of the day all I really care about is being able to switch sessions with a single mouse click. Which means having something to click on-screen at all times. |
I'll just throw an idea, haven't really thought about pros and cons, it just occurred to me. I'm thinking an "overview grid". It could look similar to GNOME Boxes, with VMs replaced by Terminix sessions. More session previews would fit the space. It could be a stack page, like Boxes, or it could still be an overlay, just like the sidebar, only occupying all the window width. I think when we want to switch to another session our attention is not in the currently visible terminals anyway, so "covering" them would be no problem. |
@dsboger I think you've described Option 4, have a look at the video I linked to and see what you think. |
imo option 4 is pointless as it provides very little additional value over what it currently does. I'd want this feature to enhance accessbility. |
@dsboger The point of this tabbing is to have always a representation of the open instances plus you can switch with a single click. What Ubuntu terminal did with the overview, since I tried it, while it was looking good, in practice wasn't such good. And for FWIW they reverted it. Ubuntu Terminal now has typical tabs. In fact it had the same problem that Terminix has now. Yes the icons aren't much informative, but a letter indicator at least for those who are used to edit the session name (and it isn't always "Default") it could help. In a more crazy approach, Terminix instead naming each session "Default" it could give random names from a dictionary for each new session! Just to make things more playful :) |
Or it could just number them incrementally. Instead of a letter, show a number. |
What I am strictly against is the idea of having both the sidebar and tabs, that has come up here a few times. That's seriously too much hierarchy (multiple windows -> multiple sessions -> multiple tabs -> multiple terminals). Also for what it's worth the sidebar as opposed to having traditional tabs on the top is one of the reasons I love Terminix. Tabs for me take away too much vertical screen (something I consider very important for terminal output) and are too present in general. However I see the usability issues of the current approach for mouse use. From the ideas above I find the permanent, but small, sidebar the most interesting, and I like the floating preview idea @marciosr suggested. I could like that, but still can see the need to have an option to completely hide the sidebar, especially on smaller laptop screens. |
@phw The sidebar with preview is what I am leaning towards myself, it would have the option to either be permanent or slide out as it does now. |
I agree with you @phw there is no need to have both (side bar and tabs). |
I convinced a client of mine to go over to Terminix instead of Terminator (because it got very crashy recently). The feedback from their users were that they missed being able to see which tabs (or sessions) were open. I told them that they can press F12 and then the number of the terminal to switch, which helps a lot. But ultimately option #3 that you mentioned above would fix that quite well. It would be really nice if someone could implement it, unfortunately I don't have the right skillset for that either. |
@highvoltage I'll be working on this after the next release in a week or two. |
@gnunn1, thanks for making Terminix, it's the only terminal that truly feels at home in GNOME 3. I've been using Terminix for a while now, and to be honest I've never once used the sidebar. I have opened it a few times, mostly out of boredom, and created a second workspace, but when prompted for a name I clicked Cancel and closed it again, because I didn't want to think about what to name it. I use tiling extensively, though usually not with more than 1 or 2 splits, and usually have 3-5 different terminal windows across different workspaces. It just occurred to me that on a high level, there is little difference between having different Terminix windows and using GNOME's overview and the current sidebar (except for names perhaps?). Personally, I can't imagine a use case where tiling + GNOME's overview are not enough to comfortably switch between even a large number of terminals, so perhaps the sidebar could be removed entirely in favour of a shell-based workflow? Just my two cents :) |
Another vote for #3, I'd suggest a small icon like a padlock to toggle the sidebar between persistent and auto-hide. Also, this could allow dragging a terminal from the active session to any other session by dropping it on any of the sidebar's session thumbnails which IMHO would be a neat ad-hoc way to re-organize sessions on the fly. Further if dropping the terminal in an empty section of the sidebar, that could create a new session. Sessions that loose all terminals this way would disappear. That would boost session usability by a lot - methinks |
i made that for fun and not for sharing it here, but it demos an animation, when we expand the sidebar, and the tabs icons dont fit anymore, so it should be a scrollbar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2KlT21uO_M in my opinion animation is wrong, there shouldn't be any, except if it something really great, but i was just exploring the visuals :/ |
Hi everyone, I am using Tilix for a month or so and I really enjoy it as it is. It provides me everything I need and missed from Gnome Terminal (background transparency is a feature in my workflow !!) or Terminator. |
#3 is pretty perfect; having sessions one click / shortcut away is kinda important; live thumbnails not so much. Just an overview (list) of what exist, and have it one click away. Making some sense what is behind which icon can be left to the user, ie as simple as picking a background color for any particular icon. |
Hi, |
From all the above options the 3rd one is most suitable for my work-flow, but i like to point out another option, as I do most of my work in the terminal and not using the mouse at all, i prefer a quick keyboard session switching, so the 3rd option with hotkey's looks nice, or having something like gnome3 which you can session-switch just like alt-tab with application and have clear preview. |
@rabin-io There are already keyboard shortcuts to switch sessions, and I am sure those will stay regardless of the UI solution above :) But an alt-tab session switcher might be nice, yes |
@gnunn1 is this something you're working on? It would make Tilix perfect for me :) I'm using it now daily but having to go through the dropdown every time is starting to get really frustrating. |
