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Change 'verboten' to 'prohibited' #19929

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@cllns cllns commented Dec 16, 2014

From: That said, sometimes, mutation is what you need, so it's not verboten.
To: That said, sometimes, mutation is what you need, so it's not prohibited.

I like the word verboten, but it could distract from the content, if the reader doesn't know what it means.

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Sorry, but I'm not interested in this kind of change. It's a style/tone thing, and someone may also not know what 'prohibited' means, either.

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cllns commented Dec 16, 2014

OK, that's fine @steveklabnik. To be honest, I didn't realize it's considered a real loanword: I thought it was purely German.

For the record though, I asked a few people if they know what 'verboten' means:

  1. A non-technical English major
  2. An actuary who went through part of the Rust guide last night
  3. A dev-ops engineer

Neither 1 nor 2 knew what it meant. 3 did, but they know a bit of German.

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It is purely German :D but I've also seen it quite some times in an english context. Much easier to pronounciate than "prohibited" and much stronger :)

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srh commented Dec 17, 2014

Anybody that has played Wolfenstein 3D should know what this means.

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Is it verboten to use verboten in english documentation? Using verboten shouldn't be verboten. 😸

tomjakubowski added a commit to tomjakubowski/rust that referenced this pull request Aug 4, 2015
Maybe a more suitable resolution to the issues raised in rust-lang#19929 and rust-lang#20439.
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tshepang commented Aug 4, 2015

@steveklabnik please revise your decision... a lot more people are going to understand prohibited.

As an aside, even more people are going to understand not allowed.

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Diggsey commented Aug 4, 2015

Verboten is listed in the english dictionaries I checked, and its meaning is obvious from the context here anyway. It even sounds a lot like "forbidden".

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tshepang commented Aug 4, 2015

@Diggsey Lots of words that very few people know are listed in dictionaries. In the case of verboten, are we missing anything that forbidden or prohibited doesn't give? I see more harm (fewer people know the word) than good (some people here like the word more).

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