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Thanks @DD4WH - I will follow with interest! Also interested in your DIY approach discussed in #11, please keep me in the loop. Best |
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I asked some experts in bird recording, they recommend this one --> https://de.rode.com/microphones/videomicntg . But it is really expensive, costs 240€. It has a high pass filter which can be usefull for bird recordings and also a special kidney form characteristic.It can be attached to any tripod. I plan to install the RPI also on the Tripod including some self made accumulator and place it in the forest for some hours. |
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Here is my current Microphone, i can really NOT recomment it, it hast a lot of noise resp. bad SNR.It has cost 3€ in China. |
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Other suggestions for Microphones? |
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There seems to be a misconception about the difference between omnidirectional microphones (most Lavalier mics, electret capsules like the one mentioned above in this thread etc.) and directional mics (cardioid, supercardioid, hypercardioid, shotgun mics). Let me explain why I think there is no advantage of using directional mics for the specific purpose of detecting birds with BirdNET-system based on a Raspberry-Pi: Imagine two mics placed in the field, one DIRECTIONAL MIC (maybe a shotgun mic) and one OMNIDIRECTIONAL MIC (like the lavalier mic mentioned above):
So, in summary, a directional mic is NOT more sensitive to the frontal direction than an omnidirectional mic. [please note that it is different with parabolas!]
If you ask an ornithologist (I am an ornithologist, BTW), she/he will recommend a directional mic for field work in situations where you have control over the direction of your mic and can actively point the mic to the bird AND your main interest is a good and clean recording of ONE bird species. BUT: this is not the case in BirdNET-system:
MY RECOMMENDATION FOR a mic in a BirdNET-system:
LISTEN HERE FOR SOME of my RECORDINGS MADE WITH THE EM272 (each capsule costing about 15$): But your mileage may vary and your goals might be totally different in using the BirdNET-system, so use whatever microphone and USB interface you want to. But please report your real life results and experience here rather than speculations how a specific mic might perform with BirdNET ! :-) |
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@DD4WH: Thanks for the excellent writeup and suggestions. Much more clear now! Will definitely check out the EM272. |
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What about the absolute values? I mean the SPL sensitivity, this where the first values i tried to compare before i asked some "experts". The dB polarplots are always nomalized to 0db. The basic question is clear --> what has the best radius where the birds can be heared. UPDATE: Found this on the rode datasheet: -26 dB re 1V/Pa (50mV @ 94dB SPL) ± 1dB @ 1kHz |
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Found a German page the Edutige EIM-001 and also the Rode videomic is recommended. https://oagstrenzfeld.wordpress.com/beitraege/vogelstimmen-aufnehmen-fuer-einsteiger-april-2019/ https://www.edutige.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/EDUTIGE-Catalog-09-2020_ENG.pdf |
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BirdNET-system also works in STEREO out-of-the-box! Thanks Patrick, for this nice feature! For the moment, the solution in the first post in this thread has proved very reliable and produced nice results! That is what I tested and can recommend. Probably it will work with any cheap USB audio interface available and the lavalier mics based on the EM272. I would not trust so much other lavalier mics available on the internet (if you did not thoroughly test them or you have a reliable data sheet with a figure of the self-noise at hand). |
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Hi there, |
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So after the BirdNET system seems to be very stable, i want to work on the sound quality for the recordings. So far i have been using a UGREEN External USB Sound Card Adapter (Type CM477) which works perfectly, and a AGPTEK Lavalier microphone type (AC02B) seems also all right. The first microphone (cheap chinese) had a very loud hum and on secondary inspection a faulty ground connection at the capsule. |
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Found some tips for the microphonation: https://www.audubon.org/news/a-beginners-guide-recording-bird-vocalizations |
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Primo EM272M Special Version - improved RF Noise Protection A new capsule exclusive to Micbooster with vastly improved RF Noise suppression. Incorporates new circuitry to make the capsule much more resistant to RF noise from Wi-Fi devices, cell phones and other equipment which generates radio frequency interference. |
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@DD4WH I downloaded an audio file of yours, but can't remember the link. It was good enough that amplification via software of the sound wave didn't show obvious signs of noise (low noise floor). Could you link to one of your audio files recorded using the latest setup you recommend? Clippy Mic (EM272M, TRS) => UGREEN Audio Interface (C-Media HS-100, TRS) => Cable Creation's USB Extension Cable => Raspberry Pi 4 |
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Hello, I would like to share my experience because it was really difficult to find an inexpensive and good sound card with a stereo input. |
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Great project, even better community. Thanks to you all, I got my birdNET-Pi up and running. The only thing which really bugs me is the buzzing and humming I cannot get rid of when connected via any AC/DC adapter with the very old webconference microphone I had in a drawer. When I am using a power bank, there is no noise at all. I suspect the mic's cable shielding is terrible. Hardware setup: I also have a RODE VideoMic Me-C (which I use with the Merlin App or BirdNet App when in the field, usually), If I use the Me-C (Audio Card set to FTR, neither microphone works with Audio Card set to |
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Did you try this kind of audio cable noise filter? This stops EMI and RFI.
