proposal: spec: treat s[-1] as equivalent to s[len(s)-1]

[josharian]

Overview

This is a backwards-compatible language change proposal. It will not be as thorough as it could be, since I do not think it should be adopted. I am writing it up merely for future reference.

I propose to treat negative constant literals in slicing and indexing expressions as offsets from the end of the slice or array. For example:

• s[-1] is equivalent to s[len(s)-1]
• s[:-1] is equivalent to s[:len(s)-1]
• s[:-2:-1] is equivalent to s[:len(s)-2:len(s)-1]

The motivation is to improve readability. Slice and index expressions like this occur commonly when treating slices as stacks.

Consider this code from the compiler:

func (f *Func) newPoset() *poset {
	if len(f.Cache.scrPoset) > 0 {
		po := f.Cache.scrPoset[len(f.Cache.scrPoset)-1]
		f.Cache.scrPoset = f.Cache.scrPoset[:len(f.Cache.scrPoset)-1]
		return po
	}
	return newPoset()
}

Using the proposed syntactic sugar, it would read:

func (f *Func) newPoset() *poset {
	if len(f.Cache.scrPoset) > 0 {
		po := f.Cache.scrPoset[-1]
		f.Cache.scrPoset = f.Cache.scrPoset[:-1]
		return po
	}
	return newPoset()
}

Scope

The proposed sugar would only apply to negative constant literals.

var b [10]byte
var v int = -1

const c = -1

var (
	_ = b[v]  // unchanged: results in runtime panic
	_ = b[c]  // unchanged: results in compile time error: index bounds out of range
	_ = b[-1] // new: evaluates to b[len(b)-1]
)

The rationale for b[v] to panic at runtime is that negative indices often arise due to overflow and programmer error.

The same rationale discourages allowing constant expressions such as b[c] as syntactic sugar. Constant expressions can be complex, non-local, and build-tag controlled.

However, a constant literal displays clear, obvious, local intent, and overflow-free, and affords little room for programmer error.

Order of evaluation and side-effects

Currently, the slice/array is evaluated before any index or slice indices. See https://play.golang.org/p/kTr9Az5HoDj.

This allows a natural order of evaluation for the proposal. Given expr[-1] or expr[:-1], expr is evaluated exactly once, and its length is used in subsequent len(expr)-c calculations.

Data

A quick-and-dirty AST parsing program examining slice expressions suggests that such expressions occur, but not with particularly high frequency.

Running over GOROOT yields that 2.51% of slice expressions could be rewritten to use this syntactic sugar. Running over my GOPATH yields 3.17%. Searching for candidate index expressions yields 0.35% and 0.91% respectively.

This is an underestimate. In many cases, for clarity, the code will already have been rewritten like:

n := len(s)-1
x = s[n]
s = s[:n]

And all index expressions were considered candidates for this analysis, which includes map accesses and assignments.

Nevertheless, this analysis suggests that this sugar is unlikely to be transformative in how Go code is written, and therefore probably does not pull its weight.

[mvdan]

Similar proposal in the past: #20176

[ianlancetaylor]

Also #11245, but this variant is, on the one hand, better because because it doesn't accept variables, but, on the other hand, worse because why should we only accept constants?

[josharian]

@mvdan yes, this proposal was follow-up to a suggestion mooted during the conversation in #20176. I should have noted that.

@ianlancetaylor indeed. The best argument I see for the discrepancy is one of practicality: variables (and constant expressions) and constant literals should be treated differently because doing so affords increased readability without increasing the probability of silent bugs. But I agree that that isn’t a particularly compelling argument, given the small proportion of code that matches the pattern.

[cznic]

How does adding an exception to an expression (-1 in some cases is to be read as len(foo)-1) improve readability? Please explain, for me it's quite the opposite.

[josharian]

@gopherbot please close this issue in 48 hours.

(That obviously doesn’t work. But I wish it did. I’ll be the bot.)

[josharian]

@cznic the same way all syntactic sugar does: By providing a mental shortcut for common uses. Instead of having to parse out everything and confirm equivalence of the inner/outer expressions, I see [-1] and think “final element”.

[as]

That would be more natural if the indices of the slice s were treated as elements in a ring of order len(s).

[DeedleFake]

I don't think is usually that much of a big deal usually, but I've wanted this feature sometimes for cases where I'm indexing into a slice that isn't bound to a variable. For example, given func Example() []string, I've occasionally wanted to do something like Example()[:-1] for various reasons. Similarly, if the slice has a really long identifier for some reason, it definitely improves readability if using the name twice on the same line would make it annoyingly long. Of course, in either of these cases you could probably just stick it in a variable most of the time, but there are occasionally instances where that's kind of annoying.

Not the best examples, perhaps, but I think that it could be useful in these cases.

