More user friendly access to setting pages on Taranis #1608
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I understand your point. It currently takes 12(or 13) presses of the PAGE button to circumnavigate all model screens. It takes 9 key presses (1 long and 8 short) to circumnavigate all Radio Setup screens. |
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@Scott-Page maybe what you are missing is that the advantage would be the same as the table of contents of a book. |
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The only advantage I see to this is to allow the user to see the options they can get to. In reality.. the number of 'clicks' will be the same. If not possibly 1 more than it currently is! |
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The number of clicks needed to reach a functionality is not necessarily a measure of usability. I agree that having an additional optional menu to select the page from with (+)(-)(ent) would be a nice addition! |
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ER9X has been going that way lately - and trying it reminded me of why I didn't like the submenu approach of other radios and loved these firmwares' way of doing it: a TOC is good, but the thing you're looking for is never in the category you think it should be in. And going in and out of menus until you find it is much more annoying than just scrolling until you get there, IMO. |
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So nice issue/wish here :) I must say I prefer menus as we have now, but I am used to use it often.
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Why not! |
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Thought about it for several hours. I really like mhotar's idea. The more I consider it the better it strikes me. It seems to me to be an elegant solution. |
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Looks pretty cool indeed! Maybe as an option... Personally I prefer seeing the screen contents which instantly tell me if it's the right thing or not, rather than icons that never tell the full story... |
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Thinking little more about this top level menu, It starts to make sense to me. [Menu] Brings up the Top Level Menu (Controls: +/- Enter ) [Menu-Long] Can be used as the shortcut to Model Setup pages While being in the submenu pages(in edit mode-with icons menu closed), you can use [Menu] to open top icon list again and switch by +/- Enter, or use [Page] to fast switch through pages with menu-auto-hide feature. It can give us all we need for both sort of users. Let me do some graphics ....... |
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[Page]/[Page long] should probably just work the way it is now and not invoke the menu bar at all. I'm sure I'm not the only one that would be annoyed by the bar coming up for half a second when moving in the traditional way through the pages. Suggestion: Make the auto hide time adjustable [0 - 1000]ms, 50ms steps, with 0ms meaning that the bar is not invoked with [Page] at all. Impatient users can turn it then completely off or benefit from it by setting the value to just a very very short glimpse that is long enough to keep the bar up between rapid clicks to [Page]. |
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Well, my first idea was just a table of contents that shows the list (loud and clear characters, if I dare say so, not icons) of the 13 model setting pages or 8 radio setting pages in order to let the user know exactly where the hell the page he is looking for can be and to allow him to select it from this TOC. |
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Right, It is always better to have higher goals ;) |
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Lets take look to the near future of the Opentx 2.2.0 :)
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Mhotar, Looking fantastic. I really like your idea of the ICON-menu as it is much faster to navigate, even for experienced users. And if it could be set to not show at all. Well we all win. Above graphics look awesome is this an early version of the screen for the FrSky Horus (colour thouch-screen). It will be a killer Tx for sure. About the icons on the colour screens. I am aware that same coloured icons maybe look better, but for quick reference there is nothing like colour differentiation between icons. That is why I am using the old icon pack in Companion, I think they are much quicker to navigate. So although I think it looks awesome, I think an option to use colour-icons would be a great alternative. Good work guys. |
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Excaliburst, thanks for your comments. The Horus screen is draft only, focused mainly to layouts. There are no color layers simply because It is better to do it at the very end of the process. It has been already agreed with Bertrand that we will do It skinnable. You are right, one icon-set cannot suit everyone :) It will be also better to match colors to the real LCD as soon as someone will have Horus sample in his hands. |
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Not all icons are done, but some progress here. |
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Finally I have finished icon-set for taranis, here it is: |
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Looking great! Well the best way to find out if they actually work as intended is to see what people 'interpret' them as. So that is what I am going to do.
Second line:
Please comment about how close I am to your meaning of each icon, and what all the icons mean. Then it is easier to actually give you feedback. Also looking forward to seeing the screen of the Horus. Ups I just saw that this was for the Taranis. Can that be true? The screen proportions are more like the Horus, and the Taranis has no colour. Must be a mistake. Please enlighten us!? Great work - thanks |
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Hello Excaliburst, thanks for your answer.
Great idea, lets walk trough it then.
=Radio setup
=File browser
=Global functions, lightning represents power, some kind of action here. Broken circle around means its global state, it is similar like Functions icon below.
Well, there are two persons on the icon, it represents their relation, one is white, second is black.
=Switch test
=Analog test
=Hardware configuration
=Calibration, icon represents pointing to the center of the circle
=Model selection
=Model setup
=Heli setup
=Flight modes
=Curves
=Logical switches
=Special functions
=Telemetry
=Custom scripts - this is regular LUA logo
=Global variables
So, you were not far sometimes, I am happy there will be textual name too.
