w3id.org dns seems to have < 1 year to go #81

danbri · 2015-05-07T10:18:30Z

If this is meant to last perpetually, shouldn't its dns be prepaid for decades rather than months?

msporny · 2015-05-07T13:42:48Z

Yes, we intend to do that. It hasn't happened yet for two reasons:

We didn't want to pre-buy for decades until it was clear that the website would be useful to other people. It seems to be gaining traction, but I'm not sure we're there quite yet.
We're waiting on funds from a non-profit to pre-buy the domain and SSL certificates. That is, unless Google would like to make a donation to make that happen sooner. :P

akuckartz · 2015-05-07T14:23:23Z

I am more concerned about the live expectancy of the organization behind webid.org. As long as it is alive it will be able to ensure that the domain is paid in regular intervals. And if it dies it then would not even be able to ensure that the other side of a contract does what it was bound to do.

I think it would be more important if webid.org users could automatically be notified by a dead man's switch in case webid.org dies or the domain is not paid in time.

perma-id · 2015-05-07T14:32:25Z

(oops - this was from @halindrome)

I agree that this is a concern. But let's not over think it. Domain
registration is very inexpensive. I am sure it is set up to auto-renew.
Manu has some funding ideas in mind. If people are really worried, I would
be happy to kick in $100 and pay for the next ten years.

I DO like the idea of some sort of dead man's switch. I wonder if there is
some free domain registration monitoring service that people can use to
give some peace of mind?

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I am more concerned about the live expectancy of the organization behind
webid.org. As long as it is alive it will be able to ensure that the
domain is paid in regular intervals. And if it dies it then would not even
be able to ensure that the other side of a contract does what it was bound
to do.

I think it would be more important if webid.org users could automatically
be notified by a dead man's switch in case webid.org dies or the domain
is not paid in time.

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prototypo · 2015-05-07T15:20:16Z

Hi all,

Well, the entire point of w3id.org http://w3id.org/ is that there are many organizations involved. It is true that the DNS registration is a well-known Achilles heel, in that one organization oversees it.

So, I do not worry about the life expectancy of “the organization”, but we do need to ensure that the DNS is paid. I’ll pay it if necessary. I’m sure others would, too.

Regards,

Dave

http://about.me/david_wood

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I am more concerned about the live expectancy of the organization behind webid.org. As long as it is alive it will be able to ensure that the domain is paid in regular intervals. And if it dies it then would not even be able to ensure that the other side of a contract does what it was bound to do.

I think it would be more important if webid.org users could automatically be notified by a dead man's switch in case webid.org dies or the domain is not paid in time.

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msporny · 2015-05-07T15:38:07Z

Hey all,

I'm going to take care of this today. It's the last existential issue left wrt. w3id.org, so let's just fix it. Here's what I'm going to do:

Transfer the domain from namecheap to gandi.net.
Buy 10 years worth of registration for the domain.
Setup all the w3id.org admins as account admins for the DNS.

That should take care of this perceived problem.

To be clear, the problem was never money or institutional longevity. It was time and making sure the money was coming from the right source (a non-profit, so that we didn't need to dip into our personal bank accounts).

At this point I've spent far more time explaining to people why this isn't a problem than it would've taken to just fix the issue. So, I'm fixing the issue now. :)

prototypo · 2015-05-07T16:11:36Z

Thanks, Manu!

Regards,

Dave

http://about.me/david_wood

On May 7, 2015, at 11:38, Manu Sporny notifications@github.com wrote:

Hey all,

I'm going to take care of this today. It's the last existential issue left wrt. w3id.org, so let's just fix it. Here's what I'm going to do:

Transfer the domain from namecheap to gandi.net.
Buy 10 years worth of registration for the domain.
Setup all the w3id.org admins as account admins for the DNS.
That should take care of this perceived problem.

To be clear, the problem was never money or institutional longevity. It was time and making sure the money was coming from the right source (a non-profit, so that we didn't need to dip into our personal bank accounts).

At this point I've spent far more time explaining to people why this isn't a problem than it would've taken to just fix the issue. So, I'm fixing the issue now. :)

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danbri · 2015-05-07T16:25:46Z

Thanks!

Maybe we should make a buddylist of people burdened with long-lived semweb related namespace domains, and keep in touch to ensure the relevant DNS situations are remain healthy?

Dan (xmlns.com-owner-victim since 2000:)

kidehen · 2015-05-07T21:42:39Z

We can make BuddyList Group right now, and right here, via responses to this comment. Simply use Nanotation to get this going. Initial salvo:

{
<>
a schema:WebPage ;
rdfs:label "Buddy List re. W3ID" ;
rdfs:comment """
Describes group of folks behind W3ID.
"""@en ;
schema:author https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about#this ;
dcterms:created "2015-05-07T17:40:00-05:00"^^xsd:dateTime ;
dcterms:modified "2015-05-07T17:45:00-05:00"^^xsd:dateTime ;
xhv:license http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/deed.en_US .

<#BuddyGroup>
a foaf:Group;
foaf:member <#i> ;
is schema:about of <> .

