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Restricts Manta to RP_MODE servers #7006

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@Zonespace27 Zonespace27 commented Dec 26, 2021

[Removal] [Input Wanted]

About the PR

This PR removes Manta from rotation on goon1/2.

Why's this needed?

Manta is plagued with issues that don't make it a great map for classic-tier antagging and crew action for a variety of reasons:

  • Reinforced walls and electrified windows everywhere
  • Maint tunnels are tiny and linear, defeating their main purpose (hiding crime)
  • The camera network is massive, allowing the AI and camera consoles to see pretty much anywhere.
  • The Armory and AI core are possibly over-defended, as they're both next to each other, and dead-center of the station.
  • The movement of the Manta does nothing but hinder crew who fall off and the Nukeops (whose jetpacks don't block movement)
  • The shields are... kinda pointless? They're just really annoying.
  • The singularity is extremely close to escape.

In addition, I have heard many complaints from classic players about manta in general, which encouraged me to make this PR.

Why should it stay on RP_MODE servers?

In addition to people (generally) seeming to like it on RP:

  • It has a very cool theming that lends itself to RP well
  • Some departmental areas (RD's office, bridge, security are a few) are very well built and look good for RP.
  • It has a few gimmicks (Unique alarm message, movement) that can work well on RP

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(*)Manta is now restricted to goon3/goon4.

@keywordlabeler keywordlabeler bot added E-Input-Wanted Input and feedback are wanted. Also posts a discussion thread on the forums. C-Removal Removal of an existing feature labels Dec 26, 2021
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ThatFiveGuys commented Dec 26, 2021

Minor correction "Reinforced walls and electrified windows everywhere (this one has been partially rectified)", that pr got closed so that is false

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Minor correction "Reinforced walls and electrified windows everywhere (this one has been partially rectified)", that pr got closed so that is false

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I can’t input on main but it is still off a lot on RP too. Manta is a very tight map, 2 wide hallways in a lot of locations.

I still think a lot of the critiques that you gave for main apply to RP also, as antags have an extremely huge uphill battle.

3 security officers can clear the entirety of manta maints in 30 seconds max

this limits RP crime to two areas, the civilian section (just because it’s a weaker part of the map and forgotten about) and off-station (which is made significantly more difficult due to manta’s movement)

While this PR only focuses on its removal from main, I do think it’s removal from RP should be considered (atleast for >45 pop)

Security officers on RP have to give antags leeway, but when antags are walked into on a 10 minute basis because there is nowhere to crime, it is significantly more difficult to RP much of anything as compared to other maps

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I don't know if we want it either

@github-actions github-actions bot added the size/XS Denotes a PR that changes 0-9 lines, ignoring generated files. label Dec 26, 2021
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Created discussion thread: https://forum.ss13.co/showthread.php?tid=17761

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Pali sniped me >:(

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@Zonespace27 Zonespace27 deleted the bye-manta branch December 26, 2021 22:47
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