[josharian]

I'd like to re-open this. I wrote it six years ago(!) only to dismiss it. But over the years, talking to gophers, this comes up over and over as a common ergonomics complaint, like min and max (which I'm thrilled to have).

I propose the narrowest possible addition: special handling for the literal -1 in indexing and slicing. This gets the vast majority of the value, while leaving lots of options for future expansion (to other negative literals, to constant expressions).

[jimmyfrasche]

Now that there's a slices package we could have something like slices.At(s, -1) which is a bit longer but has the benefit of not requiring a language change and being easier to spot

[josharian]

Or slices.Last(s). But then you also want slices.Pop(s) for the indexing. But should that do cap as well or just length? Should it return the final element as well as reslicing it? The space of useful operations is quite large here, which is why having access to raw indexing/slicing operators is valuable; they provide readable, orthogonal ways to express all of them.

[josharian]

Lots of relevant discussion at #53510 (thanks to @dsnet for pointing this out).

[dsnet]

To summarize some of my concerns with slices.Last:

• It introduces an inconsistency where the first element is obtained with s[0], while the last is obtained with slices.Last(s).
• It's unclear how to handle mutability. If slices.Last returns just E, then this is more natural to operate with, but if it returns *E, then you can mutate the element by storing into the pointer, but always handling a pointer can be fairly unnatural.

I support a language change that allows indexing with negative literals. Restricting it to just literals avoid any possibility of arithmetic bugs since there's no arithmetic involved. The presence of s[-1] is clear user intent to get the last element.

[dsnet]

Copying over some of my usage analytics from #53510:

Frequency of constant slice indexes relative to start or end:

Index	Occurrences	Percentage
0	4953854	41.684%
1	2192516	18.449%
2	1135707	9.556%
3	1370480	11.532%
4	521199	4.386%
other	1391696	11.710%
-5	196	0.002%
-4	443	0.004%
-3	1682	0.014%
-2	10336	0.087%
-1	306168	2.576%

Even though obtaining the last element is an order-of-magnitude less frequent than getting the first element, there are still ~300k occurences.

Also, getting the last element is still 1/4 as common as arbitrary indexing expressions.

[atdiar]

I'm a bit on the fence on this.
It makes sense to me especially if we consider the wrapping behavior of uints.
But people are probably used to seeing len(s) - 1 anyway.

My worry is the curse of knowledge.

Is there a way to check that someone who has never coded in go, looking at a codebase, can intuit what the negative slice index does?

Other than that, if it's only literals as proposed, I guess that could work. But that's never something that truly bit me in my own code. Or at least I don't remember.

[zigo101]

Should slicing syntax also support negative indexes? Such as aSlice[0:-1]?

[dsnet]

I believe yes.

The original proposal said that:

s[:-1] is equivalent to s[:len(s)-1]

and I would assume aSlice[0:-1] is equivalent to aSlice[:-1].

Truncating off the last element is also a fairly common operation that I've personally needed to do (and yet another reason why slices function probably can't easily help with).

[doggedOwl]

Is there a way to check that someone who has never coded in go, looking at a codebase, can intuit what the negative slice index does?

it's familiar enough from other languages like python, ruby etc and it's one the main question for "why doesn't support" in languages that don't.
It's easy to remember and explain if you think of it as wrapping around.
and while i think this particular one is easy to intuit not everything should necessarily be easy to intuit, it's enough that it is clear and one search/spec consultation away.

[atdiar]

@doggedOwl not convinced. Searching python negative index and the first result is a stackoverflow question:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11367902/negative-list-index

In this day and age of advanced code completion, we could avoid having to explain this. len(s) - 1 is a common idiom for both beginners and more advanced programmers and does not require more mental resources to think in terms of wrapping.
Regardless of what other languages may have implemented.

Then again, just like how we have any instead of interface{}, that may work. But the latter is a bit more specific maybe.

[jimmyfrasche]

I thought about what the semantics should be for various library functions then realized I've written these things enough times and threw it all in a repo so I can use it later https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/jimmyfrasche/sidx I wouldn't expect most of that to be in std.

[Owyn]

Golang is supposed to be simple and concise, that was the idea as far as I know,
so I was rather baffled when I learned that it's not up to par with Python in the area of indices and still uses some low-level stuff like s[len(s)-1] instead of a simple s[-1] (which was super obvious and pretty handy in Python)

And about stackoverflow - I was using it pretty actively first year or so after I discovered programming as a kid, but now there's nothing to ask there for me, not because I know everything (😅), but because I discovered google and search function on that very stackoverflow,

and now looking at the absolute most of questions there it seems obvious to me that those questions are asked by people who haven't even touched any kind of a "tour" for the language they are asking their questions for,

and I doubt that after learning something new and handy - they were disappointed about the learning curve or anything like that, because personally when I discovered negative indices in Python I was happy to learn about them and then use them instead of cumbersome low-level constructions of calculating length minus 1