Meeting Agenda - 7 August 2019

[AlexEne]

Opening this for the new scheduled meeting.

[kvark]

Update on rspirv and associated topics.

[Lokathor]

keeping in mind that we're still 1.5 weeks away from the next meeting, topics of interest include:

• @Lokathor is nominated to mention any responses to the call for more libs to have a minimum supported rust version policy
• @Osspial is nominated to give any updates on raw-window-handle
• @Osspial is nominated to explain the status of winit releasing 0.20 (events loop 2.0) for those of us who haven't been fully tuned in to the process.
• @kvark is nominated to explain the status of gfx-hal releasing 0.3 to the rest of us. I was told by Viral that "within a month" was a possible expectation.
• @AlexEne is nominated to mention if they've had success experimenting with finding a large project that can break RLS and then setting it up as a test case
• @AlexEne is nominated to speak about progress on getting gamedev added to rust-lang.org
• I happened to see just now that @est31, who has been posting here a bit recenty, is in the RustAudio group, and if they have anything to say about Audio that'd be neat, since we've been really focused on just graphics so far.

[ozkriff]

A few topics I hope to discuss:

• Newsletter (https://github.com/rust-gamedev/wg/issues/35)
• Maintenance of http://arewegameyet.com

[Lokathor]

@ozkriff can you say a little more about what you mean by "Maintenance of http://arewegameyet.com"? What's in doubt, or needing to be discussed?

[ozkriff]

@Lokathor "games" section is fine, but "ecosystem" and "resources" sections don't look actively maintained atm to me.

Also, we may want to discuss relationships between https://rust-gamedev.github.io/ and http://arewegameyet.rs (some context: rust-gamedev/arewegameyet#110)

[Lokathor]

@AlexEne The 8th looks like a Thursday, did you mean to post this for the 7th (Wednesday)?

[AlexEne]

Fixed it :)

[Lokathor]

just after our meeting this was posted: rust-lang/rfcs#2495 (comment)

so it seems that there's a good chance of things moving a bit on the minimum rust version stuff.

[AlexEne]

I left a comment in our issue, I think we should make sure all things needed by the gamedev-wg (that seem quite basic ) are correctly addressed by that rfc.

This meeting's notes are:

• rspirv is moving along slow and help is needed.

• there's a high level GLSL based on the glsl parser presented a while back. (not yet on github)

• Minimum rust version. Our best chance is to push for this RFC: Gamedev libraries should be encouraged to use Minimum Supported Rust versions #28

• raw_window_handle is moving along
  github.com/RFC: Minimum Supported Rust Version rust-lang/rfcs#2495
  github.com/Remove RawWindowHandleEx rust-windowing/raw-window-handle#1
  github.com/Consider representing raw handles with an enum rust-windowing/raw-window-handle#4
  https://osspial.github.io/raw-window-handle/enum/raw_window_handle/windows/struct.WindowsHandle.html

• status of winit releasing 0.20 (events loop 2.0) for those of us who haven't been fully tuned in to the process: https://github.com/rust-windowing/winit/labels/Blocking%20a%20release

• gfx-hal almost at the point to release a new version. The only issue that's left is (help needed): More dynamic states gfx-rs/gfx#2905

• Let's try and have a conclusion on the math library thread.

• Subreddit or another reddit for gamedev discussions? (we have a thread on alternatives to github issues)

• Newsletter first post needs some work. I'd start with a template.

• State of the ecosystem PR. At least we have math explored.

• Some prototye on RLS breaker using python scripts was made, but not on github yet.

• Need to send emails to get some content for for the rust community website.

[est31]

@Lokathor thanks for the invitation but generally I've had the experience that the style that rust teams are run via meetings and appointments is not compatible with me. I've tried joining wgs/teams twice in the past and one big blocker was precisely that meetings problem.

Furthermore, the gamedev wg is part of the rust language organisation and interacting with this wg too closely would make me more vulnerable to harassment from people who hold power in that organization. I've been victim of such harassment in the past (they banned me for 6 months) and thus now I try to route my activities out of the reach of their powers. This is merely about self-protection and reducing the harm that their harassment can cause. My interests are aligned with this WG and I'll comment in issue threads here as well as work on projects that help the gamedev ecosystem but I never intend to join the WG or something. Thanks for your understanding.

[Lokathor]

Oh my. That's very unfortunate, but keep yourself safe.