Not actively, I'm still trying to work out how to do it technically for the best results. If it's a showstopper for you I'd recommend looking at a terminal that better fits your workflow as I'm not sure when I'll get to it. Sorry about that. |
No problem, appreciate the honesty :) |
I see the sidebar as I see the workspace bar in gnome-shell on the right. I don't need to actually always see it that much, and 95% of the time I switch between sessions with Ctrl + PageUp/PageDown directly as it's way faster than using my mouse and check the small thumbnails there. IMHO, all proposed solutions do not offer much compared to the cost they would imply, and maybe it's just good enough, and more of a personal style issue. I've got a question though: do you have any idea of what is the average number of sessions users keep in their sidebar? That could shape a different solution. I personally use Tilix literally every single day, but never have more than 10 sessions, so that may explain why I like switching with the keyboard. |
Do people really find those small session thumbnails useful to find the right session? I imagine is the case, but as someone that use many tabs/session to connect to several servers at once, they are not useful at all. it is not possible to read what they say, so I suppose for people that use them it becomes a matter of visual memory. In any case, thumbnails for texts consoles, doesn't sound as the best method. |
@guillefar personally i found them more useful on switching than GNOME Terminal tabs, but however i still like the small tabs representation of tabs ..which looks like Firefox, but however FF uses site logos on tabs, so Tilix should somehow do the same on a vertical bar an idea is to use random badges from a lib/theme (with about 30 different badges) every time you open a new tab, and that would help in spatial memory, plus it will make it more playful! additionally you can set a different badge if you want to i doubt this is a correct approach for Tilix, but im just saying, because i have done this in a terminal im working on (super slow!) where i have used anime characters but if vertical tabs, tabs should somehow be clear one of the other, since you cannot have a title on them to help! |
I would love to see standard tabs implemented. The actual sidebar and session switching implementations are what keeps me away from finally switching from Terminator since Im finding it extremely hard to get used to it, specially having been a heavy tab user most of my Linux life. I get that tabs take vertical space wich is relatively limited in todays 16:9 screens but i dont think that a tab bar should eat more than two text lines so it doesnt seem like a big deal. In any case, I appreciate the will to revisit the UX paradigm of Tilix. |
I've been stuck for quite awhile on this issue in terms of having a bit of analysis paralysis. Every mechanism I think of as an alternative to tabs just feels like a way to avoid them. So I think I'm going to just bite the bullet and make tabs an option so people can choose to either use the sidebar or use tabs. I've on a weeks vacation at the moment and am looking to implement a good chunk of this during this time. Note that switching between tabs and sidebar would require a restart of the application. I'm also thinking of dropping the session switcher (sorry @alexwhitman) as I don't get the impression are really using it and lighten a bit of my UI maintenance. Thoughts? |
No problem, turns out I don't use it myself as much as I thought I would. 👍 for tabs. |
Totally agree switching to tabs, will not miss sessions at all. |
@guillefar Just to be clear, I'm not switching to tabs just enabling them as an option. The session sidebar will remain as the default option. |
Also note I expect the git version to be somewhat unstable this week as I work through this and a few other changes. |
Closing, opened new issue dedicated to tabs. |
Well it's been just over a year since I released the first version of Terminix and I think it would be good to review the current UX and consider what, if any, improvements can be made to the main application window. In particular, I'd like to look at alternatives to the current sidebar implementation.
While I personally like the sidebar, I realize it's not everybody's cup of tea and I think re-visiting the topic periodically and getting input from the community is important. I'll be clear though that I'm not committing to making any changes, but if someone comes with an awesome idea or there is strong consensus around an idea I'll certainly consider it.
As per the discussion from #114, supporting any sort of optional UI (i.e. sidebar with tabs as optional) is a no-go for me. It's just way too much effort to support and maintain multiple UI paradigms.
So with that out of the way, let's look at some of the options.
1. Status Quo
This option represents no change and everything stays as it is. Here's the pros and cons of the current UI as I see it:
Pro:
Con:
2. Tabs
This option is to use the standard tab control instead of the sidebar, I'm really not a fan of this option but it would be a disservice not to include it since it is an obvious one.
Pro:
Con:
3. Persistent sidebar
There have been some requests to make the sidebar permanently visisble. Unfortunately it is not technically possible, at least with my skill set, to make this option. This option is an alternative which is technically feasible.
In this option, the sidebar becomes an always visible icon strip on the left or right where each icon represents a session. The icons in the strip would be custom drawn to reflect the layout of the session. For example, if you have a session with two terminals side by side, the icon would be drawn with a line down the middle.
From here there are two sub-options. One option, which I'm more in favor of, is that holding the mouse over the icon would give you a thumbnail preview of the session in a potentially larger size then it is now along with session name, essentially a very large tooltip. The other option, shown below, is to have a hamburger style button in the icon strip that pops out the existing sidebar.
Here's a rough mockup that @alex285 put together. Ignore the letters next to each icon, there was an idea to show the first letter of each session as a sort of hot key switch but I don't think it is very viable.
Pro:
Con:
4. Ubuntu Style Previews
In the new Ubuntu Unity 8 terminal, they have a floating button towards the top right that triggers an overview screen. This is similar to the sidebar but occupies all of the client space. You can see an example of it in the video at the link below:
https://youtu.be/4VTixUcDcYI?t=303
Pro:
Con:
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