https://www.amazon.com/VSKEY-Anti-interference-Telephones-Equipment-Appliances/dp/B075G2P5SW
Le dim. 17 mars 2024 à 23:00, æ ***@***.***> a écrit :
… Great project, even better community. Thanks to you all, I got my
birdNET-Pi up and running. The only thing which really bugs me is the
buzzing and humming I cannot get rid of when connected via any AC/DC
adapter with the very old webconference microphone I had in a drawer. When
I am using a power bank, there is no noise at all. I suspect the mic's
cable shielding is terrible.
Hardware setup:
Raspi 4B 4 GB
USB extension cable
UGREEN USB soundcard (C-Media HS-100B chipset, EAN: 6957303837243 -
currently on sale for below 6 €), TRS connector.
Sigma CM 20 microphone (with TRS connector)
Audio Card set to plughw:CARD=Device,DEV=0.
I also have a RODE VideoMic Me-C (which I use with the Merlin App or
BirdNet App when in the field, usually), If I use the Me-C (Audio Card set
to plughw:CARD=MeC,DEV=0, using a USB C OTG adapter to connect it to the
same setup as above) there is basically no humming, so I am relatively sure
it's the microphone - or rather, the cable - itself.
FTR, neither microphone works with Audio Card set to default, for some
reason. If I connect them both, I can even switch between them by changing
the audio card. But together or alone, pulseaudio does not seem to
recognise each of them, which I find curious.
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These are interesting just clip on the cable to the microphone?Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 19, 2024, at 3:25 AM, croisez ***@***.***> wrote:
Did you try this kind of audio cable noise filter? This stops EMI and RFI.
https://www.amazon.com/VSKEY-Anti-interference-Telephones-Equipment-Appliances/dp/B075G2P5SW
Le dim. 17 mars 2024 à 23:00, æ ***@***.***> a écrit :
Great project, even better community. Thanks to you all, I got my
birdNET-Pi up and running. The only thing which really bugs me is the
buzzing and humming I cannot get rid of when connected via any AC/DC
adapter with the very old webconference microphone I had in a drawer. When
I am using a power bank, there is no noise at all. I suspect the mic's
cable shielding is terrible.
Hardware setup:
Raspi 4B 4 GB
USB extension cable
UGREEN USB soundcard (C-Media HS-100B chipset, EAN: 6957303837243 -
currently on sale for below 6 €), TRS connector.
Sigma CM 20 microphone (with TRS connector)
Audio Card set to plughw:CARD=Device,DEV=0.
I also have a RODE VideoMic Me-C (which I use with the Merlin App or
BirdNet App when in the field, usually), If I use the Me-C (Audio Card set
to plughw:CARD=MeC,DEV=0, using a USB C OTG adapter to connect it to the
same setup as above) there is basically no humming, so I am relatively sure
it's the microphone - or rather, the cable - itself.
FTR, neither microphone works with Audio Card set to default, for some
reason. If I connect them both, I can even switch between them by changing
the audio card. But together or alone, pulseaudio does not seem to
recognise each of them, which I find curious.
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yes. and for a such low price, give it a try !
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… These are interesting just clip on the cable to the microphone?Sent from
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Did you try this kind of audio cable noise filter? This stops EMI and RFI.
https://www.amazon.com/VSKEY-Anti-interference-Telephones-Equipment-Appliances/dp/B075G2P5SW
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> Great project, even better community. Thanks to you all, I got my
> birdNET-Pi up and running. The only thing which really bugs me is the
> buzzing and humming I cannot get rid of when connected via any AC/DC
> adapter with the very old webconference microphone I had in a drawer.
When
> I am using a power bank, there is no noise at all. I suspect the mic's
> cable shielding is terrible.
>
> Hardware setup:
> Raspi 4B 4 GB
> USB extension cable
> UGREEN USB soundcard (C-Media HS-100B chipset, EAN: 6957303837243 -
> currently on sale for below 6 €), TRS connector.
> Sigma CM 20 microphone (with TRS connector)
> Audio Card set to plughw:CARD=Device,DEV=0.
>
> I also have a RODE VideoMic Me-C (which I use with the Merlin App or
> BirdNet App when in the field, usually), If I use the Me-C (Audio Card
set
> to plughw:CARD=MeC,DEV=0, using a USB C OTG adapter to connect it to the
> same setup as above) there is basically no humming, so I am relatively
sure
> it's the microphone - or rather, the cable - itself.
>
> FTR, neither microphone works with Audio Card set to default, for some
> reason. If I connect them both, I can even switch between them by
changing
> the audio card. But together or alone, pulseaudio does not seem to
> recognise each of them, which I find curious.
