Clarify: Taiwan is not a Province of China #32
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Well it's a political and ISO 3166 problem. But anyway we don't recognize Taiwan as a Province of China, so it would be really nice to remove the suffix from Taiwan. More info here: http://www.change.org/petitions/iso-central-secretariat-change-the-present-taiwan-province-of-china-to-taiwan
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Sorry @zhusee2, after a bit of debate, we've decided to stick with the ISO 3166 standard to try and remain as unpolitical about it as possible. |
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I understand the decision the team has made. However, I don't view this as a political problem. It's just ignorance of reality. 😄 |
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In my personal opinion, sticking with Province of China is the most political decision you can make on this issue. Taiwan in itself is plenty enough as its geographical and international representation/identification. I am sure everyone can recognize Taiwan with showing just Taiwan. |
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@RickCSong @RISCfuture I agreed that sticking with ISO 3166 is an easy way for developers, but please realize that it's not an unpolitical way. The truth is, Taiwan has its own political, postal, financial, and socioeconomic systems that is run independently. ISO 3166 standard is based on the data provided from UN, and due to historical reasons, Taiwan wasn't part of UN. I've contributed to some Square OSS projects, and therefore I've signed CLA before. I believe there's no one that fills "Taiwan, Province of China" to country field as no one in Taiwan would ever say or agree that Taiwan is a province of China. |
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I am pretty disappointed in the decision as well. As pointed out by the others, saying Province of China is a very political move. It's also very offending for Taiwanese people. Here's another way you can view this thing: how other people solve this problem? As a matter of fact, most websites does not list Taiwan as a Province of China. Check out the Google Map, Twitter (in the settings), Facebook (payment settings, address), and for the sake of the argument: even Paypal got this right. I hope the team could review this decision. Thanks. :) |
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As a fellow developer from Taiwan, I do understand that it would seem sticking with a well defined standard is the right way to go, and I do understand that you feel like the project have no part in any political issues. However, please make no mistake, and understand, that this particular standard is nothing like the technical specs we are used to depend on. On the contrary, not only the term IS highly political, the standard itself has always had a lot of political debates and strong political influences around it. In many cases, it does not reflect the reality. This is one of such cases. Being as "unpolitical" as possible, the reality is that for the past decades, we have been using our own currency, and we have voted for our own presidents. Labeling us in such way is not only ambiguous and confusing, but will also make us feel discriminated upon. Some people would even rather pick a random country than to select such label. On the other hand, the label "Taiwan" is as "unpolitical" as you can go. As the previous comment pointed out, most major websites DO use this label, and I really don't think Facebook or Google or Paypal is taking a political stand in this issue. I urge you to reconsider. |
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@RISCfuture @RickCSong Many open source projects received bug reports like this one, you might want to know how they deal with this "ISO 3166" problem: |
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What a bad move for closing the issue by doing nothing. The decision of keeping Province of China is certainly a political move. Agree with @itszero , most of others do use Taiwan as an option. Hope the issue can be reopened. |
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'Taiwan' as a geographical identification is much more neutral, as it does not have any political connotation. Please reopen this issue. |
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A common solution to this is using country codes from ISO 3166-1 along with entity names from the former FIPS PUB 10-4. The linked xls has an "APP B" sheet detailing all differences from ISO 3166-1 |
Clarify: Taiwan is not a Province of China
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Thank you all for your feedback and insight! In particular, @vinta for sharing the various approaches that others have taken in the past which helped better guide our decision. We originally thought that by sticking with the ISO, we'd be taking a "neutral/unpolitical" route, but this does not seem to be the case. Due to your feedback, we've decided on a stance much like FreeBSD and other major companies have and listed Taiwan as merely "Taiwan." We're deeply sorry for any offense we have caused and thank you all again for your understanding! |
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I'm a PRC guy, however I dislike the offensive description either. |
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Well it's a political and ISO 3166 problem. But anyway we don't recognize Taiwan as a Province of China, so it would be really nice to remove the suffix from Taiwan.
More info here:
http://www.change.org/petitions/iso-central-secretariat-change-the-present-taiwan-province-of-china-to-taiwan
Thanks!