This is sort of presentation only, only icons are related here. |
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Thanks for clearing the uncertainty up with the icons. With their meanings known, I think your icons are really well thought out and beatifully crafted. I only have comments about a few icons:
I like the rest of them a lot. Thanks |
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Thanks for your feedback Excaliburst. |
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Hello, @Excaliburst
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Hmm. Model Selection is excellent Sorry most of them are not as good as in your first attempt. But this is only my opinion - Cheers! Morten Enevoldsen Tlf: +45 4098 0898 2015-01-27 15:55 GMT+01:00 Martin Hotar notifications@github.com:
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Ok thanks, |
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Those icons are really nice! |
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Comments about my last change in the navigation? It feels bad to me (but perhaps because I am too much used to the previous navigation system). Please tell-me if I miss something! At least it will need a compilation option. |
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Yes, It is something different than we had before. Did you test it on the real LCD? How does it look? |
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Well, I forgot it already has history, it pre-selects last used items. |
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Haven't tried the current code, so I'm just guessing from the previous comment how it might work now.
Long press for navigation through visible icons would feel annoying. +/- would be intuitive and fast. |
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@Spainman Please give a try and update your comment, it doesn't help too much ;) |
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I find it a little harder to use. For example, old way, one long press menu would take me to radio setup and I could page through the screens . Now it takes short press menu and, depending on what my last selection was, multiple presses of + or - to get to the radio setup icon, press enter, and then I still need to page through the screens. Of course I'm used to the old navigation and have lived in a command line for 50 years so I'm more impressed with efficiency and simplicity than aesthetics. I'm also not sure it actually solves the original complaint of this issue, which was that you needed to remember where the screens were, or page through them to find the one you needed. This way you either need to remember what the icons represent or cycle through them with the +- keys to read the text and then press enter to actually go there (instead of already being there the old way). I can see the advantage of having a gui and icons on a touch screen where you can directly select the icon, or a system with a mouse and hover over help, but I don't really see the advantage on a key driven interface (particularly one without enough screen resolution to have text labels under the icons). To me it seems a little less efficient than a drop down list with the most recently used item selected. It seems to work, and is usable so it's just a matter of getting used to it. However, unless it makes it harder to maintain, a compile option to keep the old interface would be nice, especially if the new one consumes more resources. Jim |
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Here is still the first idea to consider. It does not change controls, and keeps all menus the same, only adds icons, so you can see how far is the page you are looking for. (Yo have to remember the icon meaning off course) [Menu/MenuLong] opens the model-setup/radio-setup, the same as usual |
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I hope that there will be an option to show or hide these icons. |
The icons are very nice, but to me they don't add anything to this type of interface and actually make it less efficient. As I said it would be different with a touch screen or mouse. However, if it worked the way you suggest it would be better than the way it is working now (which I'm sure is just a first start/demo). The existing page numbers (5/12) tell me where I am in the pages, and to me it's actually easier to remember the order of the pages than to remember the meaning of icons. You still have to walk the pages to get to the page you want (the icons would be nice with a touch screen), and if you aren't sure which page you are looking for you have less content visible on the pages to help you find it. And once there you either have to wait for the timeout or hit another key to dismiss the icons so you can use it. I know everybody seems to want a gui and icons these days (even if the interface isn't designed for it) and thinks anything without icons is old fashioned . If it worked the way mhotar suggests (not change the controls and Page/PageLong walk through pages the way it does now) it would be usable by everyone, but I still think a NOGUI compile option (selectable in companion) would be a good idea for those of us that prefer efficiency over bling. Jim |
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I like these icons a lot but would also prefer it as an option As I see, there is enough room for 8 icons on the top line : So I would suggest : If you select a menu with more than 8 screens, for instance Model Setting menu, then display the first 8 icons in one screen and the next 5 icons in another screen that you select with [page]. And use [+/-] to walk through each page with icons That would save a certain number of clicks in my opinion |
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If you are the kind of user who doesn’t change his settings every day, it can be hard to remember the shortest way to jump from a setting page to another.
When you are not sure, you would probably choose to explore only one direction until you find the page you want (let’s say down because PAGE-short is easier than PAGE-long), which might need to press twelve time the key if the page finally revealed to be the next up. It’s a long journey.
And even if you remember that GLOBAL VARIABLES page is #9/13 and FLIGHT MODES is #4/13, you still have to deal with this deeply disturbing question: “Would I better long press PAGE five times or short press PAGE eight times?”
OK, I am pushing it a little but you get the idea.
It would be nice if, when you press MENU (short or long) from the main view, you got not directly the first page of settings (model selection or radio setup) but an intermediate layer that displays the list of the pages. Then you could easily and rapidly select the page you want with +/- keys and ENTER (in addition, + key is more convenient than PAGE-long).
Also, it would be more consistent with what is generally understood by ‘menu’ (i.e. you expect a list of items, not the first item of the list).
Once on the page you want, of course, you wouldn’t lose the possibility to jump to an adjacent page on pressing PAGE-short or long, while pressing EXIT would bring you back to this new menu screen (and EXIT again to get back to the main view).
I guess the reason why it is done like it is done today is to give a direct access to MODEL SELECTION because it is supposed to be the most often used setting (and may be the same logic has been symmetrically applied on the radio setting side). In my proposal, you need one more key press to access this page. No big deal but I would suggest that, in order not to lose this direct access from the main view, another key be used. May be EXIT to go to MODEL SELECTION would make sense (and EXIT-long for RADIO SETUP to keep the symmetry although I am not sure that such a direct access to RADIO SETUP is so useful).
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