Could not input : on Japanese Keyboard

[kishida]

Could not input : on Japanese Keyboard

[kishida]

need COLON for https://github.com/ppeccin/WebMSX/blob/master/src/main/msx/controls/KeyboardKeys.js ?

[ppeccin]

Hello.
What exactly you mean? Do you have a ":" key on your keyboard and it does not input the correct character?
Can you please send a photo of the keyboard indicating the mentioned key?

Also there are 2 Japanese keyboard standards. Maybe you are using the wrong one?

For now, please use the Keyboard configuration in the Settings screen. You can map any key you need.
Please tell me if that solves the issue.

[kishida]

Yes, ":" is an independent key.
https://www.quora.com/How-do-computer-users-type-in-Japanese-What-is-the-general-typing-speed

But I will try the keyboard configuration.
Thank you.

[ppeccin]

It would help very much if we could find the key code for the corresponding ":" key in your keyboard!

[YamazakiYasuhiro]

the COLON is not on the definition of key name, but it's already on the configuration. Try to push a "Control" + ":" on your Japanese keyboard.
I've forgotten the COLON should be an isolated key or not on the actual MSX keyboard layout, though...

[fr3nd]

It's also not possible to type : on a Spanish keyboard either...

[ppeccin]

I see... Hey guys!

Can you help me with this? I don't know if I can make this work correctly, since I don't have access to Japanese or Spanish keyboards (only American and Brazilian). So I can't design a good default mapping for all languages.

Could you guys please test if every MSX key works right on the default mapping (on your host PC keyboard), I mean, if the MSX key is possible to type and is mapped to the expected key on the host PC keyboard. And for the keys that are mapped wrong or impossible to type, create the correct mappings using the keyboard setup screen?

If you can make everything work with a custom mapping, you then could to send your configuration back to me, then I can insert it on the emulator and make it the default for each language!

Could you please help me? That would be really great!

[fr3nd]

I think the problem is with the ; and :keys. Both characters in Spanish keyboard are typed with SHIFT pressed on. See this schema:

I'm not sure how to do the custom mapping with such key configuration..

[ppeccin]

I see.
But there is one thing we all need to understand here!

The keyboard of the emulator (the one that you can see on the configuration screen) is always the MSX keyboard. Since all machines on WebMSX are either English International or Japanese, we will never get a 1:1 mapping for other languages.

Just like for me, and my Brazilian keyboard. I cannot get a 1:1 mapping with the MSX keyboard, but I can map the keys that are more suitable and as close as possible to the MSX key, to make it easier to type. For example, on WebMSX, the MSX keyboard it emulates does not have dedicated "Ñ" or a "Ç" keys like we have in Spanish and Portuguese layouts. We must compose those characters using the DEAD key, as the International MSX requires.

So, if we understand this, we can see that only English and Japanese host keyboards will get a 1:1 mapping, at best. All other keyboard layouts will need to be just "approximate".

Then I ask you guys, please, to create a GOOD mapping for standard Spanish and Japanese keyboards, as close as you can get. It will never be perfect, but you can analyze and choose one key on your host keyboard that best represents each particular MSX key. You can even map the same MSX key to more than one key on the host keyboard. Make sure that you can type ALL the MSX keys, then we are good to go!

I did exactly the same for the Brazilian keyboard. Today WebMSX comes with default mappings only for Brazilian and English keyboards.

If you guys help me, we can create default mappings for other languages too! It would be very nice if we could have Japanese, Spanish and Dutch mappings included.

Thanks!

[fr3nd]

I thought the way the keyboard worked in WebMSX was like in OpenMSX, where every key maps to the MSX key despite the physical location on the keyboard.

For example, to type : you need to press SHIFT + , in the Spanish keyboard even though there is a physical key in the MSX keyboard. This looks like it's not possible to do in WebMSX, is it?

I'm also having trouble when creating a custom mapping. For example, I'm assigning the MSX key ; to the Spanish keyboard key Ñ and it works. However, if after that I assign the MSX key = to the Spanish keyboard key ¡, the previous mapping is deleted... Could that be a bug?

[ppeccin]

"I thought the way the keyboard worked in WebMSX was like in OpenMSX, where every key maps to the MSX key despite the physical location on the keyboard. " I don't know how it works on OpenMSX, but I suppose you mean that every CHARACTER on the host keyboard maps to a CHARACTER on the MSX, not the real KEYs, right? I can think of many scenarios where this "simulation" would cause trouble... Imagine you are on a game, and you press some key that would need Shift on the MSX. Then the emulator automatically press Shift on the MSX so it can "type" the correct character. But you just wanted to press that particular key, and not a key combination to enter some character... The simulated Shift press (or other modifiers) can activate other commands that are not desired on the software reading the keyboard. That could be easier to type TEXT, but its wrong in terms of KEYS being pressed, you see? I do not think its a good thing to change this behavior on the emulation. Yes, the physical symbol on some keys will be different on the host keyboard (if not English or Japanese), but it will be THAT real MSX key. Imagine operating an English MSX with a Russian keyboard... Much better to think that each key represents a real key on the MSX, because the Russian characters you will be seeing on your host keyboard do not even exist on the MSX... In WebMSX, it is really the KEY you are mapping, not the CHARACTER. You can map any key on your keyboard (or many) to each MSX key, regardless of the position on the keyboard. But it will be a real MSX key, and it will work with modifiers (Shift, Control, Code, Graph, Dead, etc) exactly the same way it would be on the MSX. So if a character on the MSX key must be typed with Shift, it will require Shift on WebMSX. "Could that be a bug?" Oh yeah, if you are losing your configuration, its a bug... Are you sure you're no switching back to other keyboard configs and starting over a new custom mapping? I will test this, and if that is really a bug, it will be fixed! Paulo

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[ppeccin]

New Release 5.0 will bring new default Host keyboard mappings. Countries supported for auto-detection: US, BR, JP, ES, NL, IT. Not all will fit perfectly, but it will be better and can always be customized by the user.