>
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Thanks I certainly will!Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 19, 2024, at 8:55 AM, croisez ***@***.***> wrote:
yes. and for a such low price, give it a try !
Le mar. 19 mars 2024, 13:33, SharonD214 ***@***.***> a écrit :
These are interesting just clip on the cable to the microphone?Sent from
my iPhoneOn Mar 19, 2024, at 3:25 AM, croisez ***@***.***> wrote:
Did you try this kind of audio cable noise filter? This stops EMI and RFI.
https://www.amazon.com/VSKEY-Anti-interference-Telephones-Equipment-Appliances/dp/B075G2P5SW
Le dim. 17 mars 2024 à 23:00, æ ***@***.***> a écrit :
> Great project, even better community. Thanks to you all, I got my
> birdNET-Pi up and running. The only thing which really bugs me is the
> buzzing and humming I cannot get rid of when connected via any AC/DC
> adapter with the very old webconference microphone I had in a drawer.
When
> I am using a power bank, there is no noise at all. I suspect the mic's
> cable shielding is terrible.
>
> Hardware setup:
> Raspi 4B 4 GB
> USB extension cable
> UGREEN USB soundcard (C-Media HS-100B chipset, EAN: 6957303837243 -
> currently on sale for below 6 €), TRS connector.
> Sigma CM 20 microphone (with TRS connector)
> Audio Card set to plughw:CARD=Device,DEV=0.
>
> I also have a RODE VideoMic Me-C (which I use with the Merlin App or
> BirdNet App when in the field, usually), If I use the Me-C (Audio Card
set
> to plughw:CARD=MeC,DEV=0, using a USB C OTG adapter to connect it to the
> same setup as above) there is basically no humming, so I am relatively
sure
> it's the microphone - or rather, the cable - itself.
>
> FTR, neither microphone works with Audio Card set to default, for some
> reason. If I connect them both, I can even switch between them by
changing
> the audio card. But together or alone, pulseaudio does not seem to
> recognise each of them, which I find curious.
>
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Best one I tested (more than 10 different types) is still |
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Thanks this is far better that the one I had before!Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 23, 2024, at 2:50 PM, Carsten ***@***.***> wrote:
Best one I tested (more than 10 different types) is still
Boya BY-LM40 USB-Lavalier-Mikrofon
excellent Mic :-D
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Greetings to the brain trust. A year or so ago I saw a project (Hackaday or some such) about someone using a MEMS mic array to create a location grid of where the birds were on their property. I was wondering if that was a fork of this project or if anyone else had heard of it. Currently building a birdpi for my lovely wife who is all about the birds. |
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This is actually a pretty comprehensive sensor package for the price.
I at this point, this would get her up and running while I play with
my own setup and the MEMs mic setup as that technology progresses.
Thanks for the heads up.
kw
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Greetings to the brain trust. A year or so ago I saw a project (Hackaday or some such) about someone using a MEMS mic array to create a location grid of where the birds were on their property. I was wondering if that was a fork of this project or if anyone else had heard of it. Currently building a birdpi for my lovely wife who is all about the birds.
This is actually on my to-do list to make an open source project that does this sound triangulation and sound classification (like the infamous Shot Spotter but more general). I have even designed a circuit board for making a single point 4 mic array but it's probably going to be a year before I get anything out.
It's a well studied problem with books and academic papers and commerical products, but not a lot of open source work.
For now:
http://opensoundscape.org/en/latest/tutorials/acoustic_localization.html
And this might be the hackaday you mentioned:
https://hackaday.com/2023/12/30/localizing-fireworks-launches-with-a-raspberry-pi/
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Well, wouldn't the data for the mems just be metadata? In other words, you
get the recording from a single, high quality mic, but then extract level
data from the mems? Would just need 4 values to consider with the audio
file.
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Its a hard task. Ive played around with it but there are quite a lot
variables in play. I have stations that record with timecode but its hard
to calibrate everything. BirdNET detection isnt that reliable. Eg. I am
monitoring one single species with a confidence threshold of 70%, one
station detects the sound, other detects with 65% and data is instantly
unreliable because it doesnt count the sound as a detection. When I lower
threshold, I get a lot of junk data. Right now I am focusing on gathering a
lot of sounds in order to build a new model for a certain species. Maybe it
helps. Whole idea is automated system so I wouldnt have to label files
manually.
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Try out the Boya BY-LM40 USB-Lavalier-Mikro |
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A suggestion for a USB microphone is this one: https://duurzamedealtjes.nl/products/staande-microfoon-usb |
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Hi,
it seems it is difficult to find good and reliable mics for using with BirdNET-system.
I would like to share a working setup with high performance that is used by many users:
UPDATED on April, 24th, 2022
In summary, this setup will give you good performance for a total cost of about 90$ (including the USB extension cable and postage)
Best regards, Frank DD4WH
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