<#i>
a foaf:Person ;
foaf:nick "kidehen" ;
foaf:name "Kingsley Uyi Idehen" ;
owl:sameAs http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/id/entity/https/github.com/kidehen,
http://kingsley.idehen.net/datapace/person/kidehen#this, https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about#this ;
is schema:about of https://twitter.com/kidehen/ , https://plus.google.com/+KingsleyIdehen/about/,
https://github.com/kidehen/, <> .
}

If markdown is messing this up,just lookup: http://kingsley.idehen.net/DAV/home/kidehen/Public/Linked%20Data%20Documents/Nanotations/random-notes-about-w3id.ttl.

Scratch statement above, it works!

[1] http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/about/html/https/github.com/perma-id/w3id.org/issues/81? -- Basic Entity Description Page

[2] http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/c/9C44GMFQ -- Faceted Browsing oriented Page

[3] http://linkeddata.uriburner.com/c/9KPSIYX -- About BuddyList Group .

msporny · 2015-05-13T03:29:54Z

The domain transfer is now complete... no thanks to the old provider whose domain transfer page just so happened to have a glitch in it that caused the operation to take the maximum time allowed by the rules that govern registrars. Funny how often that happens.

I'll send out the new login info to the trustees of w3id.org soon-ish.

I also tried renewing for 10 years and got some strange error:

2306: Parameter value policy error 
2306: Parameter value policy error (maximum_registration_period_exceeded))

So, good job on sync'ing the front-end verification code w/ the back end verification code, guys.

I'll try renewing for a shorter timeframe tomorrow.

msporny · 2015-05-13T04:26:55Z

The w3id.org domain has been renewed for 9 years (the max allowable). The w3id.org domain expires on 2024-02-14 21:17:29

prototypo · 2015-05-13T10:39:02Z

Manu,

w3id.org http://w3id.org/ is down, and it appears to be due to DNS. DNS is resolving to the registrar.

Regards,

Dave

http://about.me/david_wood

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The w3id.org domain has been renewed for 9 years (the max allowable). The w3id.org domain expires on 2024-02-14 21:17:29

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scor · 2015-05-13T11:01:16Z

For me it shows a webpage saying "This domain name has been registered with Gandi.net"

msporny · 2015-05-13T12:41:51Z

Yeah, on it. I told Gandhi not to muck w/ the DNS - but it did anyway. 3 hour TTL... so it'll take a while for the domain to propagate since it's already being cached elsewhere on the net. The zone file is in place... we just need to wait for it to propagate.

msporny · 2015-05-13T12:43:27Z

I'd just like to point out the irony that our biggest downtime for the site to date, /by far/, was due to DNS issues as a result of us trying to ensure that the site wouldn't go away due to DNS issues. :P

danbri · 2015-05-13T12:44:52Z

:)

gotta get worse before it gets better? thanks for wrestling with this!

perma-id · 2015-05-13T13:11:36Z

Hi Manu,

I don’t think the zone file is necessarily correct. I flushed my local DNS cache and received the following results from dig. Note that www.w3id.org http://www.w3id.org/ and w3id.org http://w3id.org/ resolve to different IPs.

Regards,

Dave

http://about.me/david_wood

[[
Macadamia:~ dwood$ dig w3id.org

; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> w3id.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 33297
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;w3id.org. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
w3id.org. 10766 IN A 216.252.204.54

;; Query time: 2 msec
;; SERVER: 10.5.50.1#53(10.5.50.1)
;; WHEN: Wed May 13 09:09:24 2015
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 42

Macadamia:~ dwood$ dig www.w3id.org

; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> www.w3id.org
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 53734
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.w3id.org. IN A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.w3id.org. 10799 IN CNAME webredir.vip.gandi.net.
webredir.vip.gandi.net. 11090 IN A 217.70.184.38

;; Query time: 126 msec
;; SERVER: 10.5.50.1#53(10.5.50.1)
;; WHEN: Wed May 13 09:09:30 2015
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 82

Macadamia:~ dwood$
]]

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I'd just like to point out the irony that our biggest downtime for the site to date, /by far/, was due to DNS issues as a result of us trying to ensure that the site wouldn't go away due to DNS issues. :P

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msporny · 2015-05-13T13:16:30Z

Looking into it...

msporny · 2015-05-13T13:28:45Z

Ok, fixed... maybe - it takes a while for this stuff to propagate, so this time should work. I mistakenly set the IP to DB's public cloud instead of the Rackspace VM IP. Thankfully, @davidlehn fixed it shortly thereafter.

msporny · 2015-05-13T15:28:10Z

Post-mortem on this tragic thread is here: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-perma-id/2015May/0003.html

davidboweninrupt · 2023-10-18T13:24:52Z

Apologies for necroposting but as you already know this is coming up for renewal in a few months:

Registry Expiry Date: 2024-02-14T21:17:29Z

I'm quite sure you'll get notified and get it sorted.

This update was only to mention that Inrupt's systems are monitoring the TLS certificate and domain expiry for w3id.org. Our alarms will go off if it gets to less than 10 days.

(it looks as though Kingsley's buddylist didn't take off)

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