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What does lunatic mean? #4

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tyt2y3 opened this issue Nov 20, 2020 · 12 comments
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What does lunatic mean? #4

tyt2y3 opened this issue Nov 20, 2020 · 12 comments

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@tyt2y3
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tyt2y3 commented Nov 20, 2020

Out of curiosity, why do you name the library as lunatic? This is totally one of the FAQs!

@bkolobara
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I was originally working on a programming language that compiled to Lua, so I named it Lunatic. Later I decided to target my own runtime that I called LunaticVm.

In the end I ended up with an actor based language agnostic runtime, but kept the original name. Even it does not have any connections to Lua anymore.

@tuxiqae
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tuxiqae commented Nov 20, 2020

Would you consider changing the organization's name from lunatic-lang to just lunatic?
The former sounds like it's still a language while it seems that your plans have changed.

@bkolobara
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I believe the name was taken, otherwise I would have gone for the simpler version.

@tuxiqae
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tuxiqae commented Nov 20, 2020

True, what about Lunatic-VM or LunaticVM?
Lunatic-Actor is also available, although I'm not a fan

@tyt2y3
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tyt2y3 commented Nov 21, 2020

How about LunaticMachine, LunaticRuntime or LunaticWasm?
Just my two cents

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sleipnir commented Dec 8, 2020

LunaticRT or LunaticVM?

@bkolobara
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I have decided to settle on "lunatic-solutions" in the end and also acquired the domain http://lunatic.solutions/.

@tuxiqae
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tuxiqae commented Jan 16, 2021

Looking good!
Congratulations!

@shawntax
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shawntax commented Feb 8, 2021

Lunatic [loo -n uh -tik]

noun

  1. (no longer in technical use; now considered offensive) an insane person.
  2. a person whose actions and manner are marked by extreme eccentricity or recklessness.
  3. a person legally declared to be of unsound mind and who therefore is not held capable or responsible before the law: a former legal term.

You should be aware that anyone who struggles or has struggled with mental illness, along with disability advocates, will may find the current name of this project offensive and ableist.

@bkolobara
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Hi @shawntax, thanks for sharing your concern. I didn't intend to offend anyone with the name, I simply picked it because it originated from the latin word for moon and sounded catchy.

We are an inclusive community and welcome everyone; no matter their background or disabilities. I hope the name doesn't stop anyone from joining or using the project.

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shawntax commented Feb 9, 2021

Hiya @bkolobara, thanks for responding. I fully believe you have no bad intentions. But regardless of your intent, the fact remains that "lunatic" is an offensive ableist term, potentially offensive to some of those who struggle with and/or care deeply about mental health and the stigma of mental health issues in society.

I'm coming from an American, English-speaking perspective. The offensiveness of the word is mostly baked in to its older, out-of-style usage. But even its origin from the Latin luna meant "affected with periodic insanity dependent on the changes of the moon". So there's really no way to separate the connotation of insanity.

I know it can be difficult and frustrating to hear this, especially after already investing in a domain and all that. And I'm not a member of your community, so basically as an internet stranger my voice doesn't carry much weight. I'm here only because this repo came up on my GitHub activity feed and it just raised my eyebrow so much that I had to say something.

EDIT: I've updated an instance of the word "offensive" to "ableist", and added a small qualification that not all mentally disabled people will find the term offensive (as TarrenHassman pointed out). But as Lydia X.Z Brown writes in the Glossary of Ableist Phrases:

...many of the words and phrases on this page are not considered slurs, and in fact, may not actually be hurtful, upsetting, retraumatizing, or offensive to many disabled people. They are simply considered ableist (the way that referring to a woman as emotionally fragile is sexist, but not a slur). You're not automatically a bad or evil person/activist if you have used random language on here, but if you have the cognitive/language privilege to adjust your language, it's definitely worthwhile to consider becoming more aware/conscious of how everyday language helps perpetuate ableist ideas and values.

If you stand by your code of conduct and truly care about building an inclusive community, then you would consider linguistic ableism as a valid concern here.

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TarrenHassman commented Feb 9, 2021 via email

@lunatic-solutions lunatic-solutions locked and limited conversation to collaborators Feb 14